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pbmus

(12,422 posts)
Fri May 15, 2020, 01:13 PM May 2020

We need to prepare for the possibility of Trump rejecting election results..

Since 2017, so many events in U.S. politics that were previously unthinkable have come to pass. Don’t believe me? A few days ago, the president of the United States baselessly accused a cable television host of murder and it barely made a blip in the news cycle. The shocking has become unsurprising — almost routine — under Donald Trump’s unhinged presidency.

We don’t know whether Trump will be reelected. But, as we head toward November, you have to ask yourself: If he loses, would it be more surprising if Trump graciously accepts defeat and congratulates his opponent or if he claimed to be the victim of a rigged election and a “deep state” plot?

The answer seems clear.

I’ve studied genuinely rigged elections across the globe. The tactics, context and strategies vary enormously from Azerbaijan to Zimbabwe. But one trait they have in common is this: The winner doesn’t claim they were rigged.

Not so with Trump. In 2016, when he narrowly defeated Hillary Clinton despite losing the popular vote by a historic margin, he claimed that 3 million to 5 million people voted illegally. That is a lie. But it raised an obvious question: If Trump claimed that an election he won was rigged, what will he do with an election he loses?

Already, he has insinuated that Democratic victories are the result of rigged elections. It’s part of a deliberate strategy to discredit the legitimacy of his political opponents, but it also endangers the peaceful transfer of power, which is a cornerstone of democratic government.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/14/we-need-prepare-possibility-trump-rejecting-election-results/

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We need to prepare for the possibility of Trump rejecting election results.. (Original Post) pbmus May 2020 OP
Possibility? He said as much in 2016. Would only accept the results if he won. sop May 2020 #1
I think... Mike Nelson May 2020 #2
Possibility? Probability. Doodley May 2020 #3
No we don't since we can simply ignore it. PoliticAverse May 2020 #4
Good article. FM123 May 2020 #5
Every time his armed supporters appear sarisataka May 2020 #11
I really don't buy the "disproportionately armed" argument in the article. Baked Potato May 2020 #17
So he rejects the results... sarisataka May 2020 #6
Yep jberryhill May 2020 #16
Thanks. stopdiggin May 2020 #18
+ struggle4progress May 2020 #24
Trump and all that he represents has JenniferJuniper May 2020 #7
A few years ago I a thread on DU stating that I thought another civil war was possible. redstatebluegirl May 2020 #10
It's not up to him. C_U_L8R May 2020 #8
If Biden wins the election, he will be sworn in on 1/20/21. Bleacher Creature May 2020 #9
Would be good to keep a weather eye out for Trumpies trying to recruit serious allies. Girard442 May 2020 #14
I absolutely, 100% agree. +1000 Bleacher Creature May 2020 #25
Bill Maher has asked this question repeatedly. Heartstrings May 2020 #12
The Secret Service. The Capitol Police. U.S. Marshalls. Girard442 May 2020 #13
they'd be turning away volunteers stopdiggin May 2020 #19
Entertainers be playing to their audience. n/t PoliticAverse May 2020 #22
Not concerned about that. He'll whine and stomp, but he'll go. Hoyt May 2020 #15
I'm willing to bet right now that is exactly what he does. BadGimp May 2020 #20
tough bigtree May 2020 #21
How would that work? All presidential power and procon May 2020 #23

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
4. No we don't since we can simply ignore it.
Fri May 15, 2020, 01:28 PM
May 2020

(I realize they might be hard for the some here that appear to hang on his every tweet).

FM123

(10,053 posts)
5. Good article.
Fri May 15, 2020, 01:28 PM
May 2020

The part that stood out and was the most disturbing was:

But with Trump, it’s dangerous. For years, Trump has pumped out a Twitter stream of endless victimhood complexes, bogus accusations against a mythical “deep state” lurking in the shadows and the mainstreaming of lunatic conspiracy theories. Those messages are aimed at a group of people that is also disproportionately armed.

sarisataka

(18,578 posts)
11. Every time his armed supporters appear
Fri May 15, 2020, 01:40 PM
May 2020

They are derided as overweight, uneducated cowards.

How would such a motley group suddenly become effective enough to reverse the results of the election and keep him in office?

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
17. I really don't buy the "disproportionately armed" argument in the article.
Fri May 15, 2020, 02:00 PM
May 2020

First, if you add in the firearms owned by “Independents”, Republicans don’t enjoy any kind of absolute dominance in firepower. Second, one would have to assume people would be willing to die for Trump. I don’t think many will sacrifice for Trump.

sarisataka

(18,578 posts)
6. So he rejects the results...
Fri May 15, 2020, 01:33 PM
May 2020

Where in the Constitution or other law does it state the sitting President has a the smallest role in approving the election results?

Accept it or not, if he loses he is no longer President next January 20.

stopdiggin

(11,295 posts)
18. Thanks.
Fri May 15, 2020, 02:05 PM
May 2020

the idea that the rest of the government (Supreme Court, Congress, States, Military) will fall in line in overriding an election .. is fanciful. Well, actually .. delusional.

JenniferJuniper

(4,510 posts)
7. Trump and all that he represents has
Fri May 15, 2020, 01:35 PM
May 2020

ushered in the very real possibility of civil war.

Let's face it; the last one never really ended. Whether Lincoln could have ended it, we'll never know. But it's still smoldering.

I don't know what form the violence will take, but at some point - perhaps not in my lifetime, but at some point - the Northeast and the West Coast may have to break away and forge something with Canada. Enough is enough.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
10. A few years ago I a thread on DU stating that I thought another civil war was possible.
Fri May 15, 2020, 01:39 PM
May 2020

Very few agreed with me, in fact a few called me an idiot for even thinking that way. I doubt they feel that way now.

C_U_L8R

(44,997 posts)
8. It's not up to him.
Fri May 15, 2020, 01:37 PM
May 2020

We all know he's going to go kicking and screaming in denial.
The Biden team should be prepared to evict.

Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
9. If Biden wins the election, he will be sworn in on 1/20/21.
Fri May 15, 2020, 01:39 PM
May 2020

Trump can rant all he wants to, but at that point he won't be President. I'd be worried if I thought the military or secret service would support him, but they (at least their leadership) are probably as eager to see him go as we are.

Trump frightens me in so many ways, but this isn't one of them.

Girard442

(6,067 posts)
14. Would be good to keep a weather eye out for Trumpies trying to recruit serious allies.
Fri May 15, 2020, 01:47 PM
May 2020

Unlikely, but good to be cautious.

Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
25. I absolutely, 100% agree. +1000
Fri May 15, 2020, 04:05 PM
May 2020

I honestly think he's too incompetent to execute any real takeover strategy, but I would NEVER put anything past him.

Heartstrings

(7,349 posts)
12. Bill Maher has asked this question repeatedly.
Fri May 15, 2020, 01:41 PM
May 2020

“What if he simply won’t leave the WH?” Whose “job” is it to remove him?

stopdiggin

(11,295 posts)
19. they'd be turning away volunteers
Fri May 15, 2020, 02:12 PM
May 2020

great story line for a movie .. Secret Service melts away during the night ... Rats scuttling. Dawn breaks on an echoing West Wing ...
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BadGimp

(4,013 posts)
20. I'm willing to bet right now that is exactly what he does.
Fri May 15, 2020, 02:22 PM
May 2020

The real question is what he does next and then what the GOP in the US Senate and the Federal Courts including SCOTUS do as a result.

My bet = $100.00 USD

procon

(15,805 posts)
23. How would that work? All presidential power and
Fri May 15, 2020, 02:41 PM
May 2020

Authority automatically transfers to the new president on inauguration.

We can certainly look forward to Trump having an epic meltdown of historic proportions. He will rage, threaten, intimidate, curse and demand all kinds of special treatment. He'll call upon his minions to honk their horns, wave there metallic penises, and protest with the best misspelled signs they can make. He will brag and boast and declare that he has any number of unconstitutional powers, which will settle him firmly as a fascist dictator... If he still had a country to dominate.

Once Biden is sworn in, the locks are changed, the name on the mailbox is new, and all his stuff is arranged in the bedroom closet. After that Trump is a trespasser in the WH, an illegal squatter. There's no doubt that Wh police will politely, but firmly, help Trump to find suitable public transportation to his next gig.

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