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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWoman behind 'Roe v. Wade' said in 'deathbed confession' that conservatives paid her to lie.
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Jane Roe, the plaintiff in the landmark 1973 Supreme Court ruling legalizing abortion, admitted in a deathbed confession that she faked her conversion later in life to oppose legal abortion.
Norma McCorvey, who died in 2017, became known as Jane Roe after suing for the right to get a legal and safe abortion in Texas, made the stunning confession in the upcoming FX documentary AKA Jane Roe, reported The Daily Beast.
This is my deathbed confession, McCorvey chuckles in the film.
Director Nick Sweeney asks whether the evangelical movement used her as a trophy, and McCorvey agrees she was the big fish, but admits she also got something out of the arrangement.
I think it was a mutual thing, she told the filmmaker. I took their money and they took me out in front of the cameras and told me what to say. Thats what Id say.
Im a good actress, she added. Of course, Im not acting now.
More at the jump:
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/woman-behind-roe-v-wade-said-in-a-deathbed-confession-that-conservatives-paid-her-to-lie-about-her-conversion/
That answers a lot.
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RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Changing one's story again?
I thought this documentary was going to herald her as a "pro-life" (anti-choice) warrior or some such thing, but whatever.
stopdiggin
(11,242 posts)Umm hmm .. reaches over and changes channel ..
On the other hand .. the idea that this ever had anything to do with a single person or character ... That's all geared toward the third grade crowd anyway.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Its okay maam. Many young women and unwanted children will suffer for your acting.
sellitman
(11,605 posts)Because it's the truth.
So sad.
montanacowboy
(6,080 posts)filthy dirty repukes and those that take their filthy money
dalton99a
(81,392 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,313 posts)🤬
Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)That's why it's so hard to start grassroot movements against conservatives.
SamKnause
(13,087 posts)Everyone can not be bought.
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)EVERYBODY has a price.
I have a price.
You have a price.
Obama has a price.
Pelosi has a price.
Trump has a price.
The Pope has a price.
The exact amount is the only thing that's uncertain.
Harker
(13,976 posts)I have nothing to sell... nothing I want.
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)Only you know what it is.
Harker
(13,976 posts)Aristus
(66,286 posts)It's just that there's no one on Earth with the scratch to pay it.
Hekate
(90,552 posts)DIVINEprividence
(443 posts)However, to be fair, our legislative process is set up that way, horse trading and deal making to build majority coalitions. Not a perfect system perhaps but it is the what it is. This is why idealists cant make it as politicians because we all have a price as you say
Grins
(7,195 posts)Ms. Toad
(33,992 posts)that they have been bought - or those who acknowledge they they have a price obviously have prices.
But you really can't know whether anyone else has a price or not.
hunter
(38,302 posts)That should make you happy.
Whenever I have too much money I give it away to someone who needs it. My wife and I are currently sending a lot of money to our local food bank and relatives who have been furloughed by the pandemic.
I suppose I could be driving a Tesla, but I'm partial to $1000 used Toyotas.
If someone gave me a new car, any kind of new car, I'd give it away like a hot potato to someone who cared.
Seriously. I don't want to support the world or national economy. This thing we call "economic productivity" isn't productivity at all. It is in fact a direct measure of the damage we are doing to our planet's natural environment, the environment that supports us all, and our own human spirit.
Maybe you are talking about "prices" other than money, but that always ends up as some bullshit language of violence, destruction, and mayhem.
Somebody paying the "ultimate price" for their nation, blah, blah, blah.
If fewer people were stupid nationalists, or racists, or violent religionists, that shit wouldn't happen.
lame54
(35,262 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)stopdiggin
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Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)Is that a mean-spirited comment? Your sarcasm tag does nothing to hide that evil dig, which is unwarranted. Very off base and a very pollyanna attitude to think every community is going to be manageable.
Here, where I live, the things that define my opinion were wrapped up in a lawsuit that won a developer two million dollars from this city, and another three million from attorneys that he identified because he felt they interfered with his vested rights. They did. His lawsuit would explain how the community leaders played dirty and the City wasn't exactly stellar in following best practices. In fact, the lawsuit would show how they did quite a bit of their promises outside of the public view, through contracts that were forced negotiations because of previous lawsuit--or through private conversations made with the City Attorney.
What the lawsuit revealed was a social network that tipped the scales into conspiracy and business interference It was an interesting lawsuit to read. Exactly the kind of mean spirited behavior you would expect to find when a group of "community leaders" saw profit in kicking out a developer. What they were trying to do, would not have been a selfless venture. In addition, what they did required a massive misinformation campaign in order to mount support in their favor. Much in the same way that Trump defames people, these people were character assassinators against anyone that stood in their way.
Both Republicans and Democrats were involved, because, where there's money, people get induced. In fact, one of the main Democratic leaders of this attempt to commandeer private land tried to run for office in a primary against an incumbent Democrat. His platform was not a typical Democratic one. This was not an ideal situation, having one kind of Democrat running against another kind of Democrat. The challenger was a chamber-of-commerce style Democrat, which is to say, as close to a Republican as someone can get. His friends, that helped "spread his story" in the community, were Republican. Steny Hoyer and Nancy Pelosi tried to see if he was interested in steering his ambition to another seat and he accused them of bribing him! He provided fodder for right-wing paper. What kind of real Democrat does that? He would only get two percent of the vote.
And I got to see, first-hand, how a good ole boy community operates. I tried to get involved, starting with ex-commissioners who knew the problems and tried to address the situation through a Charter Review update, which was legally mandated. Much like Trump's style, the City ignored proper government process and did not tend to the review when it should have. So someone else in the community began a grassroots attempt to update it, and I was asked to join.
After a few promising meetings, one of the "civilians" showed me the problem we're faced with. Hey, he said. I can no longer come to the meetings because the City has offered to turn my building into a city historical landmark. See that? That's how it works around here. At least he explained why he was dropping out. Most people just get "induced" and start to avoid me. I never know why, until gossip comes my way to give me some background.
In the end, our citizen-generated Charter review was co-opted by the city and the good ole boys in the community. In fact, it was already co-opted when they came to ask me for my help. I just didn't know it. One of the main good buddies of the community was banking us, which really only consisted of buying a dozen binders and paper so we could be on the same page, going line-by-line through the Charter and all of us knew which statements were being revised, and why.
None of it would matter in the end. They tossed the old charter out, and adopted a completely new one that I imagine worked better for the City, and the good ole boy usual suspects, and made it harder for community grassroots movements.
And that was just one experience of many.
It would really be kind if you show you understand that my opinion was based on very painful experiences that continually get repeated. Just say that you respect my experiences, even if you don't agree with my conclusions.
hunter
(38,302 posts)They will even reassure themselves with the delusion that "everyone has a price."
Ronald Reagan would do or say anything for a blow job.
Jimmy Carter would not.
Whoever can't be bought, the Republicans, the "Chamber of Commerce Democrats" and the good old boys will attempt to destroy.
Besides the usual racism, the fact that Obama couldn't be bought or blackmailed drove the Republican Party bat shit huffing insane.
Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)Every day you have to find a way to control your anxiety level when your kids go to school because you just dont know what these people are capable of, until you do.
hunter
(38,302 posts)Maybe we choose the level we're comfortable playing on; of resisting.
When I confront some kids painting gang graffiti on my back wall I don't go all Dirty Harry on them. I don't even call the cops. (Not that they'd come out for something so trivial...)
I do use my "teacher" or "dad" voice however, a survival skill that was hard won first when I was teaching, and later when I had my own children.
Everyone here is anxious for their children. It's one reason parent's are supportive of school uniforms in elementary and middle schools, and strict high school dress codes. No parent wants their kid to suffer violence for wearing the "wrong" clothes, not even parents who ARE gangsters.
I'm intensely aware that the "good old boys" in some communities are just another sort of gang. When I was age 16-26 I did a lot of rough travelling and saw some truly scary shit. My wife and I didn't travel nearly so rough when we had children yet we still witnessed some scary stuff. (I wouldn't pick exclusively on the South either. There are places here in California that thoroughly reek of white good old boy corruption.)
The U.S.A. has never been the nation it purports to be. We've always ignored certain sorts and certain levels of corruption, even romanticizing it, while falsely comparing ourselves to "first world" nations that suffer much lower levels of corruption.
Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)That's a fact. I'm only interested in cataloging the corrupt society that I have observed, here in Central Florida. Because simply put, it is backroom community that steals our American dreams.
UpInArms
(51,280 posts)Some truly are principled and would not ...
Do you think Greta would sell out?
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)I didn't say she'd come cheap but even Greta has her price.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)And it's complete arrogance to think you do.
Cartaphelius
(868 posts)it arrogant to assume to know what others know and
them based upon your assumption judge them by
your standards....
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)I'm perfectly capable of forming an opinion of someone who proceeds to think they know something about a person without even knowing that person. If that makes me arrogant than so be it. Personally, I see it as having enough humility and decency to actually wait until I truly know a person before making a blanket statement such as "everybody has a price."
In other words, I see it as the opposite of arrogance. It's an admission that you don't automatically know things about a person you've never met..
Cartaphelius
(868 posts)so you can tell it however you like.
But that means, "your story", once shared, personally
endorsed and self-justified, becomes, itself a "whatever"
story relevant only to yourself as you are the only one
living in your head.
Thanks for posting though. Nice to see Trump logic
applied and demonstrated through your pretzel logic
lens.
stopdiggin
(11,242 posts)I think you had a thought there .. for a moment.
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ret5hd
(20,482 posts)Youve told us what you are, now lets negotiate.
I remember that one, and it's quite apropos to this discussion.
paleotn
(17,881 posts)And according to the reichwing, he's got more money than a Bond villain.
But I do get your point. My counter point is some folks would have a difficult time living with themselves and will renege sooner or later.
quakerboy
(13,916 posts)What would Greta do for a true policy to reverse climate change? Its a steep price, to be sure, but there are precious few that dont have some sort of "price". Not all costs are in dollars, nor are they all purely personal gain. Be it our family, friends, community, pet project, ideological goal, etc.
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)That is a sure way of appeasing conscience when one does something wrong.
betsuni
(25,376 posts)That's ridiculous. There are plenty of other things to be greedy about, everyone's a little different that way.
The idea that everyone is politics can be, or is, bought is absurd. Don't know what the goal of saying everyone is corrupt is. I guess just to make young people cynical and feel helpless and angry.
DBoon
(22,340 posts)superpatriotman
(6,246 posts)"money money money money...MONEY"
PA Democrat
(13,225 posts)AKA Jane Roe is a portrait of Norma McCorvey, the Jane Roe whose unwanted pregnancy led to the 1973 case that legalized abortion nationwide, Roe v. Wade. The documentary unravels the mysteries closely guarded by McCorvey throughout her life.
Considered too divisive and unpredictable by many in the pro-choice movement, McCorvey stunned the world in 1995 when she switched sides to crusade against her own case, as an anti-abortion firebrand.
Norma McCorvey died of heart failure on February 18, 2017, at the age of 69. Now, in never-before-seen final interviews, McCorvey gives a startling deathbed confession. In candid one-on-one interviews, filmed across the last year of her life, McCorvey reveals the truth behind her astonishing story. Also featured are friends of McCorveys and key figures from both sides of the abortion fight.
Behind the sensational headlines and furious public debate for and against abortion lies the enigmatic Texas woman whose case started it all: Norma McCorvey.
https://www.fxnetworks.com/shows/aka-jane-roe
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,307 posts)no exception.
paleotn
(17,881 posts)Their whole death cult is based on lies.
magicarpet
(14,119 posts)... and cheat some more.
Fuck Jesus even though you profess to be a devout follower. Lie and cheat behind his back,.. because deep in your heart you know you could give a sweet fuck about Christians,.. your only concern is to advance your Fascist agendas over society.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)God wants fascism. Therefore, anything and everything to that end is A-OK.
niyad
(113,052 posts)nycbos
(6,034 posts)BamaRefugee
(3,483 posts)LymphocyteLover
(5,636 posts)Warpy
(111,140 posts)and shop it out to other outlets.
I always thought her conversion smelled funny and now I'm proven correct. It was sudden and just a little too thorough.
She had a tough life, the USSC decision coming too late for her and causing her to endure forced pregnancy and childbirth. Scars from that are deep, painful, and last a lifetime.
At least it's out now and proving once again how corrupt and morally bankrupt the "Christian" far right is now and always has been.
You know, like we already didn't know from personal experience with them.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,164 posts)KWR65
(1,098 posts)It will open your eyes to the charlatans of religion.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)dreamland
(964 posts)I doubt she'll get past any one of them based on what she did and how it affected countless numbers of people.
demmiblue
(36,823 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,142 posts)She was with her partner, Connie Gonzalez, for 35 years.
Captain Zero
(6,783 posts)Shut up or be quiet.
But I'm not sure everyone has a price to take a diametrically opposite view and espouse it.
RobertDevereaux
(1,847 posts)She died in February 2017.
The documentarian waited until now to reveal this.
niyad
(113,052 posts)0nirevets
(391 posts)Very hard to get my head around this story.
irisblue
(32,928 posts)She was a real piece of deeply disfunctional work.
Source--https://web.archive.org/web/20150112062558/http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2013/02/norma-mccorvey-roe-v-wade-abortion
PunkinPi
(4,874 posts)Ligyron
(7,616 posts)What am I missing here?
This woman got abortion legalized, why all the hate? The good she did far outdid a fake "conversion" nobody with half a brain cared about or even suspected was real. I'll admit, I need to go back and read up on this as maybe I'm jumping the gun here replying.
Still, for those who are so principled they imagine themselves resisting all temptation, given the right set of circumstances do you truly imagine yourselves immune?
What if somehow you ended up dead broke through no fault of your own and your husband, wife or child needed an operation only the filthy lucre would pay for?
Anybody who would allow a significant other to die, perhaps painfully, rather than fake a religious conversion has their priorities a bit out of wack IMHO.
hunter
(38,302 posts)Our society doesn't give a damn if certain people die of hunger, homelessness, or lack of appropriate medical care.
A just society wouldn't ban abortions.
A just society wouldn't tolerate an "everyone has their price" ethos.