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demmiblue

(36,838 posts)
Sat May 23, 2020, 11:51 AM May 2020

'I had to choose being a mother': With no child care or summer camps, women are being edged out of..

When parents can’t do it all, women’s paid labor is often the first to go

If day cares closed because of the novel coronavirus, Aimee Rae Hannaford expected her family to fare better than most. She worked full time as the chief executive of a tech company while her husband stayed home. He’d been taking some time off from his own tech career, managing a rental property while considering his options. He could look after their 3-year-old son, she thought — at least for a while.

“That lasted a grand total of three days,” Hannaford said.

Once her son was home full time, she realized they’d need a different solution. She was holed up in the guest room, wielding dual-monitors at her desk. Her husband was exhausted. “I can’t do it,” she remembers him saying: “I can’t watch him for this long.”

Hannaford, 46, had been logging 70-hour weeks for years — and she was proud of the work she’d done. When she started her career in San Francisco, she was one of two women at a video game company, buying nondescript jeans and hoodies so she could be “one of the guys.” Eventually she came to run a company she co-founded, building open-source websites for clients like Stanford University. Hannaford, who oversaw software development, co-led a diverse team of 13 employees. She was intentional about hiring women, minorities and others who challenged the stereotypes about Silicon Valley.

https://www.thelily.com/i-had-to-choose-being-a-mother-with-no-child-care-or-summer-camps-women-are-being-edged-out-of-the-workforce/?fbclid=IwAR2ly86prcjuEcAQqkEJPi82QhIzusMqpm33G3R_d89oSHOp2JN1kyKTljM
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'I had to choose being a mother': With no child care or summer camps, women are being edged out of.. (Original Post) demmiblue May 2020 OP
No person should have to work 70 hour weeks. Throck May 2020 #1
Nobody forced her. Igel May 2020 #14
A person like her is driven by a need to accomplish goals. Blue_true May 2020 #30
How come the husband can't do it; it's not like every 50s housewife treestar May 2020 #2
And every 60s, 70s, 80s, etc. stay at home moms too Ohiogal May 2020 #5
true. My mother did it during the treestar May 2020 #6
I know, right? Ohiogal May 2020 #7
They could move is Idaho and both could stay home easily jimfields33 May 2020 #9
One of my husband's CA colleagues moved to Idaho & has experienced severe culture shock... Hekate May 2020 #19
I would imagine it would be a culture shock for sure jimfields33 May 2020 #23
Idaho needs no more Californians jmowreader May 2020 #25
I remember a male doctor wrote about being patronizing about mothers who claimed exhaustion-- dawg day May 2020 #10
He's too busy "considering his options." SMC22307 May 2020 #12
Don't know. Igel May 2020 #16
True that treestar May 2020 #34
+1, wtf "I can't do it" ... make a plan and follow it or something look it up on the internet uponit7771 May 2020 #35
Coronavirus is not the problem in this example. It's the husband. WhiskeyGrinder May 2020 #3
Yeah, he doesn't seem helpful. nt Blue_true May 2020 #31
"Can't do it." Blecht May 2020 #4
Exactly! smirkymonkey May 2020 #18
+ 1 musette_sf May 2020 #20
"Can't do it." - - HA, I bet he didn't complain about MAKING the child. Talitha May 2020 #26
Looks like she has two three year olds to raise. Prosper May 2020 #8
As a former (and I guess current again) stay-at-home dad EarlG May 2020 #11
Life occasionally throws us lemons snowybirdie May 2020 #13
Hope Hannaford & her husband Baker, hears this soon irisblue May 2020 #15
One three yr old is a piece of cake. What a whine. LizBeth May 2020 #17
So many Twitter responses to this story... demmiblue May 2020 #21
Example: demmiblue May 2020 #22
I don't think these were low paid. Tech is a gold mine. jimfields33 May 2020 #24
Probably collecting ppp. boston bean May 2020 #27
Tech workers of the class that she employed are not lowly paid in San Francisco. Blue_true May 2020 #32
"I can't watch him this long"... lazy %$#&! Demovictory9 May 2020 #28
And who wants to bet rusty fender May 2020 #29
Either that or he is a hiding misogynist. Blue_true May 2020 #33
Lol! nt ecstatic May 2020 #36

Throck

(2,520 posts)
1. No person should have to work 70 hour weeks.
Sat May 23, 2020, 11:55 AM
May 2020

Is it worth it? People need family and leisure time to enjoy life. 70 hour weeks are a way to ruin your health.

Igel

(35,296 posts)
14. Nobody forced her.
Sat May 23, 2020, 03:07 PM
May 2020

She was one of the cofounders. Presumably she identified with the company and her investment of time, sweat, and gold.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
30. A person like her is driven by a need to accomplish goals.
Sat May 23, 2020, 07:42 PM
May 2020

They often don't understand what that cost their family until it is too late.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
2. How come the husband can't do it; it's not like every 50s housewife
Sat May 23, 2020, 11:58 AM
May 2020

did not do that and more and with more than one kid.

Ohiogal

(31,963 posts)
5. And every 60s, 70s, 80s, etc. stay at home moms too
Sat May 23, 2020, 12:07 PM
May 2020

I did it with 3 kids while we lived on a teacher’s salary

jimfields33

(15,763 posts)
9. They could move is Idaho and both could stay home easily
Sat May 23, 2020, 12:19 PM
May 2020

It’s much much cheaper then San Francisco. Just selling their house could last a lifetime there.

Hekate

(90,633 posts)
19. One of my husband's CA colleagues moved to Idaho & has experienced severe culture shock...
Sat May 23, 2020, 03:25 PM
May 2020

They know no one else who thinks as they do. While school was still in session, their kids had to watch every word they said.

One set of parents lives close enough to visit (and now she delivers groceries to them). They expected to be able to work remotely and afford the house of their dreams. But he got laid off as soon as Trump was elected because his boss could see the tariffs coming, so now it's just her salary in an uncertain world.

And did I mention the culture shock of moving from coastal California to Idaho?

jimfields33

(15,763 posts)
23. I would imagine it would be a culture shock for sure
Sat May 23, 2020, 04:50 PM
May 2020

I just think as more Californians move to Idaho and other states, they will behin bringing in some culture and life devoid of these states.

jmowreader

(50,552 posts)
25. Idaho needs no more Californians
Sat May 23, 2020, 05:16 PM
May 2020

They are adding no value to the area. Rather, they are forcing prices up to the point the natives can’t afford to live here anymore.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
10. I remember a male doctor wrote about being patronizing about mothers who claimed exhaustion--
Sat May 23, 2020, 12:20 PM
May 2020

After all, how hard was it taking care of little kids! They're portable! They have to do what you tell them!

Then his wife was hospitalized for some necessary surgery, and he was stuck at home with just one child... and he wrote penitently that he understood.

My mom had 5 children and a home job much of the time (seamstress). Of course, with that many kids, the older kid (me) do a lot of supervision. (My siblings did all survive, at least.)

This woman should tell her husband that if he won't do childcare and commit fully to it, he should go out and get a job to pay for a nanny.

What a turd.
After this article, I suspect he's going to be even more passive-aggressive!

Igel

(35,296 posts)
16. Don't know.
Sat May 23, 2020, 03:19 PM
May 2020

I remember the '60s and '70s, when I was growing up.

Mother worked. But even when she was home, I often self-entertained. There were woods nearby, a few blocks in two directions until anything close to a "major" street (one lane each direction). There were days I'd leave at 9 am and come back at 1 pm, eat, and vanish until it was dark. I mean, once my friend and I hopped on our bikes because we were bored. We biked 35 miles in one direction, ate lunch, turned around and came back. (No, didn't tell parents where we went. We were 14. Our parents shrugged, and then said, "Really?&quot

There were other kids around, we'd hang at their house or my parents', play games in the street or swim or climb trees. An adult was never far away. It was seldom the case that an adult actively supervised us. Often an adult would come out, sit and drink or eat something while we played. Not sure if they were actively monitoring or just outside or liked watching us.

Can't do that now. Can't let kids out of the house without supervision. Must provide structure for their every waking moment.

On the other hand, I see the neighborhood kids and they act much like I behaved, when I was their age. Except that now I live where the outside temperature and humidity would kill Superman, instead of more temperate climes. And I know it's not just my street because HS kids where I work are encouraged to post video (to provide social bonding during a time of social isolation) and their videos show groups engaged in activities outside (can't call it "playing" these days).

It doesn't help that new subdivisions have fairly large main thoroughfares adjacent to them, and people assume that the 35 mph sign is a suggestion--perhaps during a foggy snowstorm when the road's covered with ice and it's night with construction.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
34. True that
Sat May 23, 2020, 09:07 PM
May 2020

We were like that too and the baby boom assured a lot of children our age in the subdivision. Parents were not afraid of kidnapping and so on the way they are today - not that they don't have reason to be afraid of it.

Also the other adults who saw you doing something stupid could correct you without getting into trouble themselves. The parents supported teachers who disciplined their children.

Further back, my father grew up in a small town where they all knew each other, the entire town was their playground and any adult in town could get them in line if they caught them doing anything stupid. On top of that, dad could take letters to the post office for his mom, go to the market for her, walk to school or even the movie theater or library or the park and she could feel he was safe (and his siblings likewise).

Toddlers still had to be watched and maybe even more so. They didn't have as much baby proofing. "I just had a baby" was an all purpose excuse any woman could use to get out of anything!

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
18. Exactly!
Sat May 23, 2020, 03:24 PM
May 2020

She works 70 hours a week and is the breadwinner and he can't even take care of ONE kid for more than three days in a row? He's pathetic. She should cut him loose and get a nanny. He's just dead weight. What is he contributing?

Talitha

(6,581 posts)
26. "Can't do it." - - HA, I bet he didn't complain about MAKING the child.
Sat May 23, 2020, 06:29 PM
May 2020

What a wimpy little shit.

EarlG

(21,942 posts)
11. As a former (and I guess current again) stay-at-home dad
Sat May 23, 2020, 12:32 PM
May 2020

I agree with everyone in this thread who thinks the husband is a useless wanker.

Three days, dude — really?

snowybirdie

(5,222 posts)
13. Life occasionally throws us lemons
Sat May 23, 2020, 01:06 PM
May 2020

So many young parents think there will always be progress and forward movement. As long as they plan well, life will be perfect. Unfortunately, that's not true. Younger people need to teach themselves flexibility and patience. Illness, job loss and economic downturns are always with us. Be willing to compromise and downsize if necessary. You'll be a much more content person. P.S. That shit of a husband who didn't want to care for his one small child can be tarred and feathered, as well!

irisblue

(32,961 posts)
15. Hope Hannaford & her husband Baker, hears this soon
Sat May 23, 2020, 03:17 PM
May 2020
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/21/860091230/pandemic-makes-evident-grotesque-gender-inequality-in-household-work


Pandemic Makes Evident 'Grotesque' Gender Inequality In Household Work
May 21, 20202:26 PM ET


Podcast & transcript are at source.

demmiblue

(36,838 posts)
21. So many Twitter responses to this story...
Sat May 23, 2020, 03:43 PM
May 2020

saying she should hire a babysitter or a nanny. Hello, dumbasses... why do you think people are staying at home?!

Privileged responses.

demmiblue

(36,838 posts)
22. Example:
Sat May 23, 2020, 03:55 PM
May 2020


How are people so clueless? Probably because they don't value lower paid workers... they seem disposable to some.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
32. Tech workers of the class that she employed are not lowly paid in San Francisco.
Sat May 23, 2020, 08:00 PM
May 2020

My guess is her and her employees are heavily hooked into VCs (Venture Capitalists). My guess is all of them will do ok in the long run.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
33. Either that or he is a hiding misogynist.
Sat May 23, 2020, 08:02 PM
May 2020

I can't help but feel that she could have selected a better spouse to begin with.

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