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Bernardo de La Paz

(48,988 posts)
Sat May 23, 2020, 04:34 PM May 2020

Here's how I look for Covid-19 spikes, outbreaks, and blowups


I compare daily new cases (detected) and divide that by the number of active cases (detected), using data from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ though other sites data can be used too.

1) Only active case cases can infect.
2) Detected cases / deaths are proxies for actual cases / deaths (some unknown multiplier).

This will find second waves in places that have a lot of recovered & dead cases.

On worldometers Yesterday button (for a complete days worth of data) I can sort the Active Cases column and then run down the New cases column looking for states/countries where the new cases is higher than nearby ones in the list. Then I can do the division on a few prominent states/countries found that way.

The US as a whole is running about 2% by that ratio, which is rather good and an indication that the PEOPLE are taking big precautions -- no help from the federal government.

When it gets to about 5%, that is a bit alarming. Texas has been running about 5%, and going by yesterday's figures, Louisiana is about 5%. Tennessee about 7%.

10% is a genuine outbreak. North Carolina, Mississippi, Wisconsin are about 9-10%. Minnesota is high, has been over 10% for a while.

Brazil is running about 15% and is blowing up on its first wave. Mexico is over 20%.

Ideally the data is smoothed by 3 day or 7 day running averages because there are jumps and dips that are from effects like weekend vs weekday.

Daily New Cases divided by Active Cases, as a percentage.

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Here's how I look for Covid-19 spikes, outbreaks, and blowups (Original Post) Bernardo de La Paz May 2020 OP
But Brazil and Mexico are hot countries OnlinePoker May 2020 #1
The claim is "worse" transmission in warm climates. Igel May 2020 #10
North Carolina has a huge outbreak of RED NECKS! BComplex May 2020 #2
Sounds like the people in Ohio samplegirl May 2020 #4
"If it was only them" is such an unfortunate state of affairs. Few will feel remorse. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2020 #7
We've turned into a nation of morons CanonRay May 2020 #12
Seems logical to look at the percentage growth. Buckeye_Democrat May 2020 #3
Yes, but the insight (I think) is to compare Active case, not Total cases Bernardo de La Paz May 2020 #9
Yes, very good points! Buckeye_Democrat May 2020 #17
The Germany figure may be an anomaly: the next day (now yesterday) it is only 273 new cases Bernardo de La Paz May 2020 #18
Thanks, that was so interesting...keep us posted!❤ Karadeniz May 2020 #5
Wow, you are a mathematical dynamo! BigmanPigman May 2020 #6
Big tip: click the Yesterday button (as you mention) progree May 2020 #8
What if you bracket out New York? The U.S. is probably higher than 2%... blitzen May 2020 #11
That would boost US ratio fr 2.2% to 2.7%. Not great but not as bad as some states / countries Bernardo de La Paz May 2020 #14
Thanks--good info! n/t blitzen May 2020 #15
Is the US 2% sans NY? NY Metro skews the numbers heavy. Quomo showed the graph this morning & it was uponit7771 May 2020 #13
NY ratio is only 0.6%. It has few new cases compared to a massive number of active cases. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2020 #16

Igel

(35,300 posts)
10. The claim is "worse" transmission in warm climates.
Sat May 23, 2020, 07:03 PM
May 2020

That means the prediction is that Mexico and Brazil will have lower transmission because of the temperature than they would if it were colder.

Given just that, the claim's not falsifiable. The only way to partially validate it is by comparison with colder climates (which lacks a control--all kinds of things change at once) or by setting up an experiment to see if you can get higher transmission rates by cooling the climate (which lacks ethics).

I guess if you compared rates for similar towns high up in the mountains (where it should be cooler) and down closer to sea level it could work. Or perhaps inland versus on the shore (with that nice onshore breeze during the day). Humidity wouldn't be controlled for, however.

BComplex

(8,036 posts)
2. North Carolina has a huge outbreak of RED NECKS!
Sat May 23, 2020, 04:52 PM
May 2020


They're running around not wearing masks, and talking about how awesome trump is, and how the inflated numbers are the democrats' way of trying to destroy his presidency.

If it was only them who were getting sick, I would be fine with that. But my husband works retail for an essential service, so he's out there every day serving these dick heads.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
3. Seems logical to look at the percentage growth.
Sat May 23, 2020, 04:53 PM
May 2020


And even if they're sometimes "isolated cases" like at a prison or a meat-packing plant, they're still outbreaks for that state or country.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,988 posts)
9. Yes, but the insight (I think) is to compare Active case, not Total cases
Sat May 23, 2020, 06:19 PM
May 2020

Everyone, including the media is focused on the total number of cases. But many of those are recovered or dead. They won't be infecting people any more.

So a place like India has only about 6,500 new cases a day these days and if you compare that to total cases about 125,000, it looks not too bad, about 4% daily. But active cases are about 69,000, so the New to Active ratio is over 9%.

Three countries have about the same number of daily New cases yesterday: Argentina +718, Germany +692, and Italy +652. Which ones are doing better?

If you look at the Total cases, they are respectively 10,700, 180,000, and 229,000. So Germany is still comparable to Italy.

But look at Active cases, respectively 7,000, 12,000, and 59,000. If you divide the daily New by the Actives you get these percentages: Argentina 7%, Germany 6%, and Italy 1%.

So you can see that Italy really has a handle on the spread, Germany and Argentina not so much. Germany is farther along the curve and may be declining as a percent, where Argentina is in an earlier phase of the curve and may be rising as a percent. (Brazil is 15% and Mexico is over 20%).


Bernardo de La Paz

(48,988 posts)
18. The Germany figure may be an anomaly: the next day (now yesterday) it is only 273 new cases
Sun May 24, 2020, 07:22 AM
May 2020

273 / 11720 = 2.3 %, much better.

This is an example of why data smoothing is needed.

BigmanPigman

(51,584 posts)
6. Wow, you are a mathematical dynamo!
Sat May 23, 2020, 05:10 PM
May 2020

I just look at all of those Worldometer numbers everyday too but I do not get anywhere near your use of the info. Thanks!

I have noticed that the Middle East and S America are increasing a lot more than other areas.

progree

(10,901 posts)
8. Big tip: click the Yesterday button (as you mention)
Sat May 23, 2020, 05:40 PM
May 2020

just above each table on the left side.

I had missed that or forgotten that, but is important because for today's new cases, (and new deaths and new anything), it depends on the time of day and different jurisdictions report at different times.

blitzen

(4,572 posts)
11. What if you bracket out New York? The U.S. is probably higher than 2%...
Sat May 23, 2020, 07:08 PM
May 2020

New York has had by far the largest number of cases, but also they have done a much better job in decreasing the curve. In other words, it is thanks to New York that the U.S. seems to be doing okay.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,988 posts)
14. That would boost US ratio fr 2.2% to 2.7%. Not great but not as bad as some states / countries
Sat May 23, 2020, 07:52 PM
May 2020

US has 1,114,000 active cases, NY 276,000.
Yesterday US had 24,200 new cases, NY had 1,600.

So US ratio is 2.2%, NY is 0.6%.

Take out NY: US would have only 838,000 active cases and 24,200 - 1,600 = 22600 new cases. 22600 / 838,000 = 2.7%

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
13. Is the US 2% sans NY? NY Metro skews the numbers heavy. Quomo showed the graph this morning & it was
Sat May 23, 2020, 07:47 PM
May 2020

... scary

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