So how do we hold future President's accountable?

[OAITW r.2.0]

If we should finally get all 3 branches of government, we really need to address the power of the Presidency. Enough is fucking enough.

[Brainfodder]

1. How about THIS ONE, first?

[Grasswire2]

2. Yep

We add more supreme court justices, we make statehood for DC and PR happen, we obliterate that damned DoJ memo on the charging of a sitting president.

And NO MERCY for the traitors. They must be ripped open in public view to show all the corruption, all the theft, all the treason.

NO MERCY.

We should have stomped out this faux conservatism decades ago.

Oh. And the Fairness Doctrine comes back. A measure of some kind to require truthful reporting on the airwaves that belong to the people.

[Eliot Rosewater]

4. And we wont though...we wont do what we should, like increase the size of the SC...

[Eliot Rosewater]

3. Now we're geting it. YOU DONT, bannon and putin orchestrated this.

the complete destruction of America is the goal...

[ProfessorGAC]

5. By Electing Democrats

Democratic presidents hold themselves accountable.
Count the scandals since 1970. Other than the Lewinsky thing, scandals of which dems were accused were ginned up, with no merit. And even that one was a fishing expedition found while looking for something actually illegal. They found nothing so they did this.
Nothing under Carter. One made up scandal under Clinton. Nothing under Obama.
Nixon: Watergate & I've lost count of the others
Reagan: October Surprise, Iran Contra, drug deals to fund that one, ...
43: I've lost count, and that doesn't include going to war with the wrong freaking country!
You want accountability?
Elect democrats.

[OAITW r.2.0]

6. That's it in a nutshell. Pretty good summary of the political reality.

Why do the other 40% not understand this?

[ProfessorGAC]

8. Me, Me, Me!

And willful ignorance.
Add, two teaspoons of racism, 1 teaspoon of xenophobia, and 1 cup of jealousy and you have your answer.
Much of it is rooted in those "against their own interest" things they voted for.
The american dream of a house, decent car, happy nuclear family, and a retirement without fear is out of reach now.
The issues on which they voted caused this.
Add in my recipe, and they've become a "victim cult". They don't have to admit they got suckered if they can find others to blame.

[brewens]

7. The only way is to get the big money out of politics and end the legalized bribery. I guess

even a working class republican thinks doing that would give democrats a huge advantage. The don't realize it, but really draining the swamp would also get them better candidates.

[Grasswire2]

9. TERM LIMITS, too. nt

[brewens]

12. Nope. Clean it up and pay them more. What fits with how important their job is. That's where we

have it backwards. People that would really be good in high office, can almost always make a lot more money doing something else. We end up with the B squad looking to get rich anyway they can once they get in there. Prohibit them from owning stock too. It's the long way around, but we need to get good people in there to actually work for us.

[Grasswire2]

18. That's not going to stop rich SOBs from selling out. And what about Collins? nt

[Steelrolled]

10. What makes you think any Democratic president would be willing to relinquish power?

I think the increase in presidential power has been bi-partisan.

[OAITW r.2.0]

11. Show me the abuse of power by Carter, Clinton, or the Obama administrations. I don't recall

ever having been concerned. Seriously.

[Steelrolled]

14. Use of executive orders to bypass congress.

No-one is willing to give that up.

[OAITW r.2.0]

16. But, why? Because the majority in Congress was.....Republicans!

They were subverting the will of the people who elected these Presidents and would not bring bills to get the the people's business done. The EO's were only an abuse if you don't consider in context. The real EO abuse has been by Republican Presidents, IMHO.

[Steelrolled]

17. I'm with you

My point is just that attempts to prevent abuse of power is going to require changes that no president (of either party) will accept. They always believe that *they* are not the problem.

[imanamerican63]

13. Easy! Follow the laws of the constitution!

[uponit7771]

15. Congress assigned IGs only being fired by congress managed by executive, Courts with hurry up orders

... so executive can't just wait out suppeanas, court substantiated impeachments so that process is less political and more legal and ability for congress to jail people who work against will of congress no matter who but legally and court substantiated.

easy peasy