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Freedomofspeech

(4,223 posts)
Sat May 23, 2020, 10:34 PM May 2020

Sitting on my front porch in SW effing hillbilly PA...

Fireworks going off everywhere. Stupid bastards... it is Memorial Day, not the Fourth of July.
I will never forget the day the military knocked our door to tell us that my 21 year old brother was dead. I was 15 at the time...my life was changed forever. Thank you, Vietnam.
Mr. Bonespurs said his Vietnam war not getting an STD and they still voted for him.
I hope that MF45 and all of his supporters rot in hell.

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Sitting on my front porch in SW effing hillbilly PA... (Original Post) Freedomofspeech May 2020 OP
K & R... dhill926 May 2020 #1
So sorry for the loss of your brother MaryMagdaline May 2020 #2
They know nothing about history... Freedomofspeech May 2020 #5
They think Brazilians speak Spanish demosincebirth May 2020 #33
Know that some of us have a hand across your shoulder. Don't you buckle! Shaddox May 2020 #3
Thank you. Freedomofspeech May 2020 #7
🕯 blm May 2020 #4
Thank you. Freedomofspeech May 2020 #10
For all the veterans of all the wars, respect Mopar151 May 2020 #6
That's beautiful. Thank you. NNadir May 2020 #48
Wow Kitchari May 2020 #49
ROTTEN GERM SPREADERS! R02091201 May 2020 #8
Exactly...you have no idea what it is like... Freedomofspeech May 2020 #9
SE effing hillbilly PA is representing also. badhair77 May 2020 #11
Thank you... Freedomofspeech May 2020 #12
News people are saying "Happy Memorial Day"? luvtheGWN May 2020 #14
Exactly. Freedomofspeech May 2020 #17
Thanks for sharing your important message. Karadeniz May 2020 #13
Sorry, I live in Westmoreland ebbie15644 May 2020 #15
That is where I am. Freedomofspeech May 2020 #16
I'm in Penn township and they are MAGA all the way ebbie15644 May 2020 #19
Scottdale... Freedomofspeech May 2020 #38
feel your pain ebbie15644 May 2020 #39
I'm over in Washington spinbaby May 2020 #58
💕💕💕 MLAA May 2020 #18
Agree Joinfortmill May 2020 #20
It has been a long while since I first read this. Codifer May 2020 #21
Thank you for posting this. Had not seen it before bobbieinok May 2020 #27
Thank you, Codifer. Please consider cross posting to the Poetry Group. littlemissmartypants May 2020 #29
Very powerful. 3catwoman3 May 2020 #31
Oh... Freedomofspeech May 2020 #36
don't blame you. My father was in WWII and Korea demigoddess May 2020 #22
Trump: "Happy Memorial Day" to Japanese troops keithbvadu2 May 2020 #23
That goes far beyond just "awkward". I despise the Grotesque Orange Pustule. Hermit-The-Prog May 2020 #35
I'm here in Pittsburgh surrounded by Democratic voters on all sides FakeNoose May 2020 #24
The Trumps are not shy about proclaiming how much they have 'sacrificed'. keithbvadu2 May 2020 #25
Give me a break FakeNoose May 2020 #28
I hope they all rot Squidly May 2020 #52
I'm from Erie originally. wnylib May 2020 #66
Yes that part will never change FakeNoose May 2020 #67
My father was a WW II vet. One of wnylib May 2020 #68
Twofer holiday for my brother flotsam May 2020 #26
I'm so sorry about the loss of your brother. smirkymonkey May 2020 #30
Such a loss does change you forever. 3catwoman3 May 2020 #32
Absolutely.... Freedomofspeech May 2020 #37
Fireworks here, SE MI. Probably celebrating Eid al-Fitr. JustABozoOnThisBus May 2020 #34
I'm here also. llmart May 2020 #44
I'm so sorry for your loss and pain. My then 19 yr old Boomerproud May 2020 #40
Exactly. Freedomofspeech May 2020 #41
Hi neighbor. a la izquierda May 2020 #42
Thanks... Freedomofspeech May 2020 #43
I teach at WVU. a la izquierda May 2020 #51
We love Pittsburgh, too. Freedomofspeech May 2020 #55
I hope "MF34" GETS to hell first (and soonest). He can "rot in hell" later. Texin May 2020 #45
Up here in New Castle... Harker May 2020 #46
I don't know about rotting in Hell, but they're going to have a higher Covid-19 infection rate. NNadir May 2020 #47
The loss of a brother Kitchari May 2020 #50
Memorial Day is not a day for celabration sarge43 May 2020 #53
Memorial Day Sales offend me. I cannot imagine who would want their loved one TNNurse May 2020 #54
Well said. (nt) Paladin May 2020 #56
Michigan - Last night too DownriverDem May 2020 #57
In my neighborhood, we have signs asking people not to use fireworks, out of consideration niyad May 2020 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author BrightKnight May 2020 #60
Plus Memorial Day is for soldiers who died. Lots of folks confuse it with Veterans Day IronLionZion May 2020 #61
I'm sitting between 2 reservations and it is dead silent here RainCaster May 2020 #62
This May 28 SCantiGOP May 2020 #63
We can never forget those who died and we cannot allow a bonespur chicken hawk to take us down. Evolve Dammit May 2020 #64
I am so sorry Jrsygrl96 May 2020 #65

MaryMagdaline

(6,853 posts)
2. So sorry for the loss of your brother
Sat May 23, 2020, 10:41 PM
May 2020

It’s too bad these jerks don’t know what we are remembering this weekend. It’s not a celebration

badhair77

(4,216 posts)
11. SE effing hillbilly PA is representing also.
Sat May 23, 2020, 11:02 PM
May 2020

Neighbors are raising hell at their pool party, with no signs of stopping. Fireworks going, and news people on tv Wishing us a “Happy Memorial Day.” Ridiculous.

My cousin died at age 19 in Vietnam white I was a jr in HS. I can’t imagine the pain of that military representative at the door; my aunt pretty much kept things to herself. Realizing that people like trump could so easily avoid that danger is infuriating.

I wish you peace as you remember your loss.

Freedomofspeech

(4,223 posts)
12. Thank you...
Sat May 23, 2020, 11:07 PM
May 2020

When this happens to a family your life is forever changed. I have a box of letters that my brother wrote to my Mother and his wallet that was with him when he died.. I cannot look at anything, all these years later.
I did throw away the American flag that was draped on his coffin....useless.

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
14. News people are saying "Happy Memorial Day"?
Sat May 23, 2020, 11:21 PM
May 2020

That is SO incredibly thoughtless and insensitive. November 11 is our Remembrance Day in Canada. Not one single person would ever, EVER say Happy Remembrance Day. It is the day (since November 11, 1918) that we observe a minute of silence at 11:00 a.m. to observe the passing of our soldiers in WWI, WWII, the Korean Conflict and any other wars our military served in. Even in grocery/department/big box/hardware stores we all stand in silence. And there are Remembrance services in all towns and cities. it is a day of respect, not celebration.

Freedomofspeech

(4,223 posts)
17. Exactly.
Sat May 23, 2020, 11:34 PM
May 2020

Lucky you to live in Canada. Only way to leave this godforsaken country would be to win the lottery! Yeah...tells you what our chances are.

Codifer

(545 posts)
21. It has been a long while since I first read this.
Sat May 23, 2020, 11:50 PM
May 2020


But You Didn't

By Merrill Glass

Remember the time you lent me your car and I dented it?
I thought you'd kill me...
But you didn't.

Remember the time I forgot to tell you the dance was
formal, and you came in jeans?
I thought you'd hate me...
But you didn't.

Remember the times I'd flirt with
other boys just to make you jealous, and
you were?
I thought you'd drop me...
But you didn't.

There were plenty of things you did to put up with me,
to keep me happy, to love me, and there are
so many things I wanted to tell
you when you returned from
Vietnam...
But you didn't.




demigoddess

(6,640 posts)
22. don't blame you. My father was in WWII and Korea
Sat May 23, 2020, 11:55 PM
May 2020

and my stepfather in Korea. Didn't die, but as many know, you don't go to war and come back unchanged.

FakeNoose

(32,630 posts)
24. I'm here in Pittsburgh surrounded by Democratic voters on all sides
Sun May 24, 2020, 12:02 AM
May 2020

... but yeah, some people treat Memorial Day like it's the 4th of July, and it bothers me too.

Memorial Day should be a solemn, respectful occasion. It's the time to honor the Americans who sacrificed, and the ones who paid the ultimate price. It's true that not all families have lost a loved one in military service, but those who have deserve our solemn respect and our thanks.

I believe the Chump Family cannot possibly understand that, since they've never sacrificed anything for anybody.



keithbvadu2

(36,770 posts)
25. The Trumps are not shy about proclaiming how much they have 'sacrificed'.
Sun May 24, 2020, 12:05 AM
May 2020

The Trumps are not shy about proclaiming how much they have 'sacrificed'.

Visit to Arlington Cemetery reminded Donald Trump Jr. of all his family's 'sacrifices,' he writes

https://www.stripes.com/news/us/visit-to-arlington-cemetery-reminded-donald-trump-jr-of-all-his-family-s-sacrifices-he-writes-1.606501

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212910508

"I gave up my life to move to Washington to help Americans," Ivanka Trump says in Davos interview.

Squidly

(783 posts)
52. I hope they all rot
Sun May 24, 2020, 01:19 PM
May 2020

Disgusting human beings..
And that term, human beings, is still too good for these MAGAts

wnylib

(21,428 posts)
66. I'm from Erie originally.
Mon May 25, 2020, 07:00 AM
May 2020

Memorial Day was (still is I think) the opening day for the summer season at Presque Isle state park -- beaches, picnics, boating, etc. Very much a party atmosphere. There was a parade in town in the morning, and fireworks at night, but most of the day was party time at the beaches or at home in people's yards. (Lot of Pittsburgh folks drove north for the beaches.)

My family took the day seriously to honor all the deceased, not just veterans. I can remrmber as a child making the rounds of graves with my parents and siblings, planting flowers, trimming shrubs at graves, and generally making them look nice. Some had flags to honor their service. We would pause for a moment of silence and then move on to another grave in that cemetery or another one until all were taken care of. Grandparents and great'grandparents, great aunts and great uncles, cousins of the grandparents, etc. Both of my parents had large extended families so this could take several hours. My father took care of the permanently planted flowers and shrubs because of his gardening skills, but other relatives brought cut flowers and we sometimes ran into them at the graves.

I remember getting impatient and not wanting to go, but being told that it was a responsibility and an honor to pay respects to the deceased.

Attitudes are so different today, except for the part about treating it as a party day.

FakeNoose

(32,630 posts)
67. Yes that part will never change
Mon May 25, 2020, 10:20 AM
May 2020

... and I do understand about your father's reverence for Memorial Day.

We who grew up as baby boomers saw things differently (most of us did anyway) so we haven't passed that reverence onto our kids, and now the younger generations don't have it.

wnylib

(21,428 posts)
68. My father was a WW II vet. One of
Mon May 25, 2020, 12:13 PM
May 2020

my maternal uncles spent 2 years in a German POW camp. They returned alive but never forgot the ones who didn't.

Opposition to the Vietnam war might have had something to do with our generation's changed views about Memorial Day. We have since learned to value the vets who died, regardless of personal views about the war itself. So some degree of reverence might return as we acknowledge people lost in more recent wars.

flotsam

(3,268 posts)
26. Twofer holiday for my brother
Sun May 24, 2020, 12:09 AM
May 2020

He is bitter that he was drafted into the 101st Airborne and sent to fight for a year in the Ah Shau Valley. He is bitter about lost friends he can now only see on panel 11 west of the wall and that he turned 21 in combat. And now he is bitter that at 71 the country again wants to risk his life and the lives of comrades to reopen the economy because it only kills people like him and his wife. He loves his country but he got a real rage on...

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
30. I'm so sorry about the loss of your brother.
Sun May 24, 2020, 12:55 AM
May 2020

It must be hard to see these disrespectful idiots treat this solemn holiday like it's a day to get drunk and celebrate. They are so insensitive and clueless. I feel for you.

3catwoman3

(23,971 posts)
32. Such a loss does change you forever.
Sun May 24, 2020, 01:12 AM
May 2020

My younger brother died when he was 23 - a scuba diving adventure that ended badly. 1978. He has been go so long that it sometimes feel as if I imagined him. No other siblings. He had no children.

I can understand about you not being able to read his letters. My brother was studying photography whe he died. For a long time, i could look at pictures by him, but not at pictures of him. The latter is still hard to do.

May I offer you a cyber hug from afar?

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,338 posts)
34. Fireworks here, SE MI. Probably celebrating Eid al-Fitr.
Sun May 24, 2020, 05:43 AM
May 2020

End of the last day of Ramadan. Party on, dudes!

Eat a lot, burn rubber from your tires. Mosques are closed.

There was a bit of celebratory gunfire, too. Not as much as some years. Maybe a sign of tough economic times.

llmart

(15,536 posts)
44. I'm here also.
Sun May 24, 2020, 11:10 AM
May 2020

When they started up last night in my area I was like "WTF?" These idiots have absolutely NO idea what Memorial Day is about and I'd wager a bet none of them served. They just like blowing things up and hearing the loud noise. How immature is that?

My sister served in Nam. To this day fireworks trigger a "get under your bed" response.

Boomerproud

(7,951 posts)
40. I'm so sorry for your loss and pain. My then 19 yr old
Sun May 24, 2020, 08:59 AM
May 2020

brother at Dong Tam in graves registration. He never talks about it. We COMMEMORATE Memorial Day, not celebrate!

a la izquierda

(11,791 posts)
42. Hi neighbor.
Sun May 24, 2020, 10:52 AM
May 2020

👋🏻 I’m in Morgantown. Fireworks galore last night, which completely terrified my dog.
I’m sorry for the loss of your brother all those years ago.

Harker

(14,012 posts)
46. Up here in New Castle...
Sun May 24, 2020, 11:27 AM
May 2020

the fireworks capital, one first wonders if it's gunfire.

I'm not thinking about celebrating - I'm respecting those who traded their lives for an ideal, and hoping war ends forever.

NNadir

(33,512 posts)
47. I don't know about rotting in Hell, but they're going to have a higher Covid-19 infection rate.
Sun May 24, 2020, 12:01 PM
May 2020

If there is a hell, they'll get there faster than people who can think.

I offer my condolences for your brother's death. Things like that never go away, I feel.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
53. Memorial Day is not a day for celabration
Sun May 24, 2020, 01:22 PM
May 2020

It is the one day when we should remember what they lost and who we lost.

May they have the peace denied them in this life.

Hell is too good for them, Freedomofspeech.

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
54. Memorial Day Sales offend me. I cannot imagine who would want their loved one
Sun May 24, 2020, 02:10 PM
May 2020

remembered by someone buying a mattress.

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
57. Michigan - Last night too
Sun May 24, 2020, 03:47 PM
May 2020

It went on for quite awhile. I suspect that will happen again for the next few nights. They had to change the law here because of all the crazies shooting off fireworks in neighborhoods for days. It is more limited now. So sorry you have to go through this too.

niyad

(113,257 posts)
59. In my neighborhood, we have signs asking people not to use fireworks, out of consideration
Sun May 24, 2020, 04:33 PM
May 2020

for those with PTSD (fireworks also happen to be illegal here)

I spent a year living in dread of that telegram or visit, and spent many years after that working with the living victims of that insane conflict, and others. I despise these clowns who have not the slightest clue about what sacrifice is, what valor is, what this country is actually supposed to stand for. They wrap themselves in the flag, figuratively as well as literally (against flag etiquette), and proclaim themselves patriots. Quite frankly, looking at the damage they are doing, They can all drop dead.

Response to Freedomofspeech (Original post)

IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
61. Plus Memorial Day is for soldiers who died. Lots of folks confuse it with Veterans Day
Sun May 24, 2020, 07:44 PM
May 2020

or Armed Forces Day.

The sad thing is that many soldiers died for no good reason in Republican wars recently. And many veterans are dying from inadequate healthcare when they catch COVID at a Veterans nursing home due to MAGA. Sailor and soldiers are catching COVID while in the service. Some have died.

So at some point veteran and military voters must turn against MF45. Enough is enough.

RainCaster

(10,866 posts)
62. I'm sitting between 2 reservations and it is dead silent here
Sun May 24, 2020, 08:48 PM
May 2020

Usually, they are trying to sell us fireworks for every occasion possible. Not this year. They are as silent as the rest of us.

We are in agreement.

SCantiGOP

(13,869 posts)
63. This May 28
Sun May 24, 2020, 08:48 PM
May 2020

Will be 50 years since my best friend from kindergarten on was killed in Vietnam.
I came home from my freshman year of college to my Mother bawling her eyes out as she opened the door.
I had already become radicalized at college through the anti-war movement, and that day solidified my intent to oppose my government anytime I knew they were wrong.

Jrsygrl96

(110 posts)
65. I am so sorry
Sun May 24, 2020, 09:10 PM
May 2020

for the loss of your brother. I understand your anger at MF45 and his dodging the draft. He is a coward and a bully.

I went to IUP (many moons ago) and it was a huge culture shock! But I have to say I loved the down to earth people and made many good friends. However, recently, on FB, I unfriended and blocked an old friend from out there because of her crazy, right-wing posts. She thinks 45 was sent by God. I just couldn't take the lies and the disgusting memes anymore. Friends for 40 years. Poof! Gone because of the ass in the White House.

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