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eppur_se_muova

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Sun May 24, 2020, 11:44 PM May 2020

So ... I was watching "Fierce Creatures" on DVD when this bit of dialog came up:

In the 1997 film Fierce Creatures, Jamie Lee Curtis's character describes Kevin Kline's character as excessively pronoid: "It means that despite all the available evidence, you actually think that people like you. Your perception of life is that it is one long benefit dinner in your honor, with everyone cheering you on and wanting you to win everything. You think you're the prince, Vince."


So I had to look up "pronoid" on Wikipedia, and it turns out that yes, there is some mention of 45 ... oh, and some of it is due to John Cleese {unconfirmed; citation needed}:

On July 13, 2018, in response to Donald Trump's claim that the British "love him", actor John Cleese explained in a series of tweets:
My American friends are asking me about President Trump’s observation that the British ‘like him’. I regret this is quite unfounded. The explanation for this canard is that Trump is pronoid. Pronoid is the opposite of paranoid. A paranoid person thinks, without any basis in reality, that everybody is out to get them. A pronoid person is someone who thinks, without any basis in reality, that everybody likes them.[This quote needs a citation][1]


Of course, this isn't exactly true -- 45 has a long list of "Trump enemies", and the criteria for inclusion is breathtakingly broad. Is he part paranoid, and part pronoid ? What do you call that ? Maybe schizoid ?

Schizoid personality disorder (/ˈskɪtsɔɪd, ˈskɪdzɔɪd/, often abbreviated as SPD or SzPD) is a personality disorder characterized by a lack of interest in social relationships, a tendency toward a solitary or sheltered lifestyle, secretiveness, emotional coldness, detachment and apathy. Affected individuals may be unable to form intimate attachments to others and simultaneously possess a rich and elaborate but exclusively internal fantasy world.[6][12] Other associated features include stilted speech, a lack of deriving enjoyment from most activities, feeling as though one is an "observer" rather than a participant in life, an inability to tolerate emotional expectations of others, apparent indifference when praised or criticized, a degree of asexuality and idiosyncratic moral or political beliefs.[13]

Well, everything was a good match until it got to that "apparent indifference" thing, but then it kind of recovered.

Maybe we should just agree he's "a mental case" and leave it there.
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So ... I was watching "Fierce Creatures" on DVD when this bit of dialog came up: (Original Post) eppur_se_muova May 2020 OP
Lol Faux pas May 2020 #1
Assoid? grantcart May 2020 #2

Faux pas

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Mon May 25, 2020, 12:17 AM
May 2020

thank for a name for something that I always thought about the hump. You don't know how many times I've said to family or friends that I found it strange that just because he liked/admired someone he alway thought they liked/admired him too. Too funny

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