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Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
Tue May 26, 2020, 11:18 PM May 2020

I don't care what Joe Scarborough, Rick Wilson, David Frum or Bill Kristol did in the past...

If they are going to assist in getting Trump out of office, their past right now is irrelevant to me.

I don't have to like 'em or support 'em to see that they are an ally right now - and whatever tools they bring to this fight I am okay with just as long as the end result is getting rid of this cancer in the White House.

Then we can go back to hating 'em - just as they can go back to hating Democrats, I guess.

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I don't care what Joe Scarborough, Rick Wilson, David Frum or Bill Kristol did in the past... (Original Post) Drunken Irishman May 2020 OP
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2020 #1
The Velveteen Ocelot - Those were the exact words that Upthevibe May 2020 #24
Also it is irrelevant who he libels exboyfil May 2020 #2
Everything Trump does seems to be wrong and demeaning to our country AND his office. n/t Beartracks May 2020 #25
Steve Schmidt hates Trump with every fiber of his being. My kinda guy. oasis May 2020 #3
Schmidt may have an out. Al Franken interviewed him and pushed hard rufus dog May 2020 #12
rufus dog....I heard that exact podcast/interview between Upthevibe May 2020 #27
Or Tom Nichols.. It might be noticeablle that I Cha May 2020 #4
Thank YOU! smirkymonkey May 2020 #5
Or Steve Schmidt or S. E. Cupp... nt babylonsister May 2020 #6
They are now "Nominal Republicans" Mopar151 May 2020 #7
Like this Lincoln Project Ad.. Cha May 2020 #8
Probably the best anti-Trump ad I've seen to date. n/t PatrickforO May 2020 #17
+1 grantcart May 2020 #9
Frum is brilliant and always has logical reasons for his conclusions Cicada May 2020 #10
democrats can destroy the GOP now - limbaugh is dying and trump is doomed without him certainot May 2020 #19
Wait 3 months. OAITW r.2.0 May 2020 #11
I have issues with Bill Kristol, so even weighing that enemy of my enemy thingy... Brother Buzz May 2020 #13
+1,000. Love the message, not the messenger. meadowlander May 2020 #14
Scarborough should sue him for libel dawg day May 2020 #15
Just remember. Sometimes you think you are getting along with someone just fine, next thing you know Midnight Writer May 2020 #16
The party is Trumpism hibbing May 2020 #18
It's a high percentage of a shrinking group DeminPennswoods May 2020 #21
At least 23% will admit to wanting someone else as a candidate relayerbob May 2020 #23
If FDR could ally with Stalin to beat Hitler Trumpocalypse May 2020 #20
Yep Hekate May 2020 #26
Or perhaps we'll find a common ground and fix the country properly relayerbob May 2020 #22
I'm right there with you, Irish peggysue2 May 2020 #28

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
1. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Tue May 26, 2020, 11:20 PM
May 2020

I'm happy for whatever they can do right now to help rid us of Trump. I can get pissed off at them later if that becomes necessary.

Upthevibe

(8,038 posts)
24. The Velveteen Ocelot - Those were the exact words that
Wed May 27, 2020, 01:34 AM
May 2020

entered my mind the second I read the OP:

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
2. Also it is irrelevant who he libels
Tue May 26, 2020, 11:22 PM
May 2020

Even if it was Karl Rove or Dick Cheney. it is wrong and demeaning for our country.

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
12. Schmidt may have an out. Al Franken interviewed him and pushed hard
Wed May 27, 2020, 12:30 AM
May 2020

On his Repuke past. Steve claimed it was due to his upbringing. Raised Catholic, his Cardinal was a pedophile. So he stuck with the Repukes because he wasn’t going to give up on another institution.

I will take him at his word. But all former Repukes should be forced to explain why the stuck with the racist, anti American party.

Hating tRump is a start. But admitting mistakes makes them clean.

Upthevibe

(8,038 posts)
27. rufus dog....I heard that exact podcast/interview between
Wed May 27, 2020, 01:43 AM
May 2020

Steve Schmidt and Al Franken and Al REALLY did ask him some hard questions (and Al was so professional and polite). They had a very enlightening, insightful, and in depth conversation. I had posted on DU last Friday that Steve Schmidt was going to be on Stephanie Miller's podcast happy hour later that day (5/22) and someone here on DU told me about the Al Franken interview. It was excellent and I strongly recommend everyone who can to listen to it.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
5. Thank YOU!
Tue May 26, 2020, 11:30 PM
May 2020

I feel exactly the same way. If they are working against Trump now, I could give a damn what they did before.

As long as they are causing a maximum amount of damage to him and his reputation, I welcome them. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. For now.

I am a pragmatist. Idealism has gotten us nowhere. This is a fight for the soul of our nation and right now, getting rid of Trump is goal #1. Flipping the Senate should be goal #2. Then we can take on the rest of it.

Mopar151

(9,980 posts)
7. They are now "Nominal Republicans"
Tue May 26, 2020, 11:38 PM
May 2020

Along with the Governors of NH, VT, and MA, and some other folks. They have a job they are trying to do well, or at least better than yesterday.

Sadly, they are being dragged down by the whinging bloviators and sniveling slackers of the "BASE".

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
10. Frum is brilliant and always has logical reasons for his conclusions
Wed May 27, 2020, 12:26 AM
May 2020

I have always thought he might be right and I might be wrong when he took a position I disagreed with. I always gave serious consideration to his arguments. And Kristol often admitted the true reasons for his beliefs even when he knew his reasons would be negatively viewed. When the Republican Party is dead as a national party, maybe 10 years from now, hopefully the replacement will give important roles to people like David Frum.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
19. democrats can destroy the GOP now - limbaugh is dying and trump is doomed without him
Wed May 27, 2020, 01:20 AM
May 2020

to keep the GOP in line and make excuses for him and those senators who have kissed his royal parts

the talk radio monopoly was built around limbaugh and it's going to start falling apart when the ignorant racist liar croaks. democrats can hurry it up just by stopping ignring it

the gop pols and media and the russian social media trolling depends on 1500 coordinated well-functioning llimbaugh-led radio stations and the advertising industry is going to have to break it up when they know americans won't stand for 1500 radio stations licensed to operate in the public interest yelling HOAX in a COVID theater

oh, wait, dems are still analyzing fish without the water

Brother Buzz

(36,416 posts)
13. I have issues with Bill Kristol, so even weighing that enemy of my enemy thingy...
Wed May 27, 2020, 12:40 AM
May 2020

I'll still keep an eye on him.

I really enjoy David Frum's wicked pen, and Rick Wilson's enthusiasm and twisted humor.

I wouldn't know Joe Scarborough if he bit me it the butt. Maybe I need to get out more.

Midnight Writer

(21,745 posts)
16. Just remember. Sometimes you think you are getting along with someone just fine, next thing you know
Wed May 27, 2020, 12:44 AM
May 2020

he is grabbing you by the p***y.

hibbing

(10,096 posts)
18. The party is Trumpism
Wed May 27, 2020, 01:12 AM
May 2020

Just my humble opinion. I don't think these people have much influence. What is Trump's approval rating among Republicans? Last I looked it was 92%


Peace

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
22. Or perhaps we'll find a common ground and fix the country properly
Wed May 27, 2020, 01:28 AM
May 2020

I know, slim chance, but hey, one can dream

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
28. I'm right there with you, Irish
Wed May 27, 2020, 01:54 AM
May 2020

Anyone, anywhere, from any camp who is all-in to defeat Donald Trump is an ally at this moment in time.

As you said, we can get back to the normal catfighting after Trump and his odious crew are soundly defeated, the stable is thoroughly cleaned (that includes the lickspittle Republicans who supported Trump and his policies, even when they knew they were wrong, immoral and indecent or made excuses that 'some' of his policies were worthy, as in judicial appointments and tax cuts for the rich).

They all need to be gone because they've proven themselves as saboteurs to our Democratic Republic, willing to destroy the rule of law and our institutions. They no longer represent the loyal opposition; they're the enemy inside the tent.

The Never-Trumpers are never going to turn into Dems. But they make great ads and despise Trumphumpers as much as we do. So, let them fight the good fight, shoulder-to-shoulder with us and anyone else who wants to be on the right side of history.

Let's get this done!

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