Friday News Dump - Here it is. Flynn-Kislyak, Dec. 29, 2016

[kpete]

Last edited Fri May 29, 2020, 06:22 PM - Edit history (2)

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6933363/Former-Judges-Sullivan.pdf

Flynn makes it clear he has talked to Trump about the call, which he claimed not to recall and still claims not to recall.

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https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2020-05-29%20ODNI%20to%20CEG%20RHJ%20%28Flynn%20Transcripts%29.pdf

Flynn asks a hostile foreign country to work against the current administration of the United States of America.

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MORE:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/29/trump-flynn-russia-ambassador-289905

[empedocles]

1. Doesn't sound like innocence.

[winstars]

2. Sounds like a fucking traitor to me!!!

[Tommy_Carcetti]

3. I still prefer my version better.

Which I so graciously provided to you all the way back in February 2017:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028646581

[Roland99]

4. Flynn says it's good russia won't support Americans at UN security council

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[Roland99]

5. Jared asked for backchannel to putin. Kislyak says they'll have it

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[kpete]

6. Thanks so very much

for the icing on this cake

peace,
kp

[Roland99]

8. You're welcome. And notice anything in particular in the transcripts?

He can’t complete a sentence without 14 “uuhhhss”

[RDANGELO]

7. Anyone with national security responsibilities would have a reason to know who it was.

[Igel]

9. I don't see the "working against."

The request is to not escalate retaliation against the US, because that would trigger another round of expulsions.

Not retaliating beyond parity is hardly working against. Unless we think that the proper response that Obama would have liked when 30 Russians were kicked out is to have Russia kick out 60 diplomats/employees.

I don't think that was one of Obama's goals. I'd suggest that Obama was glad that Russia's response was moderate.


I think another difficulty is what I just went through trying to understand the tweets. They were incoherent. "They discussed sanctions"--but while true, the word "sanction" was employed twice and it was Kislyak who used it. Flynn talked mostly past the word. Yet the tweets seemed to suggest that sanctions were a topic of conversation, something the conversation was 'about'. Again, it struck me as incoherent.

It seems that when we hear "sanctions" we assume we're being consistent and know what it is we're talking about, and we're all in agreement. We're neither. In late 2016 President Obama took three actions that triggered these calls. He expelled Russian "diplomats", closed a couple of Russian facilities, and expanded US sanctions against Russia. When discussing "sanctions", think sanctions and not expulsions or shuttering the compounds. That's how I've understood the discussion straight along. But I can only get coherence out of the claims by assuming that "sanctions" does include expulsion and shuttering.



What I find really amusing is this NYT article, which basically reads as a paraphrase of the 12/29 phone call:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/30/world/europe/russia-diplomats-us-hacking.html

[gibraltar72]

10. Sometimes my memory hole closes up.

But I believe at one point judge said something to the prosecution is this all you're charging him with something like that. At one point I think he was really pissed and asked Flynn if he really wanted him to pass sentence now. I think Flynns lawyer said no knowing how upset judge was. Does anyone else remember this?

[mercuryblues]

12. Yup

I remember that.

I also remember when Obama wanted to give more arms and help to the Kurds to fight ISIS. Out of courtosy for the incoming trump admin, he asked their go ahead, since they would be handling it. Turkey's Erdogan hates the Kurds, Flynn was an unregistered lobbyist for Erdogan. Flynn said NO. <--------treason

[UTUSN]

11. K&R