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OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
Sat May 30, 2020, 06:57 AM May 2020

Another insight about rioting/looting - PLEASE READ

Last edited Sat May 30, 2020, 07:59 AM - Edit history (2)

No one's asking you to condone what's happening. It's a tragedy on so many levels. But many of you don't seem to understand the mindset behind some of what's going on when looting occurs -- or maybe you simply refuse to because trying to put yourself in that situation is too uncomfortable.


“The rioters are criminals and they don’t even care about police brutality stuff.”

There are criminals among us in every group, whether peaceful or violent, but the reasons riots break out are varied and complicated. Look at the pictures of Minneapolis before anyone ever threw a rock or started a fire or stole anything — the police firing rubber bullets and cans of tear gas into crowds of people who WERE peacefully protesting. What do you do when you’re frustrated and upset and no one is listening to you? Better yet, what do you do when they’re not only refusing to listen but actively trying to cause you physical harm to shut you up? Do you go home, stand there peacefully, or get mad and try to hurt them back? Does it really matter who you hurt at that point? Would you try to hurt someone in full tactical gear holding a weapon or would you try to hurt something like a multi-billion dollar business with insurance that probably contributed to the decimation of Mom & Pops in your community? Do you want to actually DIE in that moment or are you just upset and frustrated and at your breaking point and you want to smash something?

“Being frustrated is no reason to be violent.”

Everybody reacts to stress differently. I have no desire to riot. That’s not how my frustration at the world takes root. It doesn’t manifest itself as a roiling mass of energy that needs to be released, but I can understand how it could in others. Look at the situation.

— We’re in the middle of a global pandemic and many of the people on the front lines (making sure YOU can be comfortable at home) are Black people risking their lives for minimum wage, dealing with entitled white folks every single day.

— The virus itself is affecting Black people to a higher degree because we’re denied access to health services and we’re forced to WORK during it.

— Even in the middle of a pandemic when most of the country sat at home for weeks, civilians being murdered by police did not see a downward turn AT ALL. We’re on track for the same number of deaths we saw last year.

— All week, every day, a new video of Racism in America. From white women using the police as their personal security service to elderly women being tackled by cops with guns drawn to another Black man who can’t breathe, murdered by a cop who should’ve been fired a long time ago.

How do you feel about your country when people who look like you have to work through a pandemic, are dying in larger numbers from the disease, have the police called on them over a dog leash, are told they’re trespassing on property they pay rent for, are brutalized by armies of cops, and are killed in broad daylight for the crime of jogging?

How do you feel? How would you react? Regardless of how you would react, how can you tell someone else how they should? People are ANGRY. They have a right to be angry. And I can’t tell someone else how their anger should manifest. Because they are grown and TARGET HAS INSURANCE! I promise you Target will be just fine!

- Rafi D'Angelo

EDIT TO ADD his site: https://soletstalkabout.com/2020/05/28/how-to-respond-to-riots-never-solve-anything/


ETA #2: I can't recall where I read it, but another insight into the frustration and rage that feeds actions of looting and other destruction IN THESE JUSTIFIED PROTESTS AGAINST STATE-SPONSORED MURDER, is that obviously Black people are most impacted and have been FOREVER economically, educationally, health-wise, etc. Redlining still happens. The income is less, mortality rates higher -- all the statistics are stacked AGAINST the Black community.

So when the rage of being unheard about the valid fear they feel every single day living in White America, fuck yeah some of them think, I'm gonna loot and get shit I need -- or maybe shit I don't need, just for the hell of TAKING SOMETHING since SO MUCH HAS BEEN TAKEN FROM US. Plus, these stores have insurance. And this shit isn't about $$$$. Looting is symbolic, and a lot of times people aren't even consciously aware in the moment of all this. It becomes irrational in the throes of frustration, rage and fear.

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Another insight about rioting/looting - PLEASE READ (Original Post) OneGrassRoot May 2020 OP
I don't condone rioting in the least but..... Afromania May 2020 #1
I am so damn sorry... OneGrassRoot May 2020 #4
The unheard and unseen brer cat May 2020 #18
Is this an excerpt? druidity33 May 2020 #2
Ach, never mind... druidity33 May 2020 #3
So sorry... OneGrassRoot May 2020 #5
Oh no worries... druidity33 May 2020 #7
Excellent! BlueMTexpat May 2020 #6
Sociology 101 bucolic_frolic May 2020 #8
Excellent point. Thank you. n/t OneGrassRoot May 2020 #9
40 Acres And A Mule DanieRains May 2020 #10
There is a fragile mentality in all protests... ewagner May 2020 #11
Well said. Thank you. n/t OneGrassRoot May 2020 #12
"When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose." WheelWalker May 2020 #13
Interesting post and link Ligyron May 2020 #14
Chicago 1968 DallasNE May 2020 #15
Yeah-let's just suspend critical thinking. 58Sunliner May 2020 #16
Unpaid bills come due. gibraltar72 May 2020 #17
Excellent post and discussion. K&R crickets May 2020 #19

Afromania

(2,768 posts)
1. I don't condone rioting in the least but.....
Sat May 30, 2020, 07:15 AM
May 2020

Dollar for Dollar how much damage is done? Is the value equivalent to the vote for a wannabe despot has done? What about the loss or potential loss of life? Is it an equivalent to the souls lost in their desperately horrible attempts to punish people trying to immigrate here? Is it equal to the people dead in cages or the tens of thousands dead to C19. What of the the fact that, as already mentioned in the op, police violence towards us hasn't gone down with almost nobody on the streets. I mean you think it would but it has only given the police a new avenue to harass us for no reason.

People don't listen to us until they have a reason to point and say oh look at those dirty niggers doing shit. See we were right about them see.. seee.. seeeeeeeeeeee. Both sides are bad... bad bad bad because because because. Fuck them and fuck everybody crowing about how this isn't the way or the time or the what the hell ever. Kap kneeled on a football field and was blackballed from football and called a son of a bitch by the president.

We are crucified no matter what we do, you know, unless we don't resist. That's when they won't take their knees off our necks. That's when they use choke holds to kill us. I'm tired, we're tired....... so so so so fucking tired.

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
4. I am so damn sorry...
Sat May 30, 2020, 07:49 AM
May 2020

but know words are useless. We white people can never, ever get it, no matter how empathetic we think we are.

I'm bearing witness to your post, and trying to do a lot more than that - beyond typing/saying words and voting -- to change this fucking obscene, evil system of white supremacy.

brer cat

(24,524 posts)
18. The unheard and unseen
Sat May 30, 2020, 10:03 AM
May 2020

until they do something that confirms the bias of the white supremacists.

Thank you for this post.

druidity33

(6,445 posts)
2. Is this an excerpt?
Sat May 30, 2020, 07:45 AM
May 2020

Do you have a link or know who this guy is? He is SPOT on here and I'd like to read more of his insight.
K&R

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
5. So sorry...
Sat May 30, 2020, 07:50 AM
May 2020

I edited to add a link to his site. I was in a hurry and selected excerpts that seemed to most apply to posts here this morning.

druidity33

(6,445 posts)
7. Oh no worries...
Sat May 30, 2020, 08:01 AM
May 2020

Thank YOU for introducing me to the site. I've been reading it since i posted... it's bookmarked now.

Cheers!

bucolic_frolic

(43,058 posts)
8. Sociology 101
Sat May 30, 2020, 08:38 AM
May 2020

I knew redlining still existed. As you move down the economic scale there are more barriers to obtaining money/resources. So if you're locked out of luxury at $90k a year, and have brief vacations at $60k, and can't live in a prosperous neighborhood at $45k, imagine putting another barrier into the mix where you haven't much in the way of sklills or a job, can't own, and the landlords rarely paint anything. Because looting to me is also partially about not buying into the concept of private property rights because rioters don't have much private property to protect. The fruits of labor are passed up the income scale. When you own nothing you've not bought into the system because there's nothing much to buy into the system with, even though you've paid for it.

ewagner

(18,964 posts)
11. There is a fragile mentality in all protests...
Sat May 30, 2020, 09:01 AM
May 2020

People are in the street because they are angry to begin with. They feel that injustices have been done and want some kind of action to address it.

All it takes is some act of unreasoned, unjustified force to ignite the crowd to do things they would never otherwise consider. The easiest targets are the buildings which can't fight back.

Worse yet, the wrong people are trying to stop the riots...the people who need to be there are the people who have the POWER to make change and they need to listen, they need to create a dialogue and convince those aggrieved that they are willing to change. Without that, they are perceived of hiding behind the wall of force...police or national guard...and thus protecting the status quo which brought the people to the streets in the first place. The shows of force, ironically, reinforce the protests not peace.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
15. Chicago 1968
Sat May 30, 2020, 09:30 AM
May 2020

That was called a police riot. I am seeing too many of the same elements in play here.

Who gave the order to tear gas peaceful protestors? Was that order by the book = indeed what does the book say about spontaneous peaceful protests. Trump has often said beat the crap out of them. Are the police acting in conjunction with the Trump campaign. There is something fishy about the police response that they so quickly escalated this to the point where things spiraled out of control.

Has anybody been monitoring what is being said on the social networks favored by security people, private and public as that might prove interesting.

Granted, once the fires were set, windows smashed, etc. then the police had to crack down and stop that activity even though they were largely responsible for starting it in the first place.

58Sunliner

(4,372 posts)
16. Yeah-let's just suspend critical thinking.
Sat May 30, 2020, 09:43 AM
May 2020

It's bullshit to equate looting and burning with any justice. I'm surprised more people have not been killed. Focusing your emotions and using them productively has always been work.

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