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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Sat May 30, 2020, 12:12 PM May 2020

Fox's Vittert, crew chased by demonstrators at DC protest

Fox News anchor Leland Vittert and his crew were followed by protesters while covering a demonstration outside the White House on Friday night.

"Imagine what it's like to be a black man, feeling like this every f---ing day,” a woman screamed at Vittert as he and his crew attempted to leave what appeared to be an escalating situation.

One of two of Vittert's security staffers was punched in the face and knocked to the ground as the team hurriedly exited the park.

The journalist said when they found a police car approximately two blocks away, they pounded on the window frantically but the officer refused to get out of the car while appearing to radio for help. "We were very clearly on our own, and in that situation, you just don't know how things are going to play out," Vittert said.



https://thehill.com/homenews/media/500262-foxs-vittert-crew-followed-by-demonstrators-at-dc-protest
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Fox's Vittert, crew chased by demonstrators at DC protest (Original Post) left-of-center2012 May 2020 OP
Karma DeminPennswoods May 2020 #1
Tapper doesn't like it. Qutzupalotl May 2020 #2
I understand what you're saying... dixiechiken1 May 2020 #3
I hear you, but my concern is Qutzupalotl May 2020 #4
My head tells me you're right. dixiechiken1 May 2020 #7
I'm all for seeing karma in action, I just think this went a little too far. Qutzupalotl May 2020 #18
Naaah... dixiechiken1 May 2020 #19
That's the thing about karma, Qutzupalotl May 2020 #25
MLK said... dixiechiken1 May 2020 #28
Yelling is good. Qutzupalotl May 2020 #29
There's limited tolerance for the press. Igel May 2020 #32
Yup, microphone shouldn't have been thrown. dixiechiken1 May 2020 #36
No rockfordfile May 2020 #30
To be fair, you probably have never attended a Trump Rally !!! OnDoutside May 2020 #21
Granted. Qutzupalotl May 2020 #23
MAGATS have gone into government meeting halls with big guns, done to implicitly Blue_true May 2020 #26
They may have hung them, Igel May 2020 #33
Whatever. nt Blue_true May 2020 #37
Here's what I think. Qutzupalotl May 2020 #34
Faux News isn't press. It's a Russian propaganda operation. roamer65 May 2020 #5
While I agree about Fox, Qutzupalotl May 2020 #15
They have been doing it for four years MoonlitKnight May 2020 #16
That happen years ago with the Iraq war lies rockfordfile May 2020 #31
A fair point. Qutzupalotl May 2020 #35
The Defender of Twoops greenjar_01 May 2020 #8
How did anyone on the street know they were Fox? Tipperary May 2020 #11
Markings on microphones and tv booms. nt Blue_true May 2020 #27
Well, this goes back to the personal responsibility shit FOX essme May 2020 #6
THIS... dixiechiken1 May 2020 #9
Indeed gratuitous May 2020 #10
Sorry dipshits. You elected this waste of orange skin as president maxrandb May 2020 #12
I consider Fox News a propaganda arm of the Republican Party and not part of the "real" press. madinmaryland May 2020 #22
It's still wrong. NutmegYankee May 2020 #13
and I stated it was essme May 2020 #14
I wasn't directing this at you. NutmegYankee May 2020 #20
They seem scared. Are they going to start arming themselves delisen May 2020 #17
Fox News should not be welcomed ANY PLACE? Brainfodder May 2020 #24

dixiechiken1

(2,113 posts)
3. I understand what you're saying...
Sat May 30, 2020, 01:29 PM
May 2020

But no one put a knee on their necks and killed them. They got screamed at and had some water thrown on them. Little enough, IMO, considering the hatred, racism and vitriol they spew EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. They contributed to this. They own it.

FUCK 'EM.

Qutzupalotl

(14,300 posts)
4. I hear you, but my concern is
Sat May 30, 2020, 01:32 PM
May 2020

that this gives license to the other side to do the same to legitimate news outfits. Then we’d be truly fucked.

dixiechiken1

(2,113 posts)
7. My head tells me you're right.
Sat May 30, 2020, 01:47 PM
May 2020

I saw a video of the COVIDiots doing this kind of thing to CNN at one of the "reopen rallies", screaming "FAKE NEWS" and "ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE" at them. CNN reporter(s) didn't have bodyguards and didn't run away, though. They kept trying to talk to people and ask questions. So yeah, I didn't like that and I didn't think it was right. BUT...

My heart still says FUCK 'EM.

Ya gotta admit that this was more than a little bit delicious, don'tcha? And that it's about time we get some karma payback?

Qutzupalotl

(14,300 posts)
18. I'm all for seeing karma in action, I just think this went a little too far.
Sat May 30, 2020, 02:39 PM
May 2020

If they had chanted “Fuck Fox News!” and let that be enough, Fox wouldn’t be able to broadcast the footage without running afoul of the FCC. That seems like a sufficient protest, and it endangers nobody.

I draw the line at pushing, throwing things at people, and destroying property. Making the reporters run ... just imagine if an angry crowd did that to a reporter you like.

I’m torn too. Fox sucks, OANN is even worse, but things that even look like violence tend to be more counterproductive than helpful.

All that said, it certainly could have been a lot worse. It looks like no one was seriously hurt. But it was still a little to assault-y for me.

dixiechiken1

(2,113 posts)
19. Naaah...
Sat May 30, 2020, 02:54 PM
May 2020

I'm still going with FUCK 'EM.

They've been stoking the racist fire for decades. People are pissed off and they've had enough. These people don't understand civility. They have poked the bear and now the bear is awake. And YUGELY PISSED. They are reaping the hatred they have sown, lo these many years.

Good. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of assholes.

Qutzupalotl

(14,300 posts)
25. That's the thing about karma,
Sat May 30, 2020, 04:38 PM
May 2020

what goes around comes around. If we choose to escalate, we are more likely to receive escalation in return. And then we will have deserved it. I’d rather see us not deserve a reciprocal escalation. That way, if we receive violence, we garner sympathy from the public rather than a “fuck em.” That’s how you win the majority of hearts and minds, and win the war if not every battle.

We could use a leader like MLK about now, but I don’t see one coming. Maybe it’s up to us.

dixiechiken1

(2,113 posts)
28. MLK said...
Sat May 30, 2020, 05:40 PM
May 2020
“In the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear?”

The Fox News guys were yelled at and had water thrown on them. They didn't have fire hoses turned on them - it was a cup of water. And the yelling? Well, it appears that they finally heard... something. At least these particular Fox News guys did. And they felt fear. The same fear that minorities in this country feel every day. Every. Day.

We cannot tolerate intolerance. And if it takes a little yelling to get the point across, I'm all in.

Qutzupalotl

(14,300 posts)
29. Yelling is good.
Sat May 30, 2020, 06:10 PM
May 2020

One of the guys in the video threw a microphone at the reporter. That’s when they start to lose me.

Igel

(35,293 posts)
32. There's limited tolerance for the press.
Sat May 30, 2020, 06:22 PM
May 2020

If the press isn't on your side.

It's why freedom of the press is so hard to dispose of--so many would love to silence or deplatform those they find immoral.

That's worded neutrally on purpose, because every side thinks its cause just and the other side's crap.

dixiechiken1

(2,113 posts)
36. Yup, microphone shouldn't have been thrown.
Sat May 30, 2020, 06:52 PM
May 2020

But this entire situation is a tinderbox right now. There is a global pandemic. People have been cooped up for two months. 40 million people unemployed. Economy is in the shitter. And a(nother) AA loses their life in a senseless act of hatred and blatant racism in America. The uncertainty and fear are palpable.

There's no excuse for violence... but sometimes, there are reasons for it.

Qutzupalotl

(14,300 posts)
23. Granted.
Sat May 30, 2020, 04:29 PM
May 2020

And I realize that sort of thing happens there. I just hate to see us become the mirror image of that.

It’s a heavy burden, being the adults in the room, but the alternative seems to be endless escalation leading to a civil war.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
26. MAGATS have gone into government meeting halls with big guns, done to implicitly
Sat May 30, 2020, 05:13 PM
May 2020

threaten officials that they don't like. They hung TWO democratic governors in effigy. And you are saying that the escalation has not reached a boiling point? What should our side do, keep turning the other cheek until they decide to shoot it off?

Qutzupalotl

(14,300 posts)
34. Here's what I think.
Sat May 30, 2020, 06:24 PM
May 2020

Bringing guns to a protest is intimidation, and that’s not okay. Hanging people in effigy is also intimidation, also not okay. None of those cases so far has resulted in actual shooting or actual hanging, and thank goodness for that. We need to avoid escalating our responses well before we approach that point. I can foresee a time when such a response will be unavoidable, and I hope we are not there yet.

MLK favored non-violent methods, including peaceful civil disobedience, to draw attention to societal wrongs. I favor that over replicating the other side’s methods. I realize that is a difficult path. I respect John Lewis, for instance, but I question whether I could muster the courage to face a harsh beating without responding in kind. But winning hearts and minds is more important than revenge, and that means keeping our ideals in mind as we consider how to respond. We are better than them, but we have to continue to show it and not sink to their level; because once we do, we deserve what will follow.

We are very near a tipping point, but I still have hope that a full-on civil war can be avoided.

Qutzupalotl

(14,300 posts)
15. While I agree about Fox,
Sat May 30, 2020, 02:26 PM
May 2020

please consider what the “other side” thinks of our legitimate news outlets. If they ever become arbiters of what is allowed to air, we stand to lose a lot.

Qutzupalotl

(14,300 posts)
35. A fair point.
Sat May 30, 2020, 06:29 PM
May 2020

They did indeed pressure outlets to conform to a pro-war view, and that was reprehensible.

If I may rephrase for clarity, I don’t want a mob deciding by force what is or isn’t a legitimate news source. Better to use our free speech to point out their flaws and hypocrisy, rather than use intimidation or force.

This was a relatively mild incident, but it would not take much more to spiral out of control. I’d rather we didn’t go there.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
11. How did anyone on the street know they were Fox?
Sat May 30, 2020, 01:58 PM
May 2020

I would not recognize anyone from Fox. I agree with Tapper; not a good precedent.

essme

(1,207 posts)
6. Well, this goes back to the personal responsibility shit FOX
Sat May 30, 2020, 01:36 PM
May 2020

has been spewing for over 20 years.

The RW media- including Rush Limbaugh-- have made sure people despise them. That mission was accomplished-- so, what in the hell made them think the protesters wouldn't chase them?

I agree- the press should NOT be treated this way, and while they did not deserve it, they are the victim of the hatred they have been promoting.

dixiechiken1

(2,113 posts)
9. THIS...
Sat May 30, 2020, 01:49 PM
May 2020
...they are the victim of the hatred they have been promoting.


EXACTLY THIS. Well said, essme.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
10. Indeed
Sat May 30, 2020, 01:52 PM
May 2020

Fox and the right wing noise machine have been antagonizing people for decades. Last night one small bunch of them got the merest whiff of a taste on the tip of their tongues of the violence and animosity they've been brewing, and suddenly we all need to be civil and polite and don't you know how scared Vittert was? Conservatives have been inviting this backlash; it would be rude and not civil at all to refuse them.

maxrandb

(15,316 posts)
12. Sorry dipshits. You elected this waste of orange skin as president
Sat May 30, 2020, 01:59 PM
May 2020

there will be no Kumbaya moment.

You danced around the dogshit for decades, but you've really stepped in it now.

Stepped in it and smeared it all over the fabric of our society.

Don't think there's going to be a "let's move forward" call from this electorate.

There's a reckoning coming.

essme

(1,207 posts)
14. and I stated it was
Sat May 30, 2020, 02:04 PM
May 2020

wrong.

See my post above.

There aren't going to be a whole helluva lotta "right" going into riots.

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