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Fox News anchor Leland Vittert and his crew were followed by protesters while covering a demonstration outside the White House on Friday night.
"Imagine what it's like to be a black man, feeling like this every f---ing day, a woman screamed at Vittert as he and his crew attempted to leave what appeared to be an escalating situation.
One of two of Vittert's security staffers was punched in the face and knocked to the ground as the team hurriedly exited the park.
The journalist said when they found a police car approximately two blocks away, they pounded on the window frantically but the officer refused to get out of the car while appearing to radio for help. "We were very clearly on our own, and in that situation, you just don't know how things are going to play out," Vittert said.
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/500262-foxs-vittert-crew-followed-by-demonstrators-at-dc-protest
DeminPennswoods
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Qutzupalotl
(14,300 posts)Last edited Sat May 30, 2020, 01:28 PM - Edit history (1)
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I have to say, I agree. Fox sucks, but this is not the way.
dixiechiken1
(2,113 posts)But no one put a knee on their necks and killed them. They got screamed at and had some water thrown on them. Little enough, IMO, considering the hatred, racism and vitriol they spew EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. They contributed to this. They own it.
FUCK 'EM.
Qutzupalotl
(14,300 posts)that this gives license to the other side to do the same to legitimate news outfits. Then wed be truly fucked.
dixiechiken1
(2,113 posts)I saw a video of the COVIDiots doing this kind of thing to CNN at one of the "reopen rallies", screaming "FAKE NEWS" and "ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE" at them. CNN reporter(s) didn't have bodyguards and didn't run away, though. They kept trying to talk to people and ask questions. So yeah, I didn't like that and I didn't think it was right. BUT...
My heart still says FUCK 'EM.
Ya gotta admit that this was more than a little bit delicious, don'tcha? And that it's about time we get some karma payback?
Qutzupalotl
(14,300 posts)If they had chanted Fuck Fox News! and let that be enough, Fox wouldnt be able to broadcast the footage without running afoul of the FCC. That seems like a sufficient protest, and it endangers nobody.
I draw the line at pushing, throwing things at people, and destroying property. Making the reporters run ... just imagine if an angry crowd did that to a reporter you like.
Im torn too. Fox sucks, OANN is even worse, but things that even look like violence tend to be more counterproductive than helpful.
All that said, it certainly could have been a lot worse. It looks like no one was seriously hurt. But it was still a little to assault-y for me.
dixiechiken1
(2,113 posts)I'm still going with FUCK 'EM.
They've been stoking the racist fire for decades. People are pissed off and they've had enough. These people don't understand civility. They have poked the bear and now the bear is awake. And YUGELY PISSED. They are reaping the hatred they have sown, lo these many years.
Good. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of assholes.
Qutzupalotl
(14,300 posts)what goes around comes around. If we choose to escalate, we are more likely to receive escalation in return. And then we will have deserved it. Id rather see us not deserve a reciprocal escalation. That way, if we receive violence, we garner sympathy from the public rather than a fuck em. Thats how you win the majority of hearts and minds, and win the war if not every battle.
We could use a leader like MLK about now, but I dont see one coming. Maybe its up to us.
dixiechiken1
(2,113 posts)The Fox News guys were yelled at and had water thrown on them. They didn't have fire hoses turned on them - it was a cup of water. And the yelling? Well, it appears that they finally heard... something. At least these particular Fox News guys did. And they felt fear. The same fear that minorities in this country feel every day. Every. Day.
We cannot tolerate intolerance. And if it takes a little yelling to get the point across, I'm all in.
Qutzupalotl
(14,300 posts)One of the guys in the video threw a microphone at the reporter. Thats when they start to lose me.
Igel
(35,293 posts)If the press isn't on your side.
It's why freedom of the press is so hard to dispose of--so many would love to silence or deplatform those they find immoral.
That's worded neutrally on purpose, because every side thinks its cause just and the other side's crap.
dixiechiken1
(2,113 posts)But this entire situation is a tinderbox right now. There is a global pandemic. People have been cooped up for two months. 40 million people unemployed. Economy is in the shitter. And a(nother) AA loses their life in a senseless act of hatred and blatant racism in America. The uncertainty and fear are palpable.
There's no excuse for violence... but sometimes, there are reasons for it.
rockfordfile
(8,701 posts)OnDoutside
(19,952 posts)Qutzupalotl
(14,300 posts)And I realize that sort of thing happens there. I just hate to see us become the mirror image of that.
Its a heavy burden, being the adults in the room, but the alternative seems to be endless escalation leading to a civil war.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)threaten officials that they don't like. They hung TWO democratic governors in effigy. And you are saying that the escalation has not reached a boiling point? What should our side do, keep turning the other cheek until they decide to shoot it off?
Igel
(35,293 posts)but they haven't hanged them.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Qutzupalotl
(14,300 posts)Bringing guns to a protest is intimidation, and thats not okay. Hanging people in effigy is also intimidation, also not okay. None of those cases so far has resulted in actual shooting or actual hanging, and thank goodness for that. We need to avoid escalating our responses well before we approach that point. I can foresee a time when such a response will be unavoidable, and I hope we are not there yet.
MLK favored non-violent methods, including peaceful civil disobedience, to draw attention to societal wrongs. I favor that over replicating the other sides methods. I realize that is a difficult path. I respect John Lewis, for instance, but I question whether I could muster the courage to face a harsh beating without responding in kind. But winning hearts and minds is more important than revenge, and that means keeping our ideals in mind as we consider how to respond. We are better than them, but we have to continue to show it and not sink to their level; because once we do, we deserve what will follow.
We are very near a tipping point, but I still have hope that a full-on civil war can be avoided.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)It should be treated as such.
Qutzupalotl
(14,300 posts)please consider what the other side thinks of our legitimate news outlets. If they ever become arbiters of what is allowed to air, we stand to lose a lot.
MoonlitKnight
(1,584 posts)Seems they like to dish it out but cant take it.
rockfordfile
(8,701 posts)Qutzupalotl
(14,300 posts)They did indeed pressure outlets to conform to a pro-war view, and that was reprehensible.
If I may rephrase for clarity, I dont want a mob deciding by force what is or isnt a legitimate news source. Better to use our free speech to point out their flaws and hypocrisy, rather than use intimidation or force.
This was a relatively mild incident, but it would not take much more to spiral out of control. Id rather we didnt go there.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)I would not recognize anyone from Fox. I agree with Tapper; not a good precedent.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)essme
(1,207 posts)has been spewing for over 20 years.
The RW media- including Rush Limbaugh-- have made sure people despise them. That mission was accomplished-- so, what in the hell made them think the protesters wouldn't chase them?
I agree- the press should NOT be treated this way, and while they did not deserve it, they are the victim of the hatred they have been promoting.
EXACTLY THIS. Well said, essme.
Fox and the right wing noise machine have been antagonizing people for decades. Last night one small bunch of them got the merest whiff of a taste on the tip of their tongues of the violence and animosity they've been brewing, and suddenly we all need to be civil and polite and don't you know how scared Vittert was? Conservatives have been inviting this backlash; it would be rude and not civil at all to refuse them.
maxrandb
(15,316 posts)there will be no Kumbaya moment.
You danced around the dogshit for decades, but you've really stepped in it now.
Stepped in it and smeared it all over the fabric of our society.
Don't think there's going to be a "let's move forward" call from this electorate.
There's a reckoning coming.
madinmaryland
(64,931 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)It's no better than MAGAt nazis doing this to CNN.
essme
(1,207 posts)wrong.
See my post above.
There aren't going to be a whole helluva lotta "right" going into riots.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)delisen
(6,042 posts)Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)Consequences!
F-F-N!