How Are People Going To Feel When Chauvin Gets Out On Bail?

[sfstaxprep]

Assuming he isn't already out. Coming up with 10% of $500K should not be too difficult. Especially if he hits up some of his comrades on the force to help him raise the funds.

[Wellstone ruled]

1. That will be another ugly

coming down the track. You will not find him in the Metro,count on it.

[agingdem]

2. think Rodney King..rage

on steroids...that's how they're going to "feel"

[mr_lebowski]

4. I don't think it will be any worse than it already is ...

If he's found not guilty, however ...

[agingdem]

11. I don't know...

I've lived through this...MLK, Freedom Riders, LA riots... this feels different because of Trump...loot/shoot/dogs...don't think he'll be exonerated...he'll get a slap on the wrist but it will feel like we've been punched in the gut...again

[essme]

3. I am praying his wife

has already left the house, and is somewhere safe.

[sop]

5. There's probably a GoFundMe account already set up to cover everything Chauvin requires.

Zimmerman raised over $200K online for his defense costs, and even auctioned off the gun he used to murder Trayvon Martin for $250K.

[lapucelle]

6. Where did you see that Chauvin has a GoFundMe? N/T

[sop]

7. Links:

Gun that killed Trayvon Martin 'makes $250,000 for Zimmerman' - BBC News

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36354206

Trayvon Martin’s killer George Zimmerman raises $200,000 through internet | National Post

https://nationalpost.com/news/zimmerman-uses-website-to-raise-us200000-for-his-defense

I wrote there's "probably" a gofundme site...give it a couple of days.

[lapucelle]

9. "Where did you see that Chavin has a GoFundMe?" was the question. N/T

[Drunken Irishman]

12. They said probably. Not that there was one.

The probably being based on the fact there were for other racist murderers.

[lapucelle]

15. So it's speculation based on the contention that Go Fund Me hosts fundraisers for racist murderers.

Got it.

[Drunken Irishman]

18. Yes. That's typically what the word probably means.

Trump is probably suffering from dementia. It's not fact, though, so I'm just speculating.

[lapucelle]

20. I don't mean to sound heavy-handed, but rumors and speculation are dangerous.

I remember what happened to these two guys.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/nypd-cops-assassinated-brooklyn-ambush/story?id=27738835

[Drunken Irishman]

30. I don't mean to be snarky but you seem to be wanting to pick a fight.

I don't get why you're so hell-bent on this. The poster clearly was making a point that, in the past, these assholes have had loyal supporters raise a bunch of dough for them.

No one is spreading rumors - they're making points to past events. You're the one who insisted on the poster proving something they never said. Again, why, I do not know. It's clear this is your line in the sand this afternoon and the fight you've decided to pick. So, good luck with that.

[lapucelle]

32. It was a line worth drawing, and I've already had "luck".

The person who posted this:



posted this within 30 minutes.

[sop]

33. Note: GoFundMe cannot crowdsource money for things like legal costs and expenses in cases of

criminal wrongdoing. But, they can and have allowed money to be raised for other forms of expenses..."like eveything Chauvin requires." I will assume Chauvin (I have no link for this for the link-addicted, so don't ask for one) will try to raise money for other things, like perhaps living expenses, etc. And other crowdsourcing sites do allow raising money for legal costs and expenses in cases of criminal wrongdoing, so I will also assume that supporters of Chauvin will do just that.

I realize certain people are extremely punctilious, so please forgive me - from the bottom of your heart - for having transgressed.

[Drunken Irishman]

34. lmao

You're either trolling by acting like a Karen or you're actually a Karen, and frankly, I hope it's the former.

You got on the poster's case for something that clearly was a throwaway comment by claiming they said something they didn't say. Your refusal to admit your wrongdoing is absurdly wild to me.

The poster's comment is absolutely with merit - your rude reply is not. It's likely this racist will easily come up with the funds, and support, needed to get out on bail. That's the overall point you're missing here by so daftly focusing on something that wasn't even said.

Remember: you're the one who incorrectly said the poster stated they had a GoFundMe. They did no such thing. When this was brought to your attention, instead of apologizing to the poster, which is the right thing to do, you double downed and attacked their message by suggesting they were spreading heavy-handed rumors and speculation.

You overreacted. You got called out on it and your response was ... to overreact even more. lmao

[lapucelle]

36. I asked the poster a question. A question is not a statement.

And it was a good enough question to get the poster to do some research.
And that research put lie to the claim, whether or not that claim was qualified with the word "probably".

And those are the facts, feigned laughter and personal invective notwithstanding.

[Drunken Irishman]

37. Your question was based on assumption that wasn't true.

[lapucelle]

38. The question was Socratic. N/T

[Drunken Irishman]

39. Sure.

[sop]

41. Put lie to what claim?

You are doggedly trying to make a point here, but no one seems to know exactly what it is. Demanding links is not employing the Socratic method, it's just a needless punctilious harangue.

[lapucelle]

42. It put lie to your claim about the probability of a GoFundMe page for Chauvin.

The questions were, indeed, Socratic in purpose, and the method worked. It led you to seek the facts.



Here's the point, in case anyone missed it: don't engage in baseless speculation.

[sop]

44. You're engaging in "sealioning," a specific form of trolling.

Sealioning (also spelled sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment which consists of pursuing people with persistent requests for evidence or repeated questions, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity. It may take the form of "incessant, bad-faith invitations to engage in debate".

[lapucelle]

45. I don't think responding to people is the same as pursuing them. N/T

[SlogginThroughIt]

43. Strangest line of questioning I have seen here.

[Mariana]

13. The poster did not claim that Chavin has a GoFundMe

and certainly did not claim to have seen one.

There's probably a GoFundMe account already set up to cover everything Chauvin requires.

Here's the definition of the word "probably" as the poster used it: insofar as seems reasonably true, factual, or to be expected : without much doubt

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/probably

[lapucelle]

17. So it's without much doubt that a Go Fund me page exists?

It's to be expected?
It seems reasonably true and factual?

Is there a link?

[USALiberal]

22. lighten up! nt

[sop]

14. Apparently GoFundMe prohibits raising money for police officers accused of crimes.

Last edited Sat May 30, 2020, 03:16 PM - Edit history (1)

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-gofundme-baltimore-cops-20150502-story.html

“'GoFundMe cannot be used to benefit those who are charged with serious violations of the law,'” said Kelsea Little, GoFundMe’s public relations manager. 'The campaign clearly stated that the money raised would be used to assist the officers with their legal fees, which is a direct violation of GoFundMe’s terms.'”

So there won't be a GoFundMe page for Derek Chauvin's legal and defense costs. I'm assuming other sites will raise money for him for other purposes, like they do in similar situations.

https://www.blackenterprise.com/over-500000-raised-for-ferguson-officer-darren-wilson-before-sites-shut-down/

"The Crowdfunding site GoFundMe faces pressure to shut down fundraising campaigns collecting money for controversial police officers accused of misconduct. The site has decided to shut down a campaign seeking funds for Daniel Ken Holtzclaw, an Oklahoma City police officer accused of sexually assaulting six women while on duty. But the site refused to stop the campaign raising funds for Darren Wilson, the Ferguson, Missouri, police officer who shot and killed unarmed teen Michael Brown last month. The 'Support Officer Wilson' fundraising efforts have amassed over $500,000 on GoFundMe and Facebook."

Other crowdfunding sites for legal expenses and costs:

https://www.disabled-world.com/disability/legal/legal-crowdfund.php

Some additional reading for the link-addicted:

"GoFundMe’s terms and conditions explicitly prohibit 'campaigns in defense of formal charges or claims of heinous crimes, violent, hateful, sexual or discriminatory acts.'

"GoFundMe company spokeswoman Kelsea Little also confirmed in that the site does not allow 'campaigns raising funds to benefit people who have been charged with violent crimes. Period.' She further clarified that such postings are removed.

"However, Funded Justice has no such limitation. Helfand noted that the site will allow any non-fraudulent legal campaign to fundraise.

"And while there are no easily locatable hate groups or terrorists groups on the site, there are some rather extremely serious charges represented, including rape, murder and child sexual abuse. In both linked cases, the fundraisers are for individuals who have been convicted of their respective crimes.

"Now violent criminals are just as legally entitled to a defense as any other U.S. citizen – on that there is not argument.

"But should we treat fundraising for a legal defense like it is the same thing as bringing a useful invention to market or paying for medical treatments? That it seems, is somewhat less certain."

https://www.pymnts.com/news/2015/crowdsourcing-and-legal-fees-crowdfunding-justice-or-crowdfunding-criminals/

[Laelth]

28. Excellent, informative post. Thank you. n/t

-Laelth

[BComplex]

8. The newscaster said the union will pay his bail and his attorneys' fees.

It's going to happen. The head of their union is a trump supporter and fan.

[lapucelle]

10. What "newscaster"? Do you have a ink?

[BComplex]

29. No link. It was on MSNBC the first or second night, even before he was arrested.

They were talking about the head of the police union, and how so many cops had already gotten away with this same stuff in Minneapolis.

[Mike 03]

16. I worry he could still be a danger to others

I would like to know what major stressor, if any, occurred prior to him murdering George Floyd.
Now he's had several more: being arrested for murder; and divorce, and his actions being the cause of nationwide protests including ones that have turned violent.

Two or more major stressors for an individual prone to violence, and his future not looking very bright. To me, that makes him potentially even more dangerous.

I've also been wondering if they are performing toxicology tests on him.

[BamaRefugee]

19. WAIT TIL HE GETS ACQUITTED. That's when it's gonna get real.

[Calculating]

21. There's no way...

I think I would be tempted to go burn something if that happened.

[BamaRefugee]

24. I live in LA and people said the same thing about Rodney King trial... Since 2005 only 35 officers

have been convicted in fatal shootings.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/police-officers-convicted-fatal-shootings-are-exception-not-rule-n982741

900 to 1000 people shot and killed every year by cops, so let's just conservatively say 10,000 people in 15 years. 35 convictions is only 0.0035% conviction rate.

[former9thward]

23. How do you feel when anyone is released on bail?

[BamaRefugee]

25. Innocent people are regularly released on bail. I don't have a problem with that.

[former9thward]

26. Guilty people are released everyday on bail.

The purpose of the bail system has nothing to do with guilt or innocence.

[BamaRefugee]

27. Of course they are. I work in the justice system.You just want everybody to stay in stir til trial?

I was saying that I'm glad people who are later proved innocent got out on bail.

Since there's no presumption of guilt, to not bail out guilty people also means NO ONE could post bail.

[Drunken Irishman]

31. I think their point is is that the bail system helps those with money, while screwing over the poor.

It's not a guilt/not guilty situation.

Plenty of rich, guilty people post bail.

Most those who don't post bail, however, aren't rich - and many are innocent.

[Vivienne235729]

35. Guaranteed, in jail or out on bond, he is a marked man.

[roamer65]

40. I certainly would not cry if I read of his death in the media.

I would probably do a little jig.