Was wondering where

[I_UndergroundPanther]

The good cops are?
Maybe looking at this question differently as in abusers/ sociopaths and enablers/bystanders scared of being abused by sociopath cops might be more accurate.

Think the Stanford prisoner study on a large scale.

Just a thought that occured to me.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. I am beginning to wonder whether people who start out as good cops

eventually can become at least complicit cops if not bad ones as over time they absorb the culture of their departments or succumb to pressure from their older colleagues - "This is the way we do things here."

[2naSalit]

9. That's what I have found to be

a rather common occurrence. I thought it was interesting that once I donned a badge, not LEO but federal authority to be recognized, all the cops in the county, local and sheriff as well as all the feds around, treated me differently immediately. And some folks I was acquainted with disowned me just as quickly.

It was interesting because I had no law enforcement authority where I could detain or cite anyone but the uniform and the badge did it for the "civilians"... I had jumped the tribe. As for the other badge wearers, what it meant was that I had joined the tribe of civil servants which also means I was investigated for acceptability into the tribe and passed muster but also that I took "the oath" that all, federal at least, civil servants take upon entry into employment. It's a strange thing, I instantly changed tribes by taking a job I wanted and for which I was almost overqualified.

I did notice that folks I've known who became cops were already a little on the controlling side but after they put on the badge, they changed. Some instantly, some gradually. They were more willing to share their thoughts after I became a tribal member. Upon discovery of the changes in each one, I made a choice as to whether I would interact with them any longer. I definitely cut some ties.

[Beringia]

2. I wondered about the defense strategy for the 3 cops who stood by

Are they going to say, they have orders to support the lead cop or that is what they do in their line of work?

[Jamastiene]

6. I wonder if the other three cops are even going to be arrested.

One of them was clearly a lookout and protector of the other three who were ALL on TOP of George Floyd, holding him down. There was no need for the one with his knee on Floyd's neck to even have he knee there or be on top of him. It was unnecessary. That is the kicker in all this. It was so unnecessary.

There was video on YouTube of another cop holding their knee on a protester's neck the same way. Another cop did remove his knee after people yelled for about a minute or two about it. That was good, but why did it take so long and why did the other cop do that knowing full well what this is all about in the first place?

There are more unanswered questions than answers. I think that is why the protests have gotten so widespread and front and center. Only one of the four was arrested. The others need to be arrested too. They stood by and did nothing to help in one case and helped hold Floyd down in the other two cases.

I still want to know why that timeline is so screwed up. He had no pulse by the time medical came to get him. They worked on him on the scene to try to revive him, but then his time of death is listed as way later.

Not one of the four have any excuse good enough to even make any kind of defense that is not a total sham.

[Beringia]

10. Kind of a different situation, but something similar

I type medical reports, and at some point I read that there was a problem with surgeons and the either co-surgeons or assistants, nurses, where if the surgeon was doing something, they could tell was wrong, and not correct medical procedure or the lead surgeon wasn't aware of some contributing factor, no one would say anything, because the surgeon was like god and you don't question them. You just follow along. But patients could die from the surgeon doing the wrong thing. So they made a policy that if you see the surgeon doing something wrong, you must step in and say something.

Also I think that the same thing happened in the airline industry, where a pilot might be making a mistake in running the airplane or navigation, and everyone just keeps quiet, because the rule is to follow in line with the head pilot. But the airline industry changed that too, and made it a instruction to always question the pilot if you think they are wrong, to go ahead and tell them what you are seeing. So overstep the head pilot's authority.

[Jamastiene]

3. There have been a few, but far too many are being bullies.

And now they are targeting the press. So, any hope of catching bad cops on video, at least, is lost now.

First they came for the press, then we don't know what happened after that.

There were a few cops who spoke out and even some who marched with protesters, but most I have seen have been doing everything from shoving numerous women* as hard as they can, macing people who are already on the ground and macing a kid, shoving elderly people, and attacking peaceful protesters to kick off the riots. The riots didn't just magically appear. Cops were egging it on until it happened.

*There have been numerous reports of cops shoving women as hard as they can, usually women who weren't even interacting with them or doing anything wrong. Then again, as a woman, I already knew cops hated women too. Anything that happens to us, they always tell us it was our fault, we asked for it, we deserved it.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

8. I agree with you

On one side the bullshit philosophy of NEO liberalism always blames victims of abuse,because if it's the victim fault,for the systemic repression poverty and abuse they face .

That way the people causing that systemic abuse and oppression can justify doing abuse and oppression because it's the victims fault they are victimized.

This false belief ends up excusing the abuser and oppressor and thier fucking hierarchy for themselves who harm and seek control over others well being..

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/15/neoliberalism-ideology-problem-george-monbiot

I also think the just world hypothesis is a problem excusing atrocity in people too.
https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-the-just-world-phenomenon-2795304

[Squinch]

4. Here's some. I pray this becomes a movement. ("Walk with us")

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213513122

[LakeArenal]

5. I think some precincts look for violent candidates.

They think tough is TOUGH!

[snowybirdie]

7. Hating all the hate

Here in DU against police officers in general. There are some very bad people in their ranks. And we're being inundated with them behaving badly in tv. Something must be done to the thugs in Minneapolis, I totally agree. But, these idiots aren't all police. I've been in a police family for over 50 years and know many officers. Most care about the job they did. Most care about serving and protecting. We need to weed out the bad apples and celebrate the good guys who are there when something bad happens to you and your loved ones.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

11. Could it be

The very structures of policing have become a huge Stanford prison experiment?

https://www.prisonexp.org/

In order there to be a "Dominant" or powerful over others,The not dominant will be made to be a lessor that is harmed with impunity by the powerful ones,who see themselves a dominate and entitled to harm others not of the domineering class.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

12. If you have 90 good cops, and 10 bad cops, how many bad cops do you have?

[I_UndergroundPanther]

13. If the 90 good cops

Turn away and do nothing as bad cops harm people,
They are all bad cops.