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idiotgardener

(509 posts)
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 09:18 PM Jan 2012

Groundbreaking Court Ruling Takes Dogs Beyond “Property” Status; Major Pet Industry Groups Not Happy

http://dogblog.dogster.com/2012/01/05/groundbreaking-court-ruling-takes-dogs-beyond-property-status-major-pet-industry-groups-not-happy/

A Texas appellate court has made the bold move of effectively taking dogs out of the “property” category and giving them increased legal status. It provides an updated reinterpretation of the law, which traditionally views pets as worth only their market value — like a table or a car.

The Second Court of Appeals in Fort Worth overturned a lower court’s ruling that a couple whose dog was wrongfully euthanized was entitled to damages for only the dog’s monetary worth. The new ruling allows for a dog’s true worth to be considered.
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Groundbreaking Court Ruling Takes Dogs Beyond “Property” Status; Major Pet Industry Groups Not Happy (Original Post) idiotgardener Jan 2012 OP
It's about time, for dogs and many other living things! freshwest Jan 2012 #1
I completely agree, but there's going to be a huge fight idiotgardener Jan 2012 #2
+1 kristopher Jan 2012 #16
GOOD! nt Raine Jan 2012 #3
Orchid is not a table. baldguy Jan 2012 #4
Orchid has the second best dogs ears I've ever seen idiotgardener Jan 2012 #6
Yeah, those are some serious ears!! Remember Me Jan 2012 #23
Did someone say EARS? 99Forever Jan 2012 #48
ROTFL laughing -- Remember Me Jan 2012 #52
What an adorable pup! QED Jan 2012 #7
She's a beauty. AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #13
beautiful dog Liberal_in_LA Jan 2012 #37
Julie isn't a rug, either HillWilliam Jan 2012 #41
But sometimes guitar man Jan 2012 #43
The nanny dog at work. baldguy Jan 2012 #44
Indeed guitar man Jan 2012 #46
Wow, and this happened in Texas Curmudgeoness Jan 2012 #5
Please don't ruin the post with Texas-bashing. idiotgardener Jan 2012 #9
Hooray! It's a solid step in the right direction. AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #8
Did you use the words "mercy for animals" on purpose? idiotgardener Jan 2012 #10
I did. AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #12
Two thumbs up idiotgardener Jan 2012 #14
Alright, I'm dragging out the Thoreau quote again. Some people like it: freshwest Jan 2012 #19
Good on you for that. flvegan Jan 2012 #30
Gus the Wonder Dog has a strong sense of his own value. Jackpine Radical Jan 2012 #11
Gus looks like a giant. How big is he? idiotgardener Jan 2012 #15
Maybe 130 lb, the biggest purebred Golden I know of. Jackpine Radical Jan 2012 #21
Heart and soul of a lion there. Thanks Jackpine. freshwest Jan 2012 #20
Sorry but these are a couple of my very close friends. Bonhomme Richard Jan 2012 #17
Beautiful - that's not a Redbone, is it? Remember Me Jan 2012 #24
He is actually a fox red lab. I never knew they existed until I saw him in the litter with... Bonhomme Richard Jan 2012 #26
well, they're both gorgeous Remember Me Jan 2012 #27
I could only watch the first few seconds...I feel hatred and lothing for those who abuse any animal. 1620rock Jan 2012 #18
+1 SammyWinstonJack Jan 2012 #38
I can't watch the video but I really believe there's a reason ALL serial killers have been napi21 Jan 2012 #39
Awesome! MoonRiver Jan 2012 #22
This is wonderful news -- and it reminds me Remember Me Jan 2012 #25
great news! Who knows, maybe the day is comming when we'll be able to euthanize corporations! n/t Joe Shlabotnik Jan 2012 #28
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!! PERFECT!!!!! Howler Jan 2012 #32
YAY!!!!!! Way past time! I'm with the other poster...... Howler Jan 2012 #29
In Defense of Animals has been promoting "The Guardian Campaign" for some time flvegan Jan 2012 #31
This might be a careful what you wish for situation Avis Jan 2012 #33
You beat me to it. Not an unmitigated blessing. Patiod Jan 2012 #36
Been there, done that.. 99Forever Jan 2012 #51
I see your point, but remember, there has to have been careloessness and wrong doing napi21 Jan 2012 #40
I know it is a shame that a thing like this will probalby be taken advantage of. My worry too.nt amyrose2712 Jan 2012 #47
Now time to include parrots nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #34
good news G_j Jan 2012 #35
I say: Let's replace corporate personhood with dog personhood Douglas Carpenter Jan 2012 #42
Now there's a good idea! treestar Jan 2012 #45
Besides.. 99Forever Jan 2012 #49
Why do they hate humans??/? theAntiRand Jan 2012 #50

idiotgardener

(509 posts)
2. I completely agree, but there's going to be a huge fight
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 09:34 PM
Jan 2012

Pet stores, puppy mills, rodeos and all the other industries that depend on the ability to abuse animals when it suits them are going to put up a big stink!

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
48. Did someone say EARS?
Sun Jan 8, 2012, 03:40 PM
Jan 2012

<a href="" target="_blank"><img src="" border="0" alt="Tuffy, Long Tail, Leo, and Pookie"></a>

 

Remember Me

(1,532 posts)
52. ROTFL laughing --
Sun Jan 8, 2012, 08:22 PM
Jan 2012

Let's see, I think I see 4 pups and about 12 individual ears. Is that right? They're adorable.

HillWilliam

(3,310 posts)
41. Julie isn't a rug, either
Sun Jan 8, 2012, 11:30 AM
Jan 2012

She's invaluable assistant. When she's off-duty, she's a great cuddlebuddy and friend.




Love Orchid's ears, too, with the little bent-over tips. That has always charmed me

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
5. Wow, and this happened in Texas
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 09:36 PM
Jan 2012

of all places. I am impressed. This is a long time coming, as all of us pet lovers already know.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
8. Hooray! It's a solid step in the right direction.
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 09:37 PM
Jan 2012

Now how about some mercy for animals in factory farming?

idiotgardener

(509 posts)
10. Did you use the words "mercy for animals" on purpose?
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 09:40 PM
Jan 2012

It's the name of the group doing some of the best undercover investigations in that area right now, in case you aren't familiar.

Their latest was Butterball turkeys... anyone who ate one for the holidays should be able to watch the video.

http://www.mercyforanimals.org/

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
12. I did.
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 09:44 PM
Jan 2012

I cannot watch their videos. Just taking a peek at a still photo and description of the abuse haunts me for weeks, no exaggeration. It seems the industry is a magnet for the most vile people, like moths to a flame.

idiotgardener

(509 posts)
14. Two thumbs up
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 09:46 PM
Jan 2012

And I can't watch those anymore either. I used to watch them all. Back when I thought that if people saw what went on, they would stop buying the "product"...

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
19. Alright, I'm dragging out the Thoreau quote again. Some people like it:
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 10:06 PM
Jan 2012

"I saw deep in the eyes of the animals the human soul look out upon me. I saw where it was born deep down under feathers and fur, or condemned for a while to roam four-footed among the brambles I caught the clinging mute glance of the prisoner and swore that I would be faithful." -Henry David Thoreau

It always makes me cry.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
21. Maybe 130 lb, the biggest purebred Golden I know of.
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 10:15 PM
Jan 2012

He can walk up to the kitchen table & put his head onto it to stare at the turkey or whatever on the platter--not that he would take anything off the table, even if left alone with it.

Gentle as a lamb, wonderful with kids (except for a tendency to unintentionally knock them over while playing).

 

Remember Me

(1,532 posts)
24. Beautiful - that's not a Redbone, is it?
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 10:32 PM
Jan 2012

I'm a little partial to hounds, it seems. I'm not sure that revelation is very flattering, but ... well, there it is. Hounds and labs and retrievers.

Bonhomme Richard

(9,000 posts)
26. He is actually a fox red lab. I never knew they existed until I saw him in the litter with...
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 10:45 PM
Jan 2012

yellows, blacks and a chocolate. Eight months old.
They are both rescues. The pups mother was a pregnant rescue.

 

Remember Me

(1,532 posts)
27. well, they're both gorgeous
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 10:55 PM
Jan 2012

I rescued a Redbone Hound once -- quite an experience. He was a pistol, and a LOT of fun. Too smart for his own good. We had to re-home him (and I found a wonderful teenager -- and dad, of course -- to send him home with!!) when he got old enough to want to challenge our alpha male lab-chow for dominance. I miss him still. EVERY dog we rescued and rehomed has a special place in my heart.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
39. I can't watch the video but I really believe there's a reason ALL serial killers have been
Sun Jan 8, 2012, 11:22 AM
Jan 2012

found to have abused and tourtured animals when they were young. There's something inately wrong with anyone who abuses animals.

 

Remember Me

(1,532 posts)
25. This is wonderful news -- and it reminds me
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 10:35 PM
Jan 2012

of some of the changes to disaster and preparedness plans that happened after people REFUSED to leave NOLA before and even after Katrina if their pets couldn't go too, and similar situations elsewhere.

It's always heartening to see a wee little bit of humanity break out, isn't it?

Howler

(4,225 posts)
29. YAY!!!!!! Way past time! I'm with the other poster......
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 11:54 PM
Jan 2012

That said its time to do this for feed animals too!

Heres what my girls think of the case!




Quark says "'We are movin up!!!!!"




Thurber says" Hmmmp Absolutely worth more then any property!"








E. Rigby Says "Surely you don't mean for cats too!"

Avis

(150 posts)
33. This might be a careful what you wish for situation
Sun Jan 8, 2012, 01:01 AM
Jan 2012

I've already heard vets are concerned about liability over treatment and plan on doing more defensive medicine. Of course anyone with a pet already knows that it is enormously expensive
to go to the vet already, so how many more pets will never see a vet when it gets so expensive. My vet is saying he is no longer seeing any puppies come in, it is evident in membership in national breed clubs too, the loss of responsible breeders is evident everywhere. I suppose the people that don't really care about being responsible will always be there. Pet grooming friends are concerned about this situation, as would be boarding kennels etc. How much would a pet be worth if something happened? While all of us that love our pets think they are irreplaceable, this might not be the best way to help all pets. Probably good for insurance companies, but maybe that will be the only ones that come out on this. Certainly sad when innocent creatures die from contaminated pet food, bad humane society practices, veterinary error, etc.. but hopefully there are laws in place to oversee these issues. Hopefully it is not just going to be high premiums for insurance companies to collect as the pet care people get scared of what could happen to them.

Patiod

(11,816 posts)
36. You beat me to it. Not an unmitigated blessing.
Sun Jan 8, 2012, 11:11 AM
Jan 2012

Vet care is already expensive, and this isn't going to help.

I already have to fight my vet, who recommends constant, expensive tests for my elderly dog at just about every visit. I'm unemployed, and free-lancing, and only periodically running in the black, which they know, but still continue to push for more testing.

(Yes, I know I need a less money-grubbing clinic that's not trying to pay off a huge new building, but the dog is 12 and these folks know him and have his extensive records)

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
51. Been there, done that..
Sun Jan 8, 2012, 05:27 PM
Jan 2012

.. and then changed vets. Next door neighbors introduced us Dr Stan F. Has an office in his home, 3 blocks from us. His daughter is his receptionist/assistant and he charges literally half of what "clinics" in the area do. Only does needed testing and tries to always look for the least expensive, effective treatment when there is an issue. We got very lucky.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
40. I see your point, but remember, there has to have been careloessness and wrong doing
Sun Jan 8, 2012, 11:26 AM
Jan 2012

to get money from someone.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
49. Besides..
Sun Jan 8, 2012, 03:43 PM
Jan 2012

.. we only thought we owned them, when the exact opposite is true.

Seriously though. It's about time.

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