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Sun Jun 14, 2020, 10:31 PM

Trump walking down the ramp. Observation: Trump's left leg takes the step and the right

leg catches up. Left leg take the step and the right catches up. He tried to have the right go forward once and had to pause and went back to left foot and then the right. So, something is up with the right side. It was that side that the right arm could left the water but the wrist could not tip the cup up to drink water and needed the other hand to tip it. He holds his right arm to body without movement on a lot of his walking too.

Oh, the step he was taking down the ramp caught my attention because I sprang my ankle a couple weeks ago and going down the stairs I had to step down with good ankle and then sprained ankle had to come to that step so I could step down on the good ankle.

And as for his bday. I thought the man was older than Biden. I thought he was in his 80's. I really did. He moves like a man much older than 74 yrs young.

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Reply Trump walking down the ramp. Observation: Trump's left leg takes the step and the right (Original post)
LizBeth Jun 2020 OP
nolabear Jun 2020 #1
LizBeth Jun 2020 #7
Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2020 #25
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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 10:35 PM

1. Yes. He swings that leg when he walks and the arm is unsteady.

There are a coupe of examples, like the water, of his right arm needing steadying. I didn’t think this was a real trend for a while but I’ve seen enough consistency to make me think something is up.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 10:46 PM

7. +1

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Response to nolabear (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 12:51 AM

25. Why not take the glass in good left hand?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #25)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 12:55 AM

28. I have considered that also. If right is weak, grab left hand.One would think a person would adapt.

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #28)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 10:51 AM

60. Habit, because he is right handed?

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 10:37 PM

2. numbness/weakness in the extremities on one side is a pretty common result of a stroke.......

did we ever find out why he had that unannounced rushed trip to Walter Reid? The one they said was for a "physical".

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Response to Takket (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 10:46 PM

8. That is the event I consider too.

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 01:11 AM

43. Same!

He sure looks as if mild stroke victim to me.

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Response to Takket (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 02:41 PM

76. Yes, he had a stroke as this is a major sign for sure. That explains too the rush trip....

..off the WH grounds to the hospital. Bet they did a scan of his head.....and found nothing!

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 10:43 PM

3. I watched the videos that showed both incidents & this is whaat I thought. Many times I have to use

both hands to drink from a glass. That's because I have shaky hands, and some times they are worse than others * I need to stead the glass with both so it doesn't spill. hen I saw gum I instantly thought "Oh, he's nervous about something." Walking down the ramp looked like he was unsteady and there was no railing to hold onto. That could also be from bad nerves. It sounds odd to me, but maybe he was nervous about speaking at West Point?

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 10:44 PM

4. Every odd physical quirk he exhibits...

can be found on a list of symptoms for ALS (Lou Gehrig's Disease). Progressively worsening symptoms.

[link:https://www.ninds.nih.gov/Disorders/Patient-Caregiver-Education/Fact-Sheets/Amyotrophic-lateral-Sclerosis-ALS-Fact-Sheet|]

What are the symptoms?

The onset of ALS can be so subtle that the symptoms are overlooked but gradually these symptoms develop into more obvious weakness or atrophy that may cause a physician to suspect ALS. Some of the early symptoms include:

fasciculations (muscle twitches) in the arm, leg, shoulder, or tongue
muscle cramps
tight and stiff muscles (spasticity)
muscle weakness affecting an arm, a leg, neck or diaphragm.
slurred and nasal speech
difficulty chewing or swallowing.

For many individuals the first sign of ALS may appear in the hand or arm as they experience difficulty with simple tasks such as buttoning a shirt, writing, or turning a key in a lock. In other cases, symptoms initially affect one of the legs, and people experience awkwardness when walking or running or they notice that they are tripping or stumbling more often.

When symptoms begin in the arms or legs, it is referred to as “limb onset” ALS. Other individuals first notice speech or swallowing problems, termed “bulbar onset” ALS.

Regardless of where the symptoms first appear, muscle weakness and atrophy spread to other parts of the body as the disease progresses. Individuals may develop problems with moving, swallowing (dysphagia), speaking or forming words (dysarthria), and breathing (dyspnea).

Although the sequence of emerging symptoms and the rate of disease progression vary from person to person, eventually individuals will not be able to stand or walk, get in or out of bed on their own, or use their hands and arms.

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Response to ARPad95 (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 10:48 PM

9. Oh tongue, remember some of that tongue movement we see. And walking down ramp, odd stuff with lips.

Interesting. Thanks.

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Response to ARPad95 (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 11:10 PM

14. My dad died of ALS and trump's symptoms don't look like ALS. It doesn't affect one side of the body

like a stroke can, which is much more consistent with the symptoms I've seen.

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Response to catbyte (Reply #14)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 11:17 PM

16. Everyone progresses differently with ALS.

[link:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2077699/|]

The patient gradually developed spasticity, increased tendon reflexes, and weakness in both legs and both arms, more severe on the right side.


[link:https://www.mda.org/disease/amyotrophic-lateral-sclerosis/signs-and-symptoms|]

ALS typically announces itself with persistent weakness or spasticity in an arm or leg (80 percent of all cases), causing difficulty using the affected limb.


https://www.massgeneral.org/neurology/als/patient-education/diagnosing-als

Muscle weakness (which is often only on one side of the body, such as one arm or one leg) as well as changes in the character of the individual’s voice (especially slurred words or slowness of speech).

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Response to ARPad95 (Reply #16)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 11:53 PM

20. Still doesn't look like ALS. I've worked with ALS patients since my dad died in 2000.

I still say it's more likely a stroke or dementia, but I guess we'll see eventually.

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Response to catbyte (Reply #20)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 12:00 AM

21. Yes, all anyone can do is speculate at this point until he has an official diagnosis. /nt

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Response to ARPad95 (Reply #21)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 01:21 AM

46. Which they(magats) will try to hide forever.

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Response to ARPad95 (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 12:47 AM

23. How does this apply to either FTD (Frontal Temporal Dementia), or Untreated Neurosyphilis?

I'm thinking he's a zebra with many different things going on neurologically.

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Response to Lithos (Reply #23)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 12:55 AM

27. Yes... The tilting forward. And ... How he turns his head

at people who are speaking. Most people pivot their eyes.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #27)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 01:10 AM

42. Tim Green, former NFL player, lawyer and author, & ALS

[link:|]

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Response to Lithos (Reply #23)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 12:59 AM

34. Latest research shows pure ALS & pure FTD are at either ends of a spectrum and

a combo of both in between.

[link:https://www.theaftd.org/what-is-ftd/ftd-and-als-ftd-als/|]

The discovery in 2011 that the C9orf72 gene mutation can cause both FTD and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) has transformed a long held belief that ALS is ‘purely’ a movement disorder and that FTD is ‘purely’ a cognitive or behavioral form of dementia.

It is now recognized that the C9orf72 gene is the most common gene causing hereditary FTD, ALS and ALS with FTD. We now know that several other genes can also cause both diseases. FTD or frontotemporal degeneration is a progressive brain disease with changes in behavior, personality, and language dysfunction due to loss of nerve cells in the frontal and temporal lobes. ALS is a neurodegenerative disease with loss of upper (located in the brain) and lower (located in the spinal cord) motor neurons that leads to paralysis, dysphagia, dysarthria and eventually respiratory failure.

Describing the clinical syndrome where both FTD and ALS occur in the same person has been an area of active research and our knowledge of the underlying genetics, pathology and clinical features is still unfolding. At present, the most comprehensive description found in the research literature refers to this complex as ALS-Frontotemporal spectrum disorder.


[link:http://www.alsa.org/research/focus-areas/cognitive-studies/|]

Although earlier studies described some degree of cognitive change in a percentage of people living with ALS, it is only recently widely recognized and more clearly defined, especially in light of the discovery of genetic mutations linked to both ALS and frontotemporal dementia (FTD). ALS and FTD are now considered a spectrum disorder with pure ALS or pure FTD at either end of the spectrum and ALS combined with FTD to varying degrees. People suffering from cognitive changes, as seen in FTD, show change in personality and in mental processes.

Cognitive changes appear in several degenerative disorders of the nervous system, such as Parkinson’s disease (PD) and Alzheimer’s disease (AD). FTD differs from the dementia in Alzheimer’s disease in that memory stays intact, but other higher order functions such as decision-making, foresight and speech can become severely impaired. The gene mutations and proteins identified for AD and FTD are distinct and the affected regions of the brain differ.

Frontotemporal refers to the forward part of the brain that sits above the eyes and behind the temples. Lowering of the function of this region can lead to impulsive, compulsive, and emotional behavior.

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 10:44 PM

5. Could be the less common result of a stroke

Right side neglect:

Stated too simply to provide the concept: a stroke on the left side of the brain can affect the right side of the body.

More commonly, stroke victims have left side neglect - the other side of the brain suffers the damage from a stroke.

It could explain his problem with the water drinking and walking.

Could explain some of his other dementia like symptoms.
He's probably having TIAs - little strokes - which would explain some of his speech problems.

The guy is under incredible stress. Juggling 18,000+ lies, pressure from Putin, Roger Stone or others who are blackmailing him, financial pressures on a business that has always been a house of cards, all kinds of litigation for personal suits and congress, lousy polls, unable to trust anyone in the GOP except those he's blackmailing, potential scrutiny for tax evasion, facing jail if he loses the election, etc.

He's a cardiovascular event waiting to happen - if it hasn't been happening already - as it appears it has.

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 10:49 PM

10. +1

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 12:56 AM

29. What is left side neglect?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #29)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 06:19 AM

52. "What is left neglect and who does it affect?"

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #52)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 08:59 AM

57. Thanks. Should have looked it up myself. So looking at

at this more closely, his right hand is ok, but he feels the need to force his left hand to awkwardly "participate"? His neglected side is his left side. Correct?


No, you are saying the opposite.. his left side is ok, it's his right side he thinks he needs help with.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #57)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 12:04 PM

65. Yes, his left hand appears to be helping his right hand

that cannot tip the glass

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 10:45 PM

6. thinking mild stroke some time in the recent past

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #6)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 11:08 AM

63. Remember the emergency 'advance physical' he was hustled off to?

There was obviously something going on there, he was in medical distress.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #63)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 11:09 AM

64. exactly

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 10:54 PM

11. I've also been noticing

right sided symptoms.

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 11:06 PM

12. DU Doctors!!! nt

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Response to USALiberal (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 11:09 PM

13. Hardly a doctor, merely observations. Even a layman can observe.

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 11:13 PM

15. Yup! It's obvious he has a health issue(s) affecting his fine and gross motor skills. /nt

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Response to ARPad95 (Reply #15)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 06:56 AM

54. Actually, what has been known for some time is that he has a phobia about stairs.

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Response to onenote (Reply #54)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 10:34 AM

59. I thought he claimed to be a germaphobe? The ramp at West Point was not stairs.

He has a fear of falling due to declining (no pun intended) motor skills and mobility. He was so "worried" in his tweets about President Obama taking a fall and looking unpresidential. Falling. That's Trump's fear. Not a long held phobia of stairs or 1:12 slope wheelchair ramps.

He had no problem riding down an escalator at the start of his campaign for president. An escalator is far more fear inducing than a simple set of stairs to come down. He didn't have to use any gross motor skills to ride down the escalator just like he doesn't have to use them to ride around in a cart on a golf course. He knows he has serious problems with maintaining balance and that's why he fears going down stairs or an ADA-approved ramp. He knows he can easily fall.

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Response to onenote (Reply #73)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 02:20 PM

75. I guess it's a question of "which came first, the chicken or the egg?"

Did he have a phobia of stairs first or did he start having mobility/balance issues first? Either way, he is afraid of coming down stairs and ramps and he is having mobility/balance issues.

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #13)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 12:57 AM

30. Bet we have seen him a million times more than a doctor would have.

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 11:29 PM

17. I am not a doctor but I think Parkinson's stage 2

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Response to doc03 (Reply #17)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 11:33 PM

18. +1

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Response to doc03 (Reply #17)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 12:58 AM

32. Have we seen any tremors? I have not

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #32)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 01:00 AM

35. I was wondering the same. We have seen one hand grab and hold onto his other hand.

A lot of people with tremors does that.

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #35)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 01:05 AM

39. Yet if I was a uber vain as trump I would not pick up my

glass with the weak side hand. Unless it's just out of total habit and he forgets?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #39)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 01:08 AM

41. Right. I can see him forgetting here and there. Same when walking down conscious three steps and

then like the fourth step forgot and tried to go forward on the right and had to pause.

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #41)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 01:30 AM

47. Ew.. happens to me once in a blue moon - bowling :)

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 11:44 PM

19. Trumps baby steps

It wouldnt surprise me one bit if he did it on purpose just to get everyone talking about it and to distract from all his criminal activity.

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 12:39 AM

22. Happy Birthday Mad King Trump!

Not many left!

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 12:48 AM

24. But he can still swing a golf club since that's mostly the left arm. nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #24)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 12:58 AM

31. Interesting that the power comes from left. Trump playing golf though kinda rains on all this

supposition.

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #31)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 02:02 AM

49. You can be pretty close to death and still play golf, judging by some old golfers I know.

One can barely walk due to a bad hip replacement and scoliosis of the back. But his left arm still works so he can still swing a club, even if he looks like Quasimodo doing it. And the golf cart takes him everywhere, so he doesn’t need to walk. He actually has a pretty good drive, better than his putting.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #49)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 02:05 AM

50. Very cool. Good info, I did not know.

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 12:54 AM

26. Plus Dimwit's right hand and arm can't lift a tiny glass to his pie hole.

Good observations, LizBeth! Something is wrong with his right side.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #26)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 12:59 AM

33. +1

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 01:02 AM

36. Posters mentioned the surprise trip for medical care. I believe that was Nov, 2019.

Before that, he had difficulty navigating stairs at Chequers in U.K. He had to hold onto Theresa May to stabilize himself while walking down stairs. That was summer, 2019.

Whatever is wrong with him, it is not a new disease.

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Reply #36)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 01:03 AM

37. Remember having to use a golf cart while all the world leaders walked.

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 01:04 AM

38. He is exhibiting all the classic symptoms of a Dotard

Kim Jung-un called it!

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 01:06 AM

40. I think he's high as a kite

every single day.
The slurs, the unsteadiness, the anger, the droopy sounding speeches he gives reading off the teleprompter.
The fact that he can't stand still.
Watch him if someone else is at the podium and he's behind.
He can't focus and just moves his body sideways to turn. He's fucked up.
Every single day.

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Response to LittleGirl (Reply #40)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 01:36 AM

48. Excellent points.. there's so damn much.. I tend

to forget some of it.

Now that you mention it.. that tweet was posted here about him not being about to stand still. Can't find it though..

And, speaking of "high as a kite".. whatever he takes.. if it's Adderall for instance.. it's bound to have long term detrimental side effects after so many years!

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Response to Cha (Reply #48)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 06:09 AM

51. I've been around people

that are stoned, high on narcotics etc, and he behaves the same.
Can’t stand still, can’t focus his eyes, gets dizzy and slurs. Jerky hand movements and stumbling over their words. High as a kite. The dude is wasted.

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Response to LittleGirl (Reply #51)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 06:50 AM

53. Yes, we don't have to be "doctors" to

see that. It's way beyond Red Bull.

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Response to Cha (Reply #53)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 09:41 AM

58. Yup. Some events, he's totally sober

so it makes the high ones that much more obvious.

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Response to Cha (Reply #48)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 11:05 AM

62. All those years

of snorting Adderall. He's fucked up alright. He thinks he can fool us not all of are like his cult, Ignorant and arrogant.

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 01:16 AM

44. Remember the time 6 months or so back when he went to Walter Reed for his "annual checkup"?

I can't remember the whole story, but did note that it was an odd time to get an annual physical and it was not scheduled, then nothing was released about it. I wonder if he is suffering mini-strokes.

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Response to dem in texas (Reply #44)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 01:19 AM

45. It was a Saturday too, I think. No tie either. Afternoon out of the blue.

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 07:00 AM

55. Why do all the DU doctors ignore the simplest explanation: his reported fear of stairs.

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Response to onenote (Reply #55)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 12:13 PM

67. There is that and that was my first consideration with the ramp. Being one with ridiculously absurd

extreme fear of height he would have been well aware of that ramp and already figured how he was going to get down it and one of the foremost action would have been not to be on the outer side of the thing. but the side the military man was on. But yes, the little steps and inching way down, then see he is at the end and have the flourish couple last steps, triumphant, would work.

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 07:18 AM

56. I don't wish ill health on anyone.

I just want him to pack up his little MAGA bag and move out. Buh-by.

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 11:05 AM

61. He probably needs physical and occupational therapy,

but his bloated ego won't let him admit he has a problem(s).

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 12:12 PM

66. I think for a narcissist who needs constant praise and positive attention, all the negative

attention, pressure etc. from all over the world is extremely hard on his health. He also doesn't exercise as he even rides around in a golf cart when playing golf. He doesn't eat healthy and just being hateful has to be hard on your health.

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #68)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 12:23 PM

71. So the lift is inside the shoe putting his heal well up and almost out of the shoe?

That would make it hard to walk, I imagine.

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 12:14 PM

69. That is how I do the stairs

For me it had/has to do with weight. I have recently lost 80 pounds and can do stairs normally now but I still have to remind myself. It's become a habit that I now have to break.

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Response to Marrah_Goodman (Reply #69)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 12:26 PM

72. Good health for you. Because it makes life that much lighter.

Being old, I know I approach the stairs differently today than I did a decade or two ago. Either of my ankles could give going down.

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 12:18 PM

70. If he and Joe actually debate

I would love for Joe to challenge him to basic flexibility and dexterity exercises....since he called Hillary's health and stamina into question, it would be a brilliant surprise attack on Trump, but also because it would show that Joe is more physically (and mentally) fit than Primate Trump.

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Mon Jun 15, 2020, 02:08 PM

74. I wonder if the republican leadership knows he has a problem but are hiding it to get the

judges they want and get everything else they want. I keep going back to that trip to Walter Reed.

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