Protest in Tulsa plays RIGHT into the mad-maniplular's

[Laura PourMeADrink]

(tiny) hands. Their big news... "horrible. horrible" people outside."

I have never seen a more masterful but sinister display of spin, ever. Just like the Netflix documentary chronicled in NYC, he is the master at personal PR.

IMHO, if you want to be honest, we are in for a huge uphill climb here. How do you fight against utter unabashed lies and spin and mistruths?

Say everything is great, but if you pull away, and think big picture, unless someone hires some brilliant ad men and psychiatrists and media savvy and great strategists, we are in for 4 more horrible years.

[we can do it]

1. Don't think so.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

25. Ok

[Nevilledog]

2. And where are you seeing proof of these protesters doing horrible horrible things?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

5. They need zero proof. Just pictures

[Nevilledog]

7. And where are these pictures?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

9. MSNBC, and trust me Fox is cropping as we speak.

[Nevilledog]

11. Only picture I've seen is a white guy foaming at the mouth yelling at a black guy.

I guess I'll withhold further comment until these pictures appear.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

26. Ok

[obamanut2012]

88. nope, no pics like that

none

[rockfordfile]

3. Majority of Americans will not vote for trump this year

[Ron Green]

6. He doesn't need a majority of Americans.

He needs only a sliver of voters in certain districts in certain states.

[Drunken Irishman]

14. No but a majority will vote for Biden and that will be enough.

Had Hillary won a majority of the vote nationally, she's president right now.

[Laelth]

40. Please rephrase or clarify.

Hillary DID win at least a PLURALITY of the vote, but she’s not President now.

I agree with your premise, however. A majority should be enough.

-Laelth

[Drunken Irishman]

45. No.

I stand my point: Had Hillary won a MAJORITY of the vote, she would be president today.

She did not.

That little bit of vote that went third party is what killed her. The whole point is that Trump only became president because Hillary could only win a plurality of the vote in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.

[Laelth]

47. I didn't disagree with you.

Be at peace, my passionate friend.



-Laelth

[MrsCoffee]

101. She did win.

With millions more votes.

The treasonous mother fuckers cheated her in every way possible.

[ProfessorGAC]

111. But Again, Not A Majority

The EC victory was based upon razor thin margins.
If HRC got enough votes to get a true majority, razor thin margins would not have existed.
The poster specifically referenced a majority. The conclusions drawn about the outcome are valid.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

28. +1. And he knows EXACTLY where he needs what. And

EXACTLY where he needs to suppress/brainwash/Facebook smear.

[Demsrule86]

49. He is going to lose. This is nothing like 2016.

[tulipsandroses]

4. So far the protest is peaceful. People are yelling, but its not violent

A trump fan at the rally was asked what he thought about the protesters there- His answer was he was in Paris for the yellow vest protests and this does not even compare to that. He said the only thing he had a problem with was being pepper sprayed. He had a problem with law enforcement, not the protesters. So even that narrative looks like it is going to backfire

[Laura PourMeADrink]

17. But even though you are of course right, truth, on his side DOES NOT matter.

[Demsrule86]

51. His side is shrinking. No reason for doom and gloom.

[napi21]

8. I just tuned into MSNBC & they're saying DT disappointed in turnout & the cancelation of a

Milliom people march which was to follow his BS inside. I never heard of this march. Apparently DT must have tried to gin it up. I see a lot of people outside but they don't look like they're protesting? I also see at least some masks!

[tulipsandroses]

10. Tulsa PD Twitter Feed Says BLM Protest is peaceful

So if he was expecting chaos. He didn't get it. Just like he didn't get his 100,000 crowd.

[Dream Girl]

12. I don't event get wat you're saying...

[smirkymonkey]

15. Neither do I.

Did I miss something? I'm confused. Looked like a complete flop to me and they were the losers tonight.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

18. Did you watch his rally? He is the most profound spin master ever to exist

[SoonerPride]

20. You must be joking

He’s a half witted moron who does a bad job at lying

TV preachers are smooth and silver tongued liars.

dump is a moron

[Laura PourMeADrink]

24. Ok.

[smirkymonkey]

21. He's completely full of shit, and the only people that are going to buy it are the cult

members who are already on board. He is not going to convince another soul that anything he said was even remotely true. He's like the boy who cried wolf. Nobody is susceptible to his gaslighting anymore. He is a joke and everyone knows it.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

23. Ok.

[jcgoldie]

27. Baloney

He's a halfwit.

[Dream Girl]

33. Only for some one dumber than him.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

34. Which is most of the country

[Cha]

50. No it isn't.

[Demsrule86]

52. He was pathetic. He was covered in sweat and looked sick. His speech

Sucked also. His fans looked bored and some were sleeping...over before 9 30.

[obamanut2012]

89. lol yeah no

wtaf

[greenjar_01]

44. Laura basically always finds a way to tell us that Trump's winning

It's like a special gift of hers.

My advice is to politely ignore.

[Cha]

53. I tried to.. until this was posted.. smh

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13627995

[greenjar_01]

72. Ooooof

Working overtime tonight!

[Demsrule86]

54. It was a disaster for him.

[obamanut2012]

90. .....

yup, always

[Codeine]

84. It's the same old FUD this person always dispenses.

A constant drumbeat of negativity and hopelessness.

[Drunken Irishman]

13. This is just a bad take.

The narrative right now is that Trump's rally is a flop.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

19. The narrative where? On CNN? MSNBC? Missing the point.

[Drunken Irishman]

32. Yes.

CNN has been talking about it all day.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

MSNBC too.

Look at the top twitter trends as well:



Brad trending at #7 is for people mocking Brad Parscale, the head of Trump's reelection campaign, for how bungled the rally was.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

36. Of course you get it... It's not about us or CNN or MSNBC its

about a crazy man who can manipulate many minds based on lies and spin. My intuition, after watching the MF'ing speech is that we need to figure something big out to combat this.

[Drunken Irishman]

39. The minds he manipulate are already manipulated.

What the story will be is that Trump held a rally, despite a pandemic, where six of his staffers tested positive, and instead of having a packed house, like he was so used to in 2016, half the arena sat empty.

Oh and the President proved he could drink water.

Trust me. No one, outside the inner-circle of Trump's deranged fan base, is talking about 'very bad people'.

Here's some headlines when you search 'Tulsa':

BBC News: Donald Trump: Tulsa rally fails to draw expected crowds amid virus fears

NBC News: A rambling Trump returns to campaign trail with routine speech to smaller-than-expected crowd

The Guardian: Don't call it a comeback: Trump's Tulsa rally was just another sad farce

Yahoo! News: Trump back in rally form in Tulsa, but the promised crowd doesn't show

Financial Times: Trump relaunches campaign before reduced crowd in Tulsa

Washington Post: Trump gives grievance-filled speech to unfilled arena as protests stay mostly peaceful

Bloomberg: Trump Reboots Rallies in Tulsa With Smaller Crowd Than Promised

You get the idea.

This went way better for Biden than I could have ever imagined. Tonight was a disaster for Trump.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

55. None of the sources low info's look to, but appreciate you pulling

all that together! I hope you are right...but my intuition is telling me that his ability to spin everything, including COVID victim lives lost to his advantage, will work. Sadly, see his approval #s rising. People were doubting him but he explained it all away.

[Drunken Irishman]

61. I guess the way I see it is this way...

Those who hear that narrative are likely already supporting Trump anyway and are lost causes.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

66. I would totally agree if approval #s were stable. But they have not been.

he has steadily ticked down in the last month. Getting him close to 40 is what we need to offset rigging/suppression. If he gains support back up to 45 he can explain away a manufactured "win".

Hope this recent dip holds. Hope you are right and I am wrong.

[Demsrule86]

56. I watched the coverage on both CNN and MSNBC. It wasnt good for Trump

at all.

[BannonsLiver]

82. Yeah, but very on brand.

[StarfishSaver]

16. Anybody who falls for anything Trump says about the protesters tonight is already voting for him

[Laura PourMeADrink]

22. True. But if you listened to him it is very obvious that we are

seeing a master manipulator that we (Biden team) need to be prepared for. And it won't take typical political savvy, it will take big guns. How do you fight against utter lies and spin? Zero truth?

BTW, listened to rw talk before rally since only network showing it before it started. The main talking points will be:
1) never ran anything
2) beholden to CC companies in DE
3) can't effectively communicate, dis
oriented.
4) never had a unique idea.

NOT pushing or agreeing. Not pushing right wing talking points...just pointing out what THEY will say against our candidate and we had better be prepared.

[Demsrule86]

58. Oh please. BIDEN IS FINE.

Trump is losing.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

71. Hope u are right. You watched the speech, right.?

[Demsrule86]

114. Yes I did. Trump was awful. He was sweaty and really said nothibg. He got

What I call polite applause...not enthusiastic applause. The one arrest of the teacher looked bad too. The protestors were fine. And he was humiliated by the crowd size. The picture of him getting off the plane at the white house showed a disappointed dispirited slovenly Trump.

[Maru Kitteh]

79. "Master" manipulator? PLZ. He can't even master baiter anymore

So much winning you try to give him

[obamanut2012]

91. Well, yes, you ARE pushing RW talking points

I mean, you LITERALLY are watching some unnamed RW source and running here to post how Biden sucks and will lose. That is literally pushing RW talking points. Literally.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

112. I was watching Dipshits rally which on Fox. I was interpreting what he

Was saying, acting, spewing, to try and understand how to counteract a VERY dangerous opponent. If we don't figure out how to combat outright lies we could very well lose. Never ever said Biden sucked! Hell I have been on his team since day 1. Never has to switch from anyone else.

[Demsrule86]

115. I don't see that at all. He is a failed president. The economy alone will destroy him...

But we also have a pandemic and civil unrest.He is going to lose.

[blogslut]

29. Their arguments will come up lame.

I'll defer to Michael Musto:

Link to tweet

michael musto @mikeymusto

So the spin is that "radical activists" stopped people from entering!!!! Wow!!! The power of "Antifa"!!! But I could have sworn Hillary did it!!!!

Imagine stopping a million people from entering???

[Laura PourMeADrink]

35. Don't you see I know that it's BS, you know that, MM does as well

But it's not us, we already know.

[Demsrule86]

59. Only those already voting for him, will care what he said.

[cayugafalls]

30. I think we will be prepared. I am sure dump is going to go all in and get very nasty.

But Joe can handle himself. He will be prepared by the best.

So long as he remains cool and slams dumps criminality, record, lies, economy and more lies, we win.

We have to win.

Go ahead and let me pour you that drink my friend, you deserve it.

[njhoneybadger]

31. The Lincoln Project has his number, Justice Roberts is worried about his legacy. Polls are good.

It's not all that bad. I do agree with you the smart move for protesters would have been to totally ignore Tulsa.

[Laelth]

37. No. This rally was a complete failure.

Last edited Sun Jun 21, 2020, 12:57 AM - Edit history (1)

No amount of spin can cover up this truth. I am not worried about it.

-Laelth

[FreepFryer]

38. I thought peddling right wing talking points on DU wasn't permitted. (Nt)

[Cha]

60. It's so weird! pumping up BLOTUS on DU as some kind

of fucking master mind.

[FreepFryer]

62. My days of not taking some folks on DU seriously are certainly coming to a middle.

[Cha]

63. lol

[Cha]

65. PS.. BLOTUS sounds like a Fucking Idiot.. Not a "master mind"..

Link to tweet

[FreepFryer]

67. It's almost as if the OP wants to nullify this important Trump weakness moment. nt

[Cha]

70. Right.. Not working though.

[FreepFryer]

74. You can unscrew a lightbulb, but not Trump. Sad. (n/t)

[Laura PourMeADrink]

75. Wtf. I am not peddling any such thing. Only a disrupter would say that.

[FreepFryer]

76. Have a cookie. (Nt)

[obamanut2012]

94. hahahahaha

[Codeine]

85. The OP has made a career out of it.

Why stop when you’re ahead?

[obamanut2012]

95. You better believe it!

[greenjar_01]

104. ROFL

!!!

[Codeine]

107. Ha! Sweet memories. nt

[StarfishSaver]

106. At least it's not a "Pelosi will NEVER impeach" bash

[Laura PourMeADrink]

110. Good idea! Nov 15 2017 will live in sadness. Thank you Steve Cohen! DJT

has only gotten a million times worse since his brilliant, all encompassing articles were introduced to House!

[obamanut2012]

93. It isn't

But certain posters sure like to, and somehow never get the OP hidden.

[Laelth]

41. Laura. Have a drink. n/t

-Laelth

[Laura PourMeADrink]

68. You too, but you have to take head out of sand first:)

[Laelth]

69. I am open to what you have to say.

Let’s both have a drink, shall we?



-Laelth

[MrsCoffee]

99. How else could one write such an OP? And then actually post it.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

113. It's called analyzing your opponent.

[MrsCoffee]

122. Don't overestimate your opponent.

[GulfCoast66]

42. What are you going on about?

His rally was a flop. He is being mocked everywhere Of course not on Fox. He had less than 10000 folks when he predicted a million.

And he came out and said he wanted less testing.

I know some people are totally traumatized by him but tonight was a great night. He is the butt of the joke.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

78. How rude & demeaning - "what are you going on about"

[obamanut2012]

96. Not rude, direct, and answer the poster's question

What are you going on about? WHAT ARE YOU GOING ON ABOUT IN YOUR OP?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

109. Just read it... Extremely pointed. If you watched his speech

You come away with an overriding impression.... We are not dealing with anything close to a normal opponent and should adjust asap if we want a chance to win. I don't know how - but hopefully psychiatrists do? There is zero truth to what he says, zero. And he can take any huge pile of crap and spin it into gold. It means he can also completely lie about his opponent.

It was very scary to watch and listen to him. An anomaly of a human being. Normal, typical methods, truthful broadcasts and news reports are but a mere minor bump in the road for him to manipulate and create lies to counteract.

[Initech]

43. Hopefully this one hit him where it hurts.

[Demsrule86]

46. No it went very badly for Trump,.

All the news folks said nothing Trump claimed was true. Cheer up.

[SiliconValley_Dem]

48. hahahA!

you sound sad

[vercetti2021]

57. Laura

Please relax lol no more liquor for you

[Laura PourMeADrink]

73. Wtf.. you relax.. funny how when no one has anything serious

To add they accuse people of drinking.

[vercetti2021]

77. Wasn't that

Just your name lol

[Codeine]

86. Did you forgot your own username? nt

[obamanut2012]

97. Probably

[LeftInTX]

64. As long as there weren't brawls between white nationalists, antifa, BLM, anarchists, and thrill seek

seekers.

There is nothing to see. The media won't cover small, peaceful protests.

They will cover physical fights, burning cars, burning buildings etc.

It doesn't sound like any of this happened.

[Happy Hoosier]

80. That's a really bad take, IMO....

Trump hates nothing as much as looking foolish and weak. He looked both tonight... in SPADES.

[BannonsLiver]

81. ...

[obamanut2012]

87. Yeah, literally none of this OP is correct

NONE of it.

Are you just wanting to sow defeatist memes or what? I am actually not being accusatory or snarky at all -- I am honestly curious, because this OP is non factual.

[tavernier]

98. Yes, he was diabolical and powerful last night.

Reminded me of Dwight Schrute.

[MrsCoffee]

100. I'm trying to understand this point of view,

but I can’t seem to get my head that far up my ass.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

105. How rude. You don't understand we can't underestimate a master at manipulation?

[Codeine]

108. Give it up already.

Boring and tedious don’t even BEGIN to describe this nonsense.

[MrsCoffee]

120. Lol. I will leave it to you to think of him as a master of anything.

[USALiberal]

102. Self delete. nt

[Voltaire2]

103. Lulzd.

Total own goal. Ain’t no spinning this flop. Carry on.

[StarfishSaver]

116. This didn't age well ...

[Laura PourMeADrink]

117. No, it's great. Seeing exactly who disrupters are! People

who never offer any kind of analytical thought... Just constant disruption and belittling of people who do think..

[StarfishSaver]

118. Exactly

[Laura PourMeADrink]

119. This OP was about a single subject - how dangerously crazy

our Dem's opponent is... And how our side needs to be prepared. Watching the entire rally, made it crystal clear. Yet 90% is attacking NOT the enemy, but the OP, personally. It's been very interesting, indeed!

[MrsCoffee]

121. Well we hear enough fucking bloviating about the asshole from right wingers.

Why are you surprised that no one here agrees with your assessment of his mastery?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

125. ??? Right wing praises and idolizes him. I am saying he is a dangerous

Crazy manipulator of minds that can spin anything and everything. Huge, monumental difference.

[MrsCoffee]

126. Not seeing the distinction in this thread really.

Yep, he is a dangerous crazy manipulator, but he is not a master of anything. Nothing played into his hand or the right wingers hand with the protest. He went home with his tail tucked between his legs defeated and humiliated. I'm sure you will now try to convince me otherwise. Something about four more years....

[Laura PourMeADrink]

127. Right you didn't see it because people pounced

without thinking first.

[MrsCoffee]

128. More like people thought about what you said and passionately disagreed.

Vehemenently even.

With good reason.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

130. Ya you are probably right. Not a single diss or strategy idea against the monster

Just of me. Great strategy for winning an election

[demmiblue]

123. Naw. n/t

[spanone]

124. A small audience in RED RED RED Tulsa should scare the living shit out of trump.

[Tipperary]

129. You give him WAY too much credit.

He is not the master of any damn thing.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

131. Master of lies and deceit and totally oblivious to truth. Master

at self promotion and self PR spin. Watch Netflix's doc about him and his early biz career.

As you can see, one can be a master of horrible things.

[Tipperary]

133. He is a psychopath

Period.

[LanternWaste]

132. Any objective measures from this particular instance to support your opinion?

Or just a bumper sticker... like "ok"?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

134. Rephrase please

[MrsCoffee]

137. Perhaps reply #26 holds a clue.

[Iggo]

135. Okay, you win.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

136. Ya, but sad, not a single idea on a way to deal with a maniac opponent :(.