Thu Jul 23, 2020, 04:44 PM
at140 (6,027 posts)
Melatonin Inhibits COVID-19-induced Cytokine Storm by Reversing Aerobic Glycolysis in Immune Cells
The pathogenesis of a COVID-19 respiratory infection, in a major way, is related to what is referred to as the cytokine storm [cytokine storm syndrome (CSS, hypercytokinemia, etc.], i.e., it is a hyper-inflammatory response. During this response, an explosive production of proinflammatory cytokines such as TNF-α IL-1β, and others occurs, greatly exaggerating the generation of molecule-damaging reactive oxygen species (free radicals) [1]. In severe cases, the cytokine storm is responsible for the most obvious signs of a COVID-19 infection including fever, lung injury which causes cough and shortness of breath (and the long-term complication, lung fibrosis) and in death.
A causative factor related to the hyper-inflammatory state of immune cells is their ability to dramatically change their metabolism. Similar to cancer cells in many solid tumors, immune cells such as macrophages/monocytes under inflammatory conditions abandon mitochondrial oxidative phosphorylation for ATP production in favor of cytosolic aerobic glycolysis (also known as the Warburg effect) [2]. This switch is driven by the transcription factor HIF-1α (hypoxia inducible factor-1α ![]() https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7211589/?fbclid=IwAR3EKCn7MtmGk3GxhLboOhUCDIEtDbxEnJe8sBJWXHjc7velVxJAAlYOB2Q
|
62 replies, 5128 views
![]() |
Author | Time | Post |
![]() |
at140 | Jul 2020 | OP |
Roland99 | Jul 2020 | #1 | |
Thekaspervote | Jul 2020 | #4 | |
niyad | Jul 2020 | #11 | |
at140 | Jul 2020 | #15 | |
Faux pas | Jul 2020 | #2 | |
Moostache | Jul 2020 | #13 | |
Faux pas | Jul 2020 | #41 | |
Cha | Jul 2020 | #52 | |
Faux pas | Jul 2020 | #53 | |
Cha | Jul 2020 | #59 | |
Faux pas | Jul 2020 | #60 | |
Cha | Jul 2020 | #61 | |
Faux pas | Jul 2020 | #42 | |
Eliot Rosewater | Jul 2020 | #3 | |
Thekaspervote | Jul 2020 | #6 | |
qazplm135 | Jul 2020 | #10 | |
awesomerwb1 | Jul 2020 | #23 | |
Nevilledog | Jul 2020 | #43 | |
Cha | Jul 2020 | #51 | |
Miguelito Loveless | Jul 2020 | #8 | |
Miguelito Loveless | Jul 2020 | #22 | |
Ilsa | Jul 2020 | #29 | |
Miguelito Loveless | Jul 2020 | #34 | |
Miguelito Loveless | Jul 2020 | #36 | |
Ilsa | Jul 2020 | #37 | |
Eliot Rosewater | Jul 2020 | #33 | |
Miguelito Loveless | Jul 2020 | #35 | |
Kahuna | Jul 2020 | #24 | |
ChazII | Jul 2020 | #55 | |
Kahuna | Jul 2020 | #57 | |
ChazII | Jul 2020 | #58 | |
Thekaspervote | Jul 2020 | #5 | |
Stallion | Jul 2020 | #7 | |
Goodheart | Jul 2020 | #12 | |
Stallion | Jul 2020 | #14 | |
a kennedy | Jul 2020 | #17 | |
Goodheart | Jul 2020 | #21 | |
EllieBC | Jul 2020 | #9 | |
at140 | Jul 2020 | #18 | |
triron | Jul 2020 | #40 | |
LeftInTX | Jul 2020 | #16 | |
leftyladyfrommo | Jul 2020 | #19 | |
Voltaire2 | Jul 2020 | #20 | |
niyad | Jul 2020 | #25 | |
MissB | Jul 2020 | #26 | |
niyad | Jul 2020 | #28 | |
MissB | Jul 2020 | #31 | |
niyad | Jul 2020 | #32 | |
jmbar2 | Jul 2020 | #48 | |
gristy | Jul 2020 | #27 | |
oswaldactedalone | Jul 2020 | #30 | |
triron | Jul 2020 | #39 | |
triron | Jul 2020 | #38 | |
myccrider | Jul 2020 | #44 | |
triron | Jul 2020 | #45 | |
myccrider | Jul 2020 | #47 | |
mvd | Jul 2020 | #46 | |
Raine | Jul 2020 | #50 | |
helpisontheway | Jul 2020 | #49 | |
triron | Jul 2020 | #54 | |
helpisontheway | Jul 2020 | #56 | |
LAS14 | Jul 2020 | #62 |
Response to at140 (Original post)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 04:46 PM
Roland99 (52,966 posts)
1. Here's the best part
Given the above information, the use of supplemental melatonin as a treatment to overcome a COVID-19 infection is justified. Exogenously administered melatonin reverses aerobic glycolysis by repressing both HIF-1α and mTOR thereby disinhibiting PDC activity and allowing acetyl-coenzyme A synthesis which also ensures locally-produced melatonin production [13]. The functionally re-instated mitochondria-generated melatonin in combination with the parenteral melatonin provides a formidable weapon to reduce the cytokine storm as well as its damaging consequences thereby relieving the signs of a COVID-19 infection.
The anti-inflammatory and antioxidant actions of melatonin in protecting the lungs from damage in many experimental models that involve inflammation or oxidative stress (or both) is well documented [14]. Moreover, melatonin has anti-viral actions against viruses other than COVID-19 [15,16]. The collective data, in addition to its very high safety profile, indicate that melatonin would be effective as a treatment for COVID-19 and support the recommendation of the published reports that encourage its use for this purpose [[3], [4], [5], [6], [7]]. Melatonin is inexpensive, non-toxic over a very wide dose range, has a long shelf-life and can be self-administered which is a major advantage when large numbers of individuals are involved. Thus, the use of melatonin to mitigate the COVID-19 pandemic would be feasible and a socially-responsible measure to attempt. |
Response to Roland99 (Reply #1)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 04:50 PM
Thekaspervote (28,663 posts)
4. Thx for the detailed explanation!!
Response to Roland99 (Reply #1)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 04:55 PM
niyad (96,858 posts)
11. Melatonin?? The stuff I get from the vitamin wall? Or the health food store? No scrip, no vaccine?
Ohhh desr, donnie bodybags and big pharma are not going to like that!!
|
Response to niyad (Reply #11)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 05:04 PM
at140 (6,027 posts)
15. Exactly my first thought as well
Big profits Big Pharma would prefer meds costing thousands of dollars.
|
Response to at140 (Original post)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 04:46 PM
Faux pas (13,391 posts)
2. Translation?
![]() |
Response to Faux pas (Reply #2)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 04:55 PM
Moostache (9,715 posts)
13. If you use Melatonin as a sleep aid, better go buy up all you can NOW...
Very rough simplification:
The bug (COVID) causes your immune cells to utilize and generate energy (ATP) differently to fight infection. That change in energy source allows for benefits in fighting some disease, but comes with a cost - harder for the cells to regulate or act 'normal'. Not 100% of the story - it also has to do with the way the cells trigger the immune response and gets more complicated from there, but that's the high-level gist of it. |
Response to Moostache (Reply #13)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 08:38 PM
Faux pas (13,391 posts)
41. Thank you
I used to take it, then I switched to ashwagandha. Guess I'll switch back.
![]() |
Response to Faux pas (Reply #41)
Mon Jul 27, 2020, 02:21 AM
Cha (282,453 posts)
52. You just introduced me to ashwagandha..
Mahalo, Faux pas.. it sounds like just what I need!
I just ordered it ![]() ![]() |
Response to Cha (Reply #52)
Mon Jul 27, 2020, 07:51 AM
Faux pas (13,391 posts)
53. Your welcome
for sure Cha. It's great stuff!
![]() |
Response to Faux pas (Reply #53)
Mon Jul 27, 2020, 03:57 PM
Cha (282,453 posts)
59. Good information exchange on DU!
![]() ![]() |
Response to Cha (Reply #59)
Wed Jul 29, 2020, 11:19 AM
Faux pas (13,391 posts)
60. Glad
I could be of some assistance. It's done wonders for me.
![]() |
Response to Faux pas (Reply #60)
Wed Jul 29, 2020, 05:36 PM
Cha (282,453 posts)
61. I'm happy it's helped you.. I'm anxiously awaiting my bottle..
![]() |
Response to Moostache (Reply #13)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 08:47 PM
Faux pas (13,391 posts)
42. PS
Just read ashwagandha may help too.
|
Response to at140 (Original post)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 04:50 PM
Eliot Rosewater (30,047 posts)
3. So any melatonin supplement from the drug store or
Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #3)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 04:52 PM
Thekaspervote (28,663 posts)
6. The best way to take melatonin is sublingual, faster better absorption
Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #6)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 04:54 PM
qazplm135 (7,422 posts)
10. for the vast majority of folks who have no idea what that means
it means under the tongue.
|
Response to qazplm135 (Reply #10)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 05:16 PM
awesomerwb1 (4,087 posts)
23. Oh so no submarine needed? nt
Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #6)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 08:48 PM
Nevilledog (44,721 posts)
43. That's what I take. Get it at Costco.
Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #6)
Mon Jul 27, 2020, 02:08 AM
Cha (282,453 posts)
51. That's how I take it.. spray melatonin every other
night for awhile now.
Thanks, Kasper. ![]() |
Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #3)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 04:52 PM
Miguelito Loveless (4,164 posts)
8. Costco is probably safe
Others, not so sure.
|
Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #3)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 05:16 PM
Miguelito Loveless (4,164 posts)
22. Had to look for this link
Response to Miguelito Loveless (Reply #22)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 05:39 PM
Ilsa (60,627 posts)
29. Of course, one must pay for results. nt
|
Response to Ilsa (Reply #29)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 05:58 PM
Miguelito Loveless (4,164 posts)
34. My apologies
Their policies have changed since i was last on their site. As they do not accept ads, they are now behind a paywall.
|
Response to Ilsa (Reply #29)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 06:09 PM
Miguelito Loveless (4,164 posts)
36. I posted the top picks
in this thread.
|
Response to Miguelito Loveless (Reply #36)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 06:15 PM
Ilsa (60,627 posts)
37. Thank you. You're a mensch! nt
|
Response to Miguelito Loveless (Reply #22)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 05:58 PM
Eliot Rosewater (30,047 posts)
33. Did you pay to get the results? What are the results?
please
|
Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #33)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 06:08 PM
Miguelito Loveless (4,164 posts)
35. Sorry, they placed them behind the paywall
which was not the case the last time I was there.
Low dose: Swanson Melatonin 1mg Moderate dose: Trader Joe’s chewable 3mg Timed Release: CVS 5mg Consumer Labs tests for the actual presence of ingredients and the absence of harmful impurities or adulterations. |
Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #3)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 05:16 PM
Kahuna (27,301 posts)
24. That's what I use, the Natrol but 10mg....
I have 2 new unopened bottles and just ordered 4 more.
![]() |
Response to Kahuna (Reply #24)
Mon Jul 27, 2020, 08:45 AM
ChazII (5,914 posts)
55. This is what I use as well. n/t
Response to ChazII (Reply #55)
Mon Jul 27, 2020, 10:49 AM
Kahuna (27,301 posts)
57. That's the good stuff. I tried other brands and dosages before I settled.
![]() ![]() ![]() |
Response to Kahuna (Reply #57)
Mon Jul 27, 2020, 10:50 AM
ChazII (5,914 posts)
58. My neurologist is the
one who recommended it to me.
![]() ![]() |
Response to at140 (Original post)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 04:51 PM
Thekaspervote (28,663 posts)
5. Really good news!
Response to at140 (Original post)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 04:52 PM
Stallion (6,426 posts)
7. I Use Melatonin to Help me Sleep
hope I'm safe
|
Response to Stallion (Reply #7)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 04:55 PM
Goodheart (4,527 posts)
12. So do I. Love it.
Response to Goodheart (Reply #12)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 04:58 PM
Stallion (6,426 posts)
14. Leaves You a Little Foggy in the Morning-but after 30 Minutes I'm good
I know I take it too late but I'm out usually within :30 minutes and I'm a nightowl
|
Response to Goodheart (Reply #12)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 05:06 PM
a kennedy (26,882 posts)
17. Only problem I've had with it is, my eyes are a tad dry when I wake up.....
other then that I love it. What’s your dose? I’m doing 2.5 milligrams. I cut a 10 milligram in half and then in half again.....so it’s 2.5 when I use it UNDER MY TONGUE.
![]() |
Response to a kennedy (Reply #17)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 05:16 PM
Goodheart (4,527 posts)
21. I do much less than that. 3/10 of a milligram
A single 300 mcg tablet helps me sleep like a baby.... EXCEPT:
I have noticed that it's a potent diuretic. When I take it I get up about four times per night to pee... and I'm not talking little drips, either. Doesn't really bother me, though, because it makes me feel skinnier and I fall right back asleep. |
Response to at140 (Original post)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 04:53 PM
EllieBC (2,523 posts)
9. Bookmarking. Should we be taking melatonin supplements
now? Or no is it just as a treatment?
|
Response to EllieBC (Reply #9)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 05:07 PM
at140 (6,027 posts)
18. More as a treatment but taking it could make you less susceptible
to inflammation if you do come down with infection.
|
Response to EllieBC (Reply #9)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 06:36 PM
triron (20,903 posts)
40. Melatonin is good for you in many ways. Just research it.
Response to at140 (Original post)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 05:06 PM
LeftInTX (21,645 posts)
16. Sounds more scientific than kimchi!
Response to at140 (Original post)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 05:11 PM
leftyladyfrommo (17,340 posts)
19. I take it every night to help me sleep.
If I take too much I have really weird bad dreams.
|
Response to at140 (Original post)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 05:13 PM
Voltaire2 (10,738 posts)
20. Well at least FLOTUS is good for something.
Response to niyad (Reply #25)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 05:35 PM
MissB (15,378 posts)
26. Some folks call her melatonin
Instead of her name.
|
Response to MissB (Reply #26)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 05:37 PM
niyad (96,858 posts)
28. Ahh. Much more polite than what I call her.
Response to niyad (Reply #28)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 05:50 PM
MissB (15,378 posts)
31. Same.
I’ve used melanoma before though.
|
Response to MissB (Reply #31)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 05:56 PM
niyad (96,858 posts)
32. melanoma and malaria are the polite terms.
Response to niyad (Reply #32)
Mon Jul 27, 2020, 12:37 AM
jmbar2 (3,982 posts)
48. I thought she was Melanomia
Response to at140 (Original post)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 05:37 PM
gristy (10,635 posts)
27. hmmm. I googled "melatonin covid treatment" (without the quotes)
And I found articles at least as far back as April. So I worry that efficacy may not be all that is hoped, or we would have been hearing a lot more of this by now.
|
Response to at140 (Original post)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 05:50 PM
oswaldactedalone (3,408 posts)
30. I've had to increase to 10 mg
about 2 hours before I hope to be asleep and I don’t use the sublingual tablets. I found that the effects of the quick dissolving tablets wear off too fast and I wouldn’t get more than 2 hours of sleep.
Last night, I wanted some extra sleep so took 5 add’l mgs just before going to bed. Had the unusual experience of getting 9 uninterrupted hours of sleep. However, I wouldn’t recommend more than 3-5 mgs at first, and I won’t take more than 10 often at all. Did I miss the mention of a recommended dosage? |
Response to oswaldactedalone (Reply #30)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 06:35 PM
triron (20,903 posts)
39. Many doctors say 10 mg is fine. I usually take anywhere from 5 or 6 mg up to about 10.
Response to at140 (Original post)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 06:33 PM
triron (20,903 posts)
38. This is great news. I and my gf take melatonin every night. I take more than she.
Response to at140 (Original post)
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 10:05 AM
myccrider (484 posts)
44. I also use it for sleep some nights
but have odd side effects if I take more than 4 or 5 mg or use it every night...severe headaches, hours-long grogginess the next morning. I now take a combo of approx. 3mg melatonin, 20 mg CBD and 5mg THC (which is legal here in California, thankfully) 3 or 4 nights a week. That lets me sleep well 4-6 hours with minimal side effects.
I use prescription meds other nights usually with some CBD. If I use anything every night it becomes less effective over time and/or I start having more severe side effects. I have had a weird relationship with sleep for a long time. ![]() It would be wonderful if melatonin turns out to be a therapeutic treatment for Covid. It’s cheap and readily available OTC. Are there any trials going on with it, I wonder? Looks like there is one in Spain. Started April 2020, results by Dec 2020. https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04353128 |
Response to myccrider (Reply #44)
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 10:13 AM
triron (20,903 posts)
45. This is from the description of the study:
"SARS-CoV 2 seems to relatively spare younger children and those who are infected develop the severe forms of the disease very rarely. Peak melatonin serum levels are higher in younger children and decrease with age. These levels are also higher in women, specially during pregnancy, who also seem to be less affected by the virus when compared to men.
The investigators hypothesize that elevating peak melatonin levels to a range similar to that of children by administering 2 mg of melatonin daily might prevent the infection with SARS-CoV 2 among exposed healthcare workers. The investigators also hypothesize that among those who develop the disease melatonin might prevent the more severe forms." |
Response to triron (Reply #45)
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 06:46 PM
myccrider (484 posts)
47. Thanks for the info
Seems it’s being tested as a prophylactic, not necessarily as a treatment. Hope the results will be positive. We need all the tools we can get to fight this thing.
|
Response to at140 (Original post)
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 10:41 AM
mvd (64,658 posts)
46. Cool. I used to take it for insomnia
It stopped being as effective for sleep after a while, but maybe I will try it again.
|
Response to mvd (Reply #46)
Mon Jul 27, 2020, 01:48 AM
Raine (29,250 posts)
50. Same thing with me, it quit working but
I'll give it another try.
|
Response to at140 (Original post)
Mon Jul 27, 2020, 01:45 AM
helpisontheway (4,880 posts)
49. Already taking Vitamin D,Vitamin C immunity boost and Zinc everyday
Guess it will not hurt to add Melatonin. Anything to prevent or lessen the severity of this awful disease.
|
Response to helpisontheway (Reply #49)
Mon Jul 27, 2020, 08:17 AM
triron (20,903 posts)
54. Me too. Sometimes add astragulus. Also take an immune senescence formula (by Life Extension)
Response to triron (Reply #54)
Mon Jul 27, 2020, 09:03 AM
helpisontheway (4,880 posts)
56. This is the immune booster I take
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B086MWXW3B?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_image
It has a few other things plus vitamin C. Now gonna research the things that you are taking.. |
Response to at140 (Original post)
Wed Jul 29, 2020, 05:43 PM
LAS14 (12,917 posts)