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(59,502 posts)There is no one I respect more. He is and was the real deal.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)JI7
(89,247 posts)What I remember most of that year was that throughout the summer and fall, the more I read and the more I learned, I realized that he was far better as both a leader and as a person than I had thought. This even though, as a 70 year old now. I was blown away by his eloquence, brilliance and morality in 1971. Most years, as the campaign went on, while always supporting the Democrat, there were glimpses of negatives emerging from the original well crafted image. In 2004, the more I learned the more I saw that decade after decade he has stayed true to what he believed in.
karynnj
(59,502 posts)herding cats
(19,564 posts)I was impressed!!
MyOwnPeace
(16,925 posts)he was "anti-war" and part of the "efite snobs" corps that tried to send our country into Socialism!
What the "Swift boat" people did to him should have been somehow declared criminal - and to think that we now have a senior executive that continually makes the "swift boat" people seem like "Little Miss Muffin"- this all just blows my mind.
We MUST end it all - and, sadly to say, it won't end with a Biden sweep - it will be a LONG fight, you know, like what must be done with COVID-19 - but we MUST do it, starting with GET OUT THE VOTE!!!!!!
Sneederbunk
(14,290 posts)MyOwnPeace
(16,925 posts)Theres a story there...untold. I have some thoughts.
DFW
(54,358 posts)The circumstantial part was always there. The Ohio Secretary of State, Kenneth Blackwell, was also the Ohio chairman of the re-elect Bush committee. One of the heads of the two main voting machines companies (Diebold or ESS) pledged to "deliver Ohio for Bush." And all the Ohio exit polls said Kerry carried the state.
Due to a court order they got, Diebold and ESS had their vote-counting machines declared "private property," and no forensic examination of their vote counts could be undertaken without their consent (which they never gave). EXCEPT: there was one county in rural Ohio where the machine was not immediately collected after announcing the "result." It was in a tiny precinct with 600 registered voters, and it WAS forensically examined. It gave Bush 3000 votes. So, what did the Ohio Republicans do? Examine the rest? Hardly. They called it a "glitch." They deducted 2400 votes from Bush's margin of "victory," and continued to forbid forensic examination of the other machines in Ohio.
One Republican actually DID tell the truth about what was going on that election day in 2004, after a few too many at the early celebration:
Alliepoo
(2,215 posts)And are still happening.
Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)Squinch
(50,949 posts)rockfordfile
(8,702 posts)Greybnk48
(10,167 posts)When Trump goes to other countries it's like a blooper reel! I almost wet myself laughing.
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Bayard
(22,062 posts)As would Al Gore. And Hillary Clinton.
We can't let an election be stolen again. Not this time.
DFW
(54,358 posts)The Democratic nominee has won every presidential election since 1992. In three cases, he/she was not permitted to serve due to Republican electoral fraud.
"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."--attributed to Soviet dictator Josef Stalin.
Or, as the modern-day Stalinists (AKA Republicans) put it:
"We won. It's all over but the counting. And we'll take care of the counting."
Which indeed they did.