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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsShut a trumper today. And it felt good. Even my wife of 33 years was impressed.
We went to Breweries in Sanford Florida with a good friend. She is the only one inside our bubble. Works with the wife although from home 4/5 days.
Anyway we are at the bar with just the masked young, cute bartender and one other customer 15 feet away who was young and obviously flirting with the bartender. Nothing inappropriate. Believe me it was safe. When another middle aged couple came in. Heavyish woman and the man way probably a little bigger than me. They had hardly been there 5 minutes when he said this whole virus will disappear in November. His wife said there may be Democrats in here so be careful. 6 months ago I would have not said a word, but no more. I told him there are 3 democrats Right here and I came to drink beer, not listen to bullshit. He shut his pie hole right up. Told him we can agree about good beer if he wants and he was all about that. We left shortly thereafter as we had another brewery to visit.
As we walked away my wife asked me what was that about. Told here I was not going to sit there and listen to a bunch of republican bullshit. Then told her, verbatim they are fucking cowards. Unless they outnumber us they clam right up.
Wont change his mind. But now he knows not to assume that guys who look like him welcome his bullshit.
FakeNoose
(32,634 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Tribalceltic
(1,000 posts)Beartracks
(12,809 posts)... for which the usefulness will end in November -- after Trump wins, of course -- and so the virus "hoax" will disappear just like all the campaign ads.
Dumb-fucking-believable.
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GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Policy differences I am fine with. Start with the CT shit and Im giving pushback.
Jimbo S
(2,958 posts)"All this talk will go away after the election.""I'm not feeling sick. I don't have to wear a mask."
sfstaxprep
(9,998 posts)brush
(53,765 posts)mgardener
(1,816 posts)I am just sick of them.
How stupid is this couple?
They were told once before that it would go away in April.
And they fell for the same bs?
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)OAITW r.2.0
(24,455 posts)(I read DU on the phone, but my texting skills suck.)
they are fucking cowards. Unless they outnumber us they clam right up.
That's it in a nutshell. They talk loud, but say nothing. They argue on a emotional, nonfactual basis. When you challenge their fallacies with facts, they don't know how to respond. Especially when you engage calmly and determinedly.
The only time you lose is when they outnumber you 4 or 5 to 1. Then you get all of them shouting easily refuted lies at the same time - a team building experience for them - and, so - at that point - is it worth engaging further? I don't.
Kind of like where the German people were, when Hitler came to power. That ended well.....
om edit: Our best strategy is to engage at the 1-to-1 level and educate them.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Cant imagine going out for beers during this time.
And my state is not near the hotspot Florida is.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Realize most of the are not like Bars. Few people go to get drunk. Its a sedate crowd.
Everyone wears masks to enter and the ones I frequent have us sitting over 10 feet apart. Everyone wears masks until their beers arrive. And moving between groups or moving tables is strictly prohibited. If you get up to go to the bathroom you have to wear masks. And many have outdoor seating.
I was reluctant to return because the horror story about bars. But the breweries are under a lot of scrutiny and are being pretty draconian about enforcing the rules.
If the things Fauci says are to believed this is how we can have a safe, functional economy. I feel safer than at the grocery where I pass close to strangers.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Not been out of my house/yard except for an occasional grocery run since the pandemic began. You couldnt pay me to go into a public restroom.
I had a mild case according to my doctor. Sickest Ive ever been.
Temps ranged from 100 at the onset to four days of temps of 102 to 104. Headaches, body aches beyond belief. Sweated through my sheets three nights in a row. Chills so bad I cranked the ac into the 80s. The worst thing was the fear that it might worsen.
Again, youre braver than I.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)I figure we all might get it, but if everyone takes the recommendation seriously our chances are reduced. But not eliminated, of course.
Stay well.
Tess49
(1,579 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Picked up my groceries except for one time about ten days before I got sick. I stopped in to get cat food.
Numerous idiots without masks that day, crowded and no one social distancing. Was so freaked I even took a shower when I came home, but it had to be that day.
Its a damn nasty virus, just awful.
Tess49
(1,579 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)I was terrified because I did have asthma badly as a child. But no breathing problems.
As my doctor said, it was a mild case. I cant remember the last time I even had a cold, so it was a rough week and a half. The fever was scary. I really felt besieged by an awful enemy. Ive never had a fever that high except for appendicitis at age 11.
Still having brain fog, and not back to my usual energy. I cant imagine it being worse.
It makes me feel even more horrified for what those who are hospitalized must suffer.
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)to ride in different spots here in the upper Midwest, and seek out microbreweries in the area I'm visiting. I always make sure they have some kind of outdoor seating, or at least a setup where it's open air. I'm always there around mid-afternoon, so the places are nowhere near crowded at that time of day. All of the employees at the places I've visited have been masked, and I leave mine on as well until I sit down to drink.
jmbar2
(4,874 posts)They really don't realize that they are in the minority because their media bubble makes them think that everyone agrees with them, but for a few "others".
It's important for them to recognize that not all white people think like they do. Shock!
OAITW r.2.0
(24,455 posts)Lived here since the early 80's....except for an 8 year hiatus to Brockton, MA. Like 2 different worlds. In social interaction and thinking. Very provincial thinking up in Maine; limited education for many (HS). Everyone knows each other and share political/social opinions exclusively so they are pretty insulated - and I doubt they realize it. My Mass experience was obviously totally different. Great diversity and enlightened, educated people.
Karadeniz
(22,509 posts)Grokenstein
(5,722 posts)If we react with silence, they tell themselves it's either tacit support or cowardice.
If we call them out, they scuttle into their shells, only coming back out when it's "safe."
If we teach them it's never "safe," they'll never come out of their damn shells again.
Trueblue Texan
(2,426 posts)...with so little confrontation of the facts, they have been spoiled to believe their lies are believed and somehow become accurate if they don't get any flack about them. We need to change that. Just like the epiphany I had all those years ago when I realized I was contributing to racism if I didn't speak up against it when I witnessed it , I have recently realized we are contributing to the lies and misinformation when we don't call it out. It can be terribly uncomfortable and even dangerous, but at the very least we are making at least one of the thugs a bit less comfortable with spreading lies and inaccuracies. So good for you! I am glad there were 3 of you, but I have a feeling you wouldn't have been quiet if it had just been you. Thank you for your courage and patriotism!
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)He was not going to do anything. And had he I remember a lesson my dad gave me after my last real fight at 14 ending with my opponent battered and me with a broken hand.
Once you are an adult you should never get into a fight. But if you a victim of assault and battery pick up the heaviest thing you can find and defend yourself upside their head. Ive only had to do that one time in my life.
Ligyron
(7,627 posts)Well fractured actually, fractured metacarpal. Very common among boxers I was told.
I had to go to the doctor and get a cast and wear that damn thing for 8 weeks but I "won" the fight because he was a bloody mess and I remained pretty much untouched.
When it comes to fights, they're a lot like wars as far as "winning" goes.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)It was my right middle finger which was immobilized Straight out in a splint attached to the cast. So for 6 weeks I walked around flipping off the world! At 14 I rather enjoyed that.
Last fight for me.
Ligyron
(7,627 posts)Well fractured actually, fractured metacarpal. Very common among boxers I was told.
I had to go to the doctor and get a cast and wear that damn thing for 8 weeks but I "won" the fight because he was a bloody mess and I remained pretty much untouched.
Well, except for the Doctor and that damn cast and all.
When it comes to fights, they're a lot like wars as far as "winning" goes.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)Trueblue Texan
(2,426 posts)I had a patient tell me this the other day...she didn't really finish what her thought was and I certainly didn't comment. She is 90 so I'm not going to bother arguing with her. But I wondered where it was coming from and what the new argument/talking point coming out of the right was about.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)warmfeet
(3,321 posts)When every last one of them is gone, I will be ever vigilant of the next batch.
Fuck them all!
mountain grammy
(26,619 posts)I too will not be silent. I won't bring it up, but if someone else does , I speak up. Don't expect to change their mind but I'll call out the BS..
Joinfortmill
(14,416 posts)KentuckyWoman
(6,679 posts)We were at a rescue over the weekend that is caring for Gibbons confiscated from a private person who had no business with the pair. They are working to return to the wild but it's iffy... I learned Gibbons mate for live and have a unique "song" they sing every morning and every night to keep their bond strong.
At any rate that male was putting on a show for her swing about, making all kinds of racket ... his mate just laying over in the crook of a tree basically ignoring him. She's heard that noise before.
I admit I did my Mr. like that sometimes. After 50 years plus there's not a whole lot of new ground to cover.... and that is the exact attraction of long term relations.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)After all these years my wife knows my entire routine. It takes something way out of the normal to get a compliment. Would have it no other way. We are best friends for life. And while Im biased she is much hotter at 60 than she was at 26.
Her favorite comment to friends is that marrying a younger man was the smartest thing she ever did...easier to train!
KentuckyWoman
(6,679 posts)early on I learned green peppers "bothered" him but red, orange and yellow not so much.
Cooking adjusted.
He kept putting my Fels - Naptha soap in what I thought was a weird place that annoyed me at first. Then I realized ...well after the first time.... I know where to look so what's the deal?
On the flip side, I just could never sleep well by the window ... so he taught himself how to sleep on the other side of the bed. He also had to get used to me walking on that side of him.
I'll agree with you. Even with the cancer ... my man was so much more that last year than he was at the beginning. We should all be.
Go hug your Wife. You two are mighty lucky.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)I hope I go first. Could not bear to be without her.
But such is life. We dont get to choose.
You take care and stay safe.
oldsoftie
(12,531 posts)See folks, it CAN be done!
Hulk
(6,699 posts)It takes guts and smarts to say something that is going to shut some loudmouth, empty-headed fool down cold.
Hope you enjoyed your brewskies
Beringia
(4,316 posts)So I worry about confronting one, and them getting physical. Like those idiots on the highway that have road rage.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)They kept their masks on until their beer arrived. I was surprised when he spouted the CT bullshit.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Thank you for speaking up.
Layzeebeaver
(1,623 posts)This "Virus" will disappear in November.
If by Virus we mean Trump.
But only if we inoculate the entire nation by voting a straight democratic ticket (state and federal) across the board.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Even in defeat we will hear him everyday until he is dead.
bucolic_frolic
(43,128 posts)It's a public service.
oasis
(49,376 posts)Just in time for the election.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Firestorm49
(4,032 posts)Azathoth
(4,607 posts)They're fully aware that they exist in an alternate reality bubble.
LisaM
(27,802 posts)I stopped paying attention to this story when you described the woman as "heavyish". Why does that have any bearing on this story? Why?
I was walking my dogs once when a total stranger who didn't want me to walk them in front of her house (because she kept her dog off leash) yelled at me that I should walk my dogs more because I needed to lose a few pounds. It was incredibly hurts and it still stings almost 20 years later.
It bothers me that you said that. Why did you?
LisaM
(27,802 posts)I stopped paying attention to this story when you described the woman as "heavyish". Why does that have any bearing on this story? Why?
I was walking my dogs once when a total stranger who didn't want me to walk them in front of her house (because she kept her dog off leash) yelled at me that I should walk my dogs more because I needed to lose a few pounds. It was incredibly hurtful and it still stings almost 20 years later.
It bothers me that you said that. Why did you?
Baitball Blogger
(46,700 posts)Haven't been there in a while. In the Bush years it was unbearable. I imagine the racism is worse today.