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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThere is Zero Chance that a Kenosha County jury (or any Wisconsin jury) convicts Kyle Rittenhouse
of first degree intentional homicide. It's at best an opening negotiating position for the DA, who will be lucky to get a plea deal to second degree reckless homicide (more or less a manslaughter charge) in this case.
It's gonna be a real shit show.
Proud liberal 80
(4,167 posts)Reminds me of how it was back in the day in the South when no one was ever convicted of killing black people.
Klaralven
(7,510 posts)Proud liberal 80
(4,167 posts)And before I posted this, I asked myself if I should state that I knew the victims were white because I had a feeling someone was going to reply with your response....still doesnt take away from the main point that I was trying to make
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Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)They will take Manslaughter, give him 2 years in minimum security and call it a day.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)in other states.
That's where he'll land, I suspect.
I agree: he'll do 2-3yrs in an (under 21) juvenile if anything.
Sogo
(4,986 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Ive googled and everything., just cant find it.
Cosmocat
(14,558 posts)he will be able to cash in and enjoy the adoration as a conservative hero.
orwell
(7,765 posts)...and Coronavirus is all gone.
Now I can go back to watching my Apprentice reruns and drinking coffee and bleach...
Sogo
(4,986 posts)greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Polybius
(15,331 posts)I have only read that he was super pro-blue lives matter. Did he threaten anyone?
snowybirdie
(5,219 posts)Since he crossed state lines, federal charges can apply? Anyone know?
0rganism
(23,920 posts)we can definitely expect some super-swift justice from the feds
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)I think some people don't get the geography here either. Antioch is literally a mile away from the IL-WI border. You could run a 5k out and back from lots of places in Antioch and have crossed into Kenosha County and come back home. If you giddy-up, you can drive to downtown Kenosha in under 30 minutes. I know that doesn't have any bearing on crossing state lines, but people need to be clear on this. Antioch, IL is basically an ex-urb of Kenosha; it's not like they traveled from Lincoln Park, or even Winnetka.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)unbiased Jury says a lot. County Clerk of Courts selects the Jury Pool and in that lies issues.
The Kid will end up in Waupun most likely. And walk after his 21st b-day with probation.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)But this kid's not going to see the inside of Waupun!
Min-medium at best, and probably in a juvie context.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Waupun was the bigee when I lived in Wisconny. If you really screwed up you ended up in Waukuesha .
brush
(53,737 posts)where they over-charged. Maybe this is a first offer that will be reduced to whatever Wisconsin's equivalent of second degree or Man 1.
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)could be applied to Martin if he turned and shot Zimmerman when he chased him. Ask a Trumper about that when they say the boy was just defending himself.
The second shooting could also be using lethal force to prevent a lawful citizen's arrest. Another thing to ask a Trumper.
llashram
(6,265 posts)get a slap on the wrist along with a light sentence in a fairly safe jail type environment. Come out serve a probationary sentence maybe with some safe community service while being lionized by the murderous RW militias as a hero fighting for truth, justice for trump humping white people and their lackeys of all faiths, races and cultures and the trump MAGA way. American democracy is under attack and in a slow-moving but speeds are rapidly picking up fast for RW-GOP-Militia coup. I hope enough patriots see what's happening to be prepared for possible scenarios where trump and GOP-militia-brownshirts STAY IN POWER JUST LIKE HIS BFF PUTIN IS TILL 2036 ON HIS WON REFERENDUM.
Think they haven't been talking with Putin schooling the orange menace and key GOP members on what to do to ensure a successful coup? Don't forget "peace and safety". Hell, Hitler was able to do it because of Versailles and the German economy, at that time being a wreck.
Never mind that now trump is responsible, the Democrats will be the culprit and he also will use warnings about the COMMUNISTS, Socialist etc causing violent protests. Scaring all his base into a murderous frenzy.
I feel Kenosha protest deaths are the 2020 Ft. Sumpter. I hope I'm wrong.
Boomerproud
(7,938 posts)ProfessorGAC
(64,827 posts)Per this, from Data USA, the demographic is not that dissimilar from most Midwest municipal areas.
Other Midwestern communities don't have "zero chance" prosecution issues with murders on video.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Check a map. been up there a bit for kids' camps and whatnot. It...well...something.
dalton99a
(81,391 posts)I am pessimistic
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Again, people are missing some of the geography here. Antioch is a mile from the IL-WI border; you can do a short run to western Kenosha County and back from pretty much Main Street Antioch..
Celerity
(43,076 posts)greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)It hugs the line.
ProfessorGAC
(64,827 posts)75% white, instead of 67%. Nearly identical to my county, and i don't believe it would he that hard to convict a shooter where video exists here.
Admittedly, our county is more than 4x the population, but the jury pool demand is lower.
We disagree that it's zero chance.
In fact, I think it's far closer to 100% than zero.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Time will tell, I suppose.
ProfessorGAC
(64,827 posts)You've already proclaimed your omniscience.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)I'm making a prediction based on my knowledge of the area. That's not proclaiming omniscience. No need to be nasty about it.
sarisataka
(18,472 posts)but not the slam dunk people wish/believe it is.
With the caveat that the only information I have is from the media which could be inaccurate, some reports are that the first victim initiated the interaction and tried to take the gun from him. That would be an opening for a self defense argument, which could be enough for reasonable doubt.
Two things weaken that however, one that he walked past the police rather than turn himself in. That gives the impression that he knew he was not acting in self defense. Second, and perhaps more important, is that he was there illegally and illegally carrying a weapon. That may take away any affirmative defense he could present.
Regardless of how it plays out I expect your prediction of the show will be accurate.
bluestarone
(16,851 posts)When (IF) he's found Not Guilty, MORE of this shit is in our future!
maxsolomon
(33,232 posts)Like this weekend in Portland.
Crunchy Frog
(26,574 posts)Midnight Writer
(21,693 posts)Polybius
(15,331 posts)Did eyewitnesses publicly say what happened? I've yet to hear much about it.
sl8
(13,661 posts)I don't have any video links, but there is one witness account in the complaint:
Criminal complaint (excerpt)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213986367
Criminal complaint (full, pdf) :
https://www.mystateline.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/17/2020/08/Rittenhouse.pdf
Polybius
(15,331 posts)My heart goes out to those shot, so please don't take this the wrong way, buy why did they approach a right-winger with an assault rifle? I don't doubt their braveness, but why? Once again, I am in no way victim blaming.
sl8
(13,661 posts)As for the "why", I'm afraid I can't help there. Human behavior is beyond me.
sir pball
(4,737 posts)In a cold, purely legal sense, if Rosenbaum pursued Rittenhouse and then tried to grab his rifle...it's at least arguably justifiable. Shit shit shit.
Dem2
(8,166 posts)He'd be called a hero (hate to say this, but we know it's true.) Now only the left is calling him a hero for attempting to stop the killer.
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)JonLP24
(29,322 posts)They are not supposed to admit out loud mass shooters are their heros.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)But your record at accurate prognostications and reading chicken entrails seems lacking.
At best.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)The state wins the lion's share of cases that goes to trial. I can't find the exact numbers but if my memory serves me well it's over ninety percent.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Especially the manslaughter idea which is for accidentally or not meaning to kill someone. Not to mention "minimum security" for him.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)And if you have an ideological axe to grind it's likely you are not going to be chosen as a juror.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Not a general statement.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)In It to Win It
(8,224 posts)inwiththenew
(972 posts)This guy is a hero of the right. It goes well beyond George Zimmerman.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)uponit7771
(90,301 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Yavin4
(35,420 posts)I really don't. They don't care about anyone in the world except themselves and their race. So, why should I care that they've lost their jobs to global trade.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Is because Motorola had a manufacturing plant here that my mom moved out here. She bought a home and everything and she could afford until they closed down and went to China following PNTR.
FWIW we care about others which is why we don't vote for Republicans.
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)dustyscamp
(2,223 posts)greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)gulliver
(13,168 posts)I think we need to see the forest despite the trees. If Trump weren't president, we probably wouldn't have even had this police shooting and the resulting protests. But we certainly wouldn't have had a broken unit teenager rushing in and both looking for an bringing trouble. It's Trump's fault. And the Republican Senate's. And a dash of blame may go to Facebook too if the kid read the nutty posts they didn't take down.
The kid? You can't punish him enough to bring his victims back no matter what you do. But we can vote in November and stop Trump from inciting more kids like him.
Buckeyeblue
(5,499 posts)It'll be this time next year at the soonest before there is a trial. Maybe even longer. People claiming they support him now, won't even remember his name by the time his trial comes up.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)tenderfoot
(8,425 posts)rictofen
(236 posts)He'll walk on any murder or manslaughter-equivalent charges and might only get dinged for the possession by a minor misdemeanor.