Hillary: "With a population of 328 million in the United States, it may require 2.13 million deaths

[riversedge]

All in---- is having a segment on herd immunity right now


@HillaryClinton
“With a population of 328 million in the United States, it may require 2.13 million deaths to reach a 65 percent threshold of herd immunity, assuming the virus has a 1 percent fatality rate.”

Let’s not try out this strategy.

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[Laelth]

1. Thank you, Madame Secretary. k&r n/t

-Laelth

[at140]

2. Hillary is right, 175,000 deaths 0.05% of population

Not enough to cause either herd immunity or panic.

[Thomas Hurt]

3. meh, as far as the christofascists are concerned...

it doesn't matter how many people die out of 300 M, there will still be plenty of people to hate.

Christofascists are hyper-individualists. It has to be personal to matter to them. People will have to be dropping around them like flies before it will matter. 130K dead means as much to them as 20 dead children in Sandy Hook.

Just the price that must be paid for their convenience and satisfaction.

[2naSalit]

4. If antibodies only last weeks...

And reinfection is possible, there is no such thing as herd immunity, period.

[onecaliberal]

7. That. It just keeps going and killing.

[Calculating]

10. That's not exactly true

And if it was we'd all be doomed anyway. Covid-19 is thought to be like the cold, reinfection by a slightly mutated strain is possible, but in most cases doesn't lead to significant problems because the virus is no longer entirely "new" to the immune system.

[2naSalit]

12. And that is still in..

the speculation category too.

The point is, there's no certainty about anything other than it will continue beyond next year at this time and should a reliable vaccine be developed, we might be able to get a better grip on it... then.

[tblue37]

13. The most recent guy who experienced re-infection had worse symptoms the second time. nt

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[PoindexterOglethorpe]

17. Others who have supposedly been reinfected have had no symptoms.

[paleotn]

28. There's scant evidence of reinfection at this point.

A few cases here and there, out of what? 25 million plus cases world wide is meaningless in drawing overall conclusions with regard to immunity. The thing about those few cases here and there....most of the time they turn out to have other compounding factors. Plus, viral infection isn't cut and dried. It isn't like being pregnant, ie. either you are or you aren't. It's messy sometimes. But overall, we can draw conclusions from the data that hold true over the vast number of cases. Plus...there's a tiny minority out there who, through a lucky roll of the DNA mutation dice, are completely immune to Covid-19. And a larger group who have only minor symptoms for the same reason. That's always the case with human pathogens. Also, there's some evidence that those who've had lots of vaccinations, frequent travelers to 3rd world countries for instance, have a primed immune system in some way that makes them less susceptible to Covid-19. One thing is certain, in 2 years time this will be the most studied pathogen in human history. Our knowledge and ability to handle another outbreak like this will be light years from where it was last winter.

[paleotn]

23. Jury is still out on that...

The human immune system is extremely complex and much of its function is still unknown. Just because antibodies are relatively low in someone's bloodstream doesn't mean they've lost immunity. Most times it means the body has cleared the pathogen and there's no need for huge amounts of antibodies or other immune responses. But the immune system still remembers. There's been only a tiny handful of documented cases of possible reinfection. But that's far too few to draw any conclusions. As more data has become available, Covid-19 is acting just like any other coronavirus. Not some super bug from outer space. What worries me more than immunity is mutation. That's what made HIV so slippery and difficult to fight. Far different bug, but same concept. We are a 328 million host, gigantic petri dish for viral mutation. So even if a vaccine is produced early next year, we are not doing the vaccine makers or the rest of humanity any favors.

[Drahthaardogs]

5. 80% is required at an Ro of 5.6

, Crazy

[bullimiami]

6. Besides herd "immunity" only works if the body develops some lasting immunity.

There is no evidence of that.

So you’re shooting craps with 325 million lives.

[Calculating]

11. And if that's the case, then vaccines aren't possible

In other words, we're all screwed unless some kind of immunity or resistance is possible.

[thesquanderer]

15. ...or a successful treatment. n/t

[bullimiami]

20. right. we may have to learn to live with it. just what we should have been doing since day 1.

[Calculating]

31. Learn to live with it?

I'm sorry, but this is not life as it should be. Wearing masks everywhere, schools shut down, being afraid to visit our elders for fear of accidentally killing them, restaurants all gone, no concerts or live sports, etc. The only reason society as we know it hasn't crumbled is because the FED has the money printer on full steam.

[bullimiami]

33. No. Learn to live with it like the rest if the world. The sane world that is.

Get the numbers and transmission rates down to manageable levels.
Trace and isolate new cases.
Adjust as needed.

[bullimiami]

34. Adapt or die.

[paleotn]

25. Much evidence, actually. Very little that shows rapid loss of immunity.

And what do you mean by lasting? That's rarely the problem. Mutation is a far bigger problem in that regard. Thus, we vaccinate for flu every year. It's not that our immune system suddenly forgot what flu was. It's just never seen this year's version.

[spanone]

8. another wackadoodle in the trump cabal

[beachbumbob]

9. what about the 30-40 million that will have lifelong health issues?

[area51]

18. +1,

especially as we have no right to health care in the US, and with unregulated health care, it's extremely expensive.

[Dream Girl]

24. I guess they will have a "preexisting condition"

[beachbumbob]

32. and why GOP is doing all they can to allow insurance companies not to cover or upcharge

premiums.

[bucolic_frolic]

14. It's 1918 all over again

and the fatality rate is likely higher now

[warmfeet]

16. A type of herd immunity, or something much better, might be achievable with only

one additional death. I leave it to you to figure out which death might achieve this goal.

Hmm? Who could it be? Hmm?

[Moostache]

19. Hope its the same one I pray for every day...

I renew my plea to universal karma once more - please strike it dead, phone in hand half-done tweet unfinished forevermore...

[Ligyron]

22. I try to picture him dropping the phone, grabbing desperately his chest...

...and falling off his porcelain throne, hitting his head hard against the sink on the way down.

[IronLionZion]

21. Trump administration already decided to go for it

they just won't admit it publicly yet. And it's going to be nasty as millions of Americans find out they have underlying conditions they didn't know about and then suffer permanent organ damage.

[sandensea]

26. We may get to that number regardless

This has proven to be very hard to control even in countries whose governments have tried to encourage or impose social distancing - never mind one with an insolent reaction like Orange Amin's.

[BlueWavePsych]

27. 2.13 Million of these ...

[paleotn]

29. Unchecked, that's probably the butcher's bill for Covid-19 in the US.

For the rest of the humanity, millions upon millions more. Madness. Pure madness.

[geardaddy]

30. And they're not willing to volunteer

to be part of the people who die.