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PatSeg

(47,285 posts)
8. I agree
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 09:47 AM
Sep 2020

This time people are very focused and no one is forgetting 2016. Hopefully, voters will stay actively engaged in mid-term elections as well. There is so much work to do, we can't afford to become disengaged.

PatSeg

(47,285 posts)
12. This is quite unlike any election
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 10:09 AM
Sep 2020

anyone of us has ever seen. This really is the election of a lifetime. For all the times when politicians have said hyperbolic things like that, this time it is true. This could be the last free election in this country, if people don't take it seriously and many people realize that.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
13. The critical importance is historic in same way a pandemic is historic, this is THE moment
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 10:13 AM
Sep 2020

in our history that taking the wrong direction ends our country as we know it as the Supreme court could soon be 7-2 conservative and the whole laundry list of rulings the rightwing is waiting on

PatSeg

(47,285 posts)
16. If we had a better educated electorate,
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 11:07 AM
Sep 2020

I think more people would be aware of how consequential this moment is. Americans tend to live in a bubble and all the horrors that happen to people in other countries will never happen here. They take our democracy and our institutions for granted, nothing could possibly undermine them. Meanwhile, even as they ARE being undermined, many don't see it.

A few years ago, I read Erik Larson's book, "In the Garden of Beasts" and for the first time, I actually could see how that country devolved into fascism and I could look around me and see the same players in our own country today. A long time ago, I had read a book by Taylor Caldwell that also captured 1930s Germany very well. I can't remember a lot about the book, but I recall the struggle of sane, reasonable people in the midst of unthinkable horrors. I often feel that is where we are today.

By the way, Tom Hanks bought the movie rights to "In the Garden of Beasts" and it was rumored he would play the American ambassador. So far, it is still in "preproduction" unfortunately.

vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
14. Are you kidding?
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 10:15 AM
Sep 2020

People are going to vote this is not the same bullshit from 2016 this is a totally different ballgame now

Squinch

(50,922 posts)
2. This is great to see but all those swing states are still too close to overcome the cheating factor.
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 08:55 AM
Sep 2020

We need bigger, cheat-proof, margins.

But this says we are on the right path.

robbob

(3,522 posts)
18. If Joe can pull off a win in all three branches
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 12:26 PM
Sep 2020

I would love to see investigations into vote rigging and vote suppression. The only way to restore democracy in the USA is to start throwing people in jail for interfering in elections.

honest.abe

(8,617 posts)
7. Their rule for defining a toss up is weird.
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 09:42 AM
Sep 2020

Seems like anything less than a 10 point avg lead is considered a toss up which is absurd. I think other sites use 5 points as the cutoff.

I think they are doing to make it look not so terrible for Trump.

gristy

(10,667 posts)
11. Polling in many states is closer than at this time than in 2016
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 10:00 AM
Sep 2020

Scroll down to the 2nd table "RCP ELECTORAL SPREAD"

But I think I've read that polling methodology across the industry has been updated to attempt to correct the failures in 2016

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
15. 2016 was not a polling failure as the polls all indicated the closeness of the election
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 10:15 AM
Sep 2020

and trump won NO state that was outside the margin of error of the states he needed to be elected. Why the impact of less of 100,000 votes cast in 3 states WAS the difference

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