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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI struggled about posting this.
Let me say this.
I disagree with Malloy that Biden will lose.
But what Malloy says about how to counter fascism and how to overcome it,reading from a survivor of fascism makes total sense.
Appeals to morality does not fight fascism.
Biden needs to call trump a fascist,warn people that if they vote trump they'll be poorer,less secure ,less free,discrimination will be codified into law ,and people,even you could die.
Trump hates democracy and he hates the American people..
Biden needs to warn people what trump plans to do to them to ruin thier lives and make survival harder.
I think this is a good approach.everybody wants to survive.
I disagree with malloys statement of Biden losing.
But if Biden wants a guaranteed landslide warn people,tell them what fascism is and what it will do to them..
This the part I agree with in this Mike Malloy episode.
I am not putting it here to upset people. I think when it talks about countering fascism it makes a lot of sense.
Wish Biden could listen and use some of this info in his campaign.
That explained realize I am not posting this to dis Biden. I think some of the info could be very useful.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,523 posts)That took courage.
I hope many of us will view this video and discuss it calmly and appropriately.
Thank you!
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,462 posts)Of California.❤️
Laelth
(32,017 posts)I must assume that Biden will win.
-Laelth
I cannot accept any other reality. A Trump win is the death of democracy and the beginning of a US dictatorship. It is unacceptable. I honestly do not think I will want to live through it.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Mexico is about the only country that will accept Americans right now. Mercifully, her Spanish is adequate.
-Laelth
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)But if it does, I wish you and your daughter the best.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)That said, theres no harm in formulating an emergency escape plan.
Thank you for the kind wishes and words.
-Laelth
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)I couldn't agree more.
If that animal steals 2020, we are doomed. This is not the world I want to live in for another four years. I honestly don't know if I would survive another four years of this insanity.
The closer we get to November 3, the more anxious I am becoming, and not in a good way.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Hope you are hanging in there! I completely agree with you, but I don't know what to except to donate money, time and vote. I really don't think this country will survive a Trump victory, but I also fear his defeat will plunge us into a civil war. I think I would rather risk the latter. Anything to be rid of this evil and what he has unleashed upon us.
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)Stating the obvious, if Biden wins, Chump will be off the rails for his final two months in office, and will tie up whatever he can in the courts...a real mess. If Chump wins, then we have more problems because he'll have free reign for the next four years.
Biden will have a very full plate once he walks in the door. The clean-up of Chump's legacy will be enormous, time challenging, and life sucking. Joe and Kamala will spend the first year just getting us back to some kind of normalcy - time, by the way, I'm willing to grant them because the task will be "huuuuuge". First, they need to get their occupancy permit on Nov. 3.
I swing between excitement about our ticket to despair if this time is also stolen away from the Dems. The polls don't interest me after the debacle of 2016; I no longer have any faith or trust in them. I won't allow myself to get over-confident as I did for Hillary, only to be pushed into a pit of depression. I'm working, donating, and voting for Joe and Kamala because I believe in them, and they are our hope for our future.
57 days to go!
radius777
(3,635 posts)If Trump 'wins' a Democrat will never win the presidency again, as his voter suppression/rigging efforts will go into overdrive should he 'get away' with it working.
President for life... his kids will 'inherit' the presidency.
Yavin4
(35,421 posts)That turns them off. Biden wins if people turnout to vote. Those who are convinced that Trump is a Fascist are already voting. The key is to appeal to those on the fence about voting.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,462 posts)What fascism will mean for thier survival,they will be fickle. Biden needs people to understand what fascism will do to harm thier own survival.
That would get them off that fence I think.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,103 posts)monmouth4
(9,686 posts)I_UndergroundPanther
(12,462 posts)He is laying out how to fight fascism and fighting fascism is what will make sure Biden wins.
People are worried about survival about the future and thier kids.
Biden has to explain how fascism will change thier lives,and people need to be comforted and informed to stand with Biden against fascism.
Thekaspervote
(32,705 posts)Hit them in the pocketbook. Dotard will take away your SS and Medicare..because he will
He will take away your health insurance..now theres a real gut wrenching issue for many Americans
Americans are sick of covid, lay out a plan to finally get America back to work and school
Not saying that fascism isnt an issue, Im saying most Americans will think hes a conspiracy theorist if he starts talking about it. Use word phrases like our democracy depends on ...our future depends on.....things hes already saying
Barbara2423
(459 posts)fascism, communist, strong men, socialists. Republicans throw these words out and people become scared because they sounds scary but will not look up the meaning themselves. They also use few words in sentences, whereas Dems use more words when explaining their point and people get bored.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,462 posts)JI7
(89,240 posts)is that there are shitty people in the country who want bad things to happen to certain people.
And that things with voter suppression is what is more likely to hurt.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,462 posts)Dark triad personalities and they are the ones dragging us all twords fascism.
Acknowledge the bad people,but also educate people about fascism and what it will do to thier daily lives.
ihas2stinkyfeet
(1,400 posts)love him, but had to stop listening back in the air america days.
by that time of day, there was no new info, i was already pissed, and i needed to head to bed.
glad he is out there, tho. it's a good time slot to reach a lot of ppl. truckers, shift workers, etc.
a good counter to wingnut radio.
lapfog_1
(29,191 posts)But what evidence do we have on stopping it?
Where in history do we have a fascist dictator who didn't actually achieve the dictatorship / police state?
We have many examples of those who were ousted AFTER they became dictators... sometimes with war, sometimes with revolution, but mostly they grow old and the system they lead becomes so corrupt that it falls in upon itself.
But where do we have an example of ah already entrenched leader with fascist tendencies fail to reach dictatorship by "election" of someone that opposes him?
If there is history on this, then THAT is the strategy we should follow.
Sogo
(4,986 posts)and why should I care what he thinks?
radius777
(3,635 posts)always have. America has never been a democracy for everyone and white America has worked overtime for hundreds of years to make sure of that. There are virtuous whites who have always stood against this, but they are not enough to outnumber the evil whites.
I think Biden must attack Trump on the economy, which polls show is somehow his strength. Biden needs to drive home to voters that the stock market (which is artifically inflated by the Fed shoveling cheap money) and the economy are not the same thing. Regular people are being shit on while the big corps are bailed out. This is the message which will guarantee us the Midwest ie help us with working class whites and latinos which Biden needs to improve with, as well as progressives.
-Covid mishandling. he downplayed it to prop up the market while the bodybags piled up.
-Chaos. violence, crime and racial unrest are a result of Trump's intentional divisiveness as he thinks it helps him politically.
-Corporations. big corps are riding high with 'free money' while regular folks (small biz and workers) get shit on and sent into the pandemic to die for the 1 percent.
-healthCare - very important for most people including many who have lost their coverage due to losing their job.
Covid, chaos, corps and healthcare - those are the messages to hit on. Trump has no comeback for this, game over as long as we turn out the vote.
Thekaspervote
(32,705 posts)They firmly believe that the race has been upended by corona and that Biden will win.
This is a long read, but very worthy. If you want to skip to the numbers, where the race will be won right down to the counties see pg8 what will happen in 2020.
https://www.moodysanalytics.com/-/media/article/2020/us-presidential-election-update
brush
(53,742 posts)Jeebo
(2,021 posts)Thom Hartmann, Michelangelo Signorile, Chris Hayes, Rachel Maddow ... every day, and there is a limit to how much time I am able to spend listening to these kinds of shows. However, I will listen to this one show when I have the time. And thanks for posting it.
And if that's REALLY what Malloy says, I hope he's wrong. GOD, I hope he's wrong.
-- Ron