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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA simple observation about that dreaded attitude called "overconfidence"
Overconfidence can lead to under performing, sure. It is a serious threat in cases where fierce motivation is lacking. When you aren't enthusiastic about giving it your all to begin with, the belief that you don't really need to can be disastrous. That is not us. That is not now.
Think back two years. Fervent anti-Trump, anti-Republican organizing had been ongoing since November 2016. We all sensed a Blue Wave building. We worked for it, we believed in it, and truth be told, we expected it to happen. And it did. Sure we understood that nothing is in the bag until it is in the bag. We weren't overconfident in 2018, but we were overall confident.The scent of victory in the air did not breed complacency. If anything we smelled Republican blood in the water which drove us on. We began to believe that more and more seats lay within reach for Democrats, and we responded accordingly.
For all of the talk about the danger of overconfidence, not enough is said about the downside of insufficient confidence. When polls come out showing Biden leading Trump by ten points, you can almost count on someone responding to that news with the comment "we need to campaign as if we were ten points behind instead." No, we should not. People do not campaign well when they are ten points behind. They make unforced errors. They are plagued by doubts, they daily have to counter the fear that nothing they can do now will be enough, that victory is probably beyond reach, that it simply isn't worth fully committing yourself to a cause you sense is lost. If you have any doubt about the truth of that psychology simply study political fundraising. Money dries up for candidates who are perceived to be falling out of the running.
It is different to be trailing by a couple of points instead. Then it can seem that every dollar raised, every door bell rung, every phone call made, might be critical in turning the tide. Republicans need to believe that Trump is now, or very soon will be, within striking distance to win. That is the preferred scenario Republicans are desperately clinging on to, despite Trump's consistently poor performance ratings, despite an economy in deep recession, despite nearly 200,000 American deaths from a pandemic that clearly was horribly mismanaged. We shouldn't throw them any lifelines.
C'mon folks, we've all seen the old movies. There is a reason why the Scots were led into battle by a brigade of screaming bagpipes. It struck a note of fear into the hearts of their opponents, a belief that something was coming at them that they were powerless to stand up to. Skill, luck and valor defeat an enemy in a contest that is closely matched. But fear will rout an enemy that has come to believe all hope is lost. And many a victorious army has been driven to sweep aside all resistance by a belief in their own bright destiny.
MaryMagdaline
(6,851 posts)Excellent points. Excellent writing
brooklynite
(94,363 posts)Tom Rinaldo
(22,911 posts)They were the all powerful Roman Legions against which, it was feared, resistance would ultimately be futile.
Clearly the strength of one's forces matter in any contest. It is not merely a matter of out psyching one's opponents. But dread concerning an upcoming battle adds weight to one side of the scales, much like home court advantage does in a basketball game.
There were an unusual number of Republican incumbents who chose not to run for reelection this year, adding to Democratic chances.
ihas2stinkyfeet
(1,400 posts)and those suckers howled into battle.
i'll take bagpipes over braying mastiffs any day of the week, w an encore on sundays.
Aristus
(66,294 posts)Until the civil wars that rocked the late Republic, in which Romans fought Romans, the Legions mostly fought barbarian tribesmen. The fighting techniques of barbarian tribes centered around single-combat, in which a brave warrior could earn huge levels of respect, fear and admiration by fighting, in however large a mob of warriors, essentially alone, and for personal glory.
The Romans fought in ranks and files, working as a team, solely for the glory of Rome. They rarely broke off into smaller groups to fight it out individually.
The Romans' relentless, implacable, forward progress on the battlefield, no screaming, no howling, no emotional contribution to the atmosphere of terror and confusion, sowed so much fear into the hearts of their enemies that many of them broke and ran as soon as they saw the marching cohorts.
sarge43
(28,940 posts)Throw everything you had at them; they'd turtle and keep moving toward you.
Especially when they had a good commander, like Jules, they would have your ass.
Aristus
(66,294 posts)German POW's undergoing interrogation after capture, were asked which Allied troops they feared the most. Many of them replied "The Americans".
When asked why, a typical reply was "The French go into battle shouting, and the British go into battle singing. The Americans go into battle in total silence. There was something terrifying about these silent soldiers, relentlessly and implacably advancing on our positions."
sarge43
(28,940 posts)Can't see 'em, can't hear 'em, can't even smell 'em, but Gott mit uns they are out there.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,609 posts)even without bagpipes, but besides their superior weapons - longbows - they had Henry V, a respected leader, while the French king Charles VI (also known as Charles the Mad) was psychotic and incompetent, and his troops were disorganized and undisciplined. The French commanders relied on numbers alone, and were so overconfident that their army had already started preparing to celebrate the victory before the battle had started. They had even built a special cart in which they planned to parade the defeated English King. The night before the French troops sang the songs of victory and taunted the English for their small numbers and imminent defeat ("I fart in your general direction"?).
We have Donald the Mad to contend with, and his campaign, apparently led by the likes of Jared Kushner does seem to be disorganized and undisciplined. Bring out the longbows.
catbyte
(34,341 posts)November 8, 2016 proved that the absolute worst can--and did--happen. If anything, Biden being up in the polls is motivating us to work even harder to make sure that what those polls are showing becomes a reality the morning of November 4, 2020.
Being ahead creates energy, being behind depresses energy and donations.
LakeArenal
(28,806 posts)We are going to win. That doesnt mean everybody can stop working toward that goal.
But Im confident in winning.
Johnny2X2X
(18,973 posts)We'd be seeing 80% of Dems all but giving up right now.
LakeArenal
(28,806 posts)Not a great one. Democrats I know and work with have never given up. We all vote. Mid term This term. Every election.
dalton99a
(81,404 posts)LakeArenal
(28,806 posts)beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)it was a democratic tidal wave of wins
Tom Rinaldo
(22,911 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)Also Dems have over performed in EVERY special election in the last years winning many deep red seats.
Also note that the polls are using 2016 turnout models for their projections which is reasonable but will be found to be wrong.
Trump's campaign will have a high turnout similar to 2016 but Dems will have 2018 level turnout.
BannonsLiver
(16,313 posts)Is not being able to talk about polling, or developments in the race like the Atlantic story without some low info reactionary saying:
1-Well the polls dont matter!1!1
2-Hillary was 9 pts up at this time in 20161!!
3-Well itll never change the minds of his supporters!11
Yes the polls DO matter, no Hillary was never that far ahead in 2016 and thats not the point you low info twits.
Heres the thing, not all of us have 2016 PTSD. Some of us can talk about polls and the race without needing to start every conversation with qualifiers about GOTV, or without melting down. Doesnt mean were overconfident. It just means were paying attention and using our brains for something beyond knee jerk stupidity.
Silent3
(15,148 posts)A ten-point spread in national polling is very, very, very unlikely to be eclipsed by state-specific Electoral College math.
Theoretically possible, yes, but damned unlikely. The biggest EC upset (Rutherford B. Hayes, 1876) only overcame a popular vote gap of slightly over 3%. (There was a bigger gap in 1824, but that was a 4-way race, and nothing like presidential races are run today.)
GeorgiaPeanut
(360 posts)In 2016, rural whites without college degree were undercounted because they rarely voted before 2016 but came out in droves in 2016.
Since then, the polling outfits have changed the models and included a representative sample of the rural whites without college degree at the rates they voted in 2016.
So 9 points + in 2016 is not the same thing as 9 points plus in 2020. The 2020 models accurately reflect Trump's support unlike in 2016.
Sugarcoated
(7,716 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)And we'd be getting beaten over the head with them.
I don't rely on the polls but I also would rather be in the polling position we're in right now than on the other side.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)tidal wave outcome, meanwhile Media did all they did to underplay. Which is just ok in my book.
LakeArenal
(28,806 posts)2020 is not 2016.2. Its a completely different Democratic Party. We start with two beloved candidates. The (unmerited)
hatred of Hillary is not as prevalent for Joe. 2020 is about right side of history vs wrong side. Period.
Not even Democrat vs Republican.
BlueWavePsych
(2,635 posts)ihas2stinkyfeet
(1,400 posts)a tsunami happens when a huge wave meets the beach. it has nowhere to go but up.
18 was fueled by the bottom of the ticket. here in northern illinois, we flipped several seats on red county boards, including flipping control of lake county, and iirc, kane.
we got 3 new dems on a 18 member board of dupage county for a total of 4. dupage was the home of henry hyde, peter ro-scum and before that joe walsh. now repped by raja krishnamorthi.
work the bottom of the ticket, peeps. flip your city council. your county board. your state house. your judiciary.
cuz it will take dems all the way to the ground level to turn this ship around.
nowhere to go but up, folks.
only question now is how high.
and what to do w the stinking garbage that the tide doesnt take out.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Gave us the turn around in traditional red areas in suburbs. The basic fact that GOP and trump had fundamental mis understanding of the outcome is obvious. Well to do surburbs WERE the traditional GOP areas until they were screwed with massive federal tax increases.
Alacritous Crier
(3,813 posts)Spot on!
GeorgiaPeanut
(360 posts)SOS Clinton did not attack Trump viciously because she was advised not to rock the boat and that she would win. She played footsy with the fake email imbroglio instead of attacking it head on. She took WI and MI for granted and didn't visit there in the last weeks.
This made many voters think that the election was in the bag and their vote was not needed.
That history makes everyone motivated this time around. No one is going to not vote unless they are comatose.
A different dynamic altogether.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,911 posts)2016 triggered a movement that has not hesitated since then in its resolve to remove Trump and all those who enable him from power. Lessons were learned and they have NOT been forgotten
GeorgiaPeanut
(360 posts)delisen
(6,042 posts)Ignoring facts is an exercise in feelgoodisn.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,911 posts)Ignoring what has changed though could be called feelbadism:
"Reasons why Trump's 2016 upset will not be repeated"
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214001216
GeorgiaPeanut
(360 posts)Actually, the influence is less in 2020 than in 2016 because people are wise to it.
Cosmocat
(14,559 posts)Rs are cocky all the fucking time, and I literally have not heard them being chastised for being OVER CONFIDENT once in my entire life.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)We need to get off this broken record of "Act like we're 10 points behind!!!!!!" Which is tantamount to "Resistance is futile. Surrender Dorothy."
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)I'm sick of being lectured about not being "overconfident" when I've seen absolutely no evidence - either in my personal interactions and work or in any regional or national news coverage or discussions - of Democrats being the least bit overconfident. We're still working our asses off. It's just that we're saying " Damn! We can win this thing. Let's work harder to make it happen!"
I suspect that the "don't get overconfident - you can still LOOOOOSE!" is more designed to tamp down our enthusiasm than ensure that we stay focused.
GeorgiaPeanut
(360 posts)crickets
(25,952 posts)Tommymac
(7,263 posts)Not saying ALL who are espousing this pov are Putin trolls, but a small but significant % are operatives.
They are real and exist on all major Progressive websites. It is part of the Putin funded effort to impact Our election process. Some have more then likely been around for a decade or more. (Yes, unfortunately even here. I'm sure the admins get 95% of them eventually, but without trying to scare anyone or putting on tin hats we must admit they exist so we can counter them. Reality bites.
But honestly for informed folks the real long term trolls are fairly easy to spot, counter and avoid. I am very confident these efforts are backfiring this year, as the rational electorate is more engaged then anytime in my 60+ years on this Earth and sees them for waht they really are.
We must continue to be a reality based movement, and fight the temptation to give in to all the anxiety and fear tactics being used everywhere - the fact that the Thugs are going there so heavily means they ain't got nothing else, whereas the left has the momentum, the desire and the will to succeed against all odds THIS year.
GOTV, stay vocal and 'Don't worry BE Happy' and We ARE going to prevail if we keep informed and enthusiastic.
Thanks for the great reality based OP, btw.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,609 posts)The prevailing attitude seems to be that GOTV and protecting the vote is absolutely essential because of the widespread and realistic concern that Trump and his minions will lie, cheat and steal to win. I think we know we would win a fair election but we also know that Trump will try to make this one unfair.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,911 posts)That was my concern in writing this OP, but I failed to adequately consider that it could be happening by design as much if not more so than reflecting our anxiety over the outcome. Good point.
Sugarcoated
(7,716 posts)and over and over. Not in those exact words, of course. I always use the sports metaphors. Winners believe they can win and project it. It's a mental game...
Sugarcoated
(7,716 posts)Do you mind if I share this with my friends on social media?