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He sat on the tapes for six months.
underpants
(182,769 posts)Not his responsibility to lead.
agingdem
(7,845 posts)Woodward is a self serving author..he didn't kill anyone...all of this Trump bilge is after the fact ...bottom line: Trump chose fairy dust over science and human life...it was all about his ratings...
brush
(53,764 posts)The revelations in this book just cost him the election.
Baitball Blogger
(46,700 posts)Our kind of system of government doesn't work if we don't have journalists and writers keeping us properly informed.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,326 posts)5X
(3,972 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,326 posts)unrealistic.
5X
(3,972 posts)With that attitude, what use is news?
sfstaxprep
(9,998 posts)A book and tapes by Bob Woodward would hardly have had an impact. Most who will buy or read it, probably knew Drumpf was Full Of Shit months ago.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,326 posts)Some people think that talking about it over and over again will somehow get Trump supporters to change their votes. Others think that we're simply one bombshell away from Trump "imploding" or "resigning" or getting to a place he "can't come back from." Others believe that there's a key -- a person, a piece of news, a victory, a photo -- that will make all of this go back to what it was. None of these change the fact that Trump simply doesn't give a shit, he knows we know it, his supporters know it. Now what?
I'm not being cynical or dismissive, although I'm sure it sounds as though I am. What I mean is, it doesn't matter if we think things should or shouldn't be this way. We're way past "should." What are people going to do about it?
ProfessorGAC
(64,995 posts)Prior to the taping, PINO was already downplaying the seriousness.
Those cultists who heard that then still think it's overblown or worse, a hoax.
Once the word "hoax" was used regarding the virus, nothing Woodward revealed would have mattered.
People are still throwing public tantrums over being asked to wear a mask.
What makes you think that thought process would have been swayed, after the fact?
Kaleva
(36,294 posts)Trump supporters and most members of the GOP continue to support despite everything that has come out. There's no reason , other then wishful thinking, that it would have bee ndifferent in this case.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)or taken out of context, and all his GOP bobbleheads and Fox would have agreed and gone after Woodward.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,326 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,369 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)who knew the truth and did nothing.
All so he could make money off a book he was writing. Sickening.
hlthe2b
(102,225 posts)We all knew that Trump didn't give a shit about people dying of COVID. This only confirms what we already knew.
Would anything have happened differently if it came out earlier? Probably not.
Good try, though.
jayfish
(10,039 posts)agreed to a NDA that expired upon publication of the book. Regardless we need to stop shooting the messenger. This is like the fifth or sixth thread I've seen on this.
Yavin4
(35,437 posts)empedocles
(15,751 posts)needs all sorts of information and witnesses to come out.
Instant, righteous, purist tests may not be helpful as these trials proceed.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)Makes a guy wonder. Yes, it does.
5X
(3,972 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Even if Woodward had released this it would have affected absolutely nothing. The information was already out there through other media sources. Trump would have acted no differently than he actually did.
TheBlackAdder
(28,183 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)His old partner Bernstein back in the Watergate era was the ground pounder who made that duo happen. Bobby Boy just bagged the profits.
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)Heres the book... I think timing is great.
There are only 2 kinds of people out there - those of us who already know everything he says is bullshit, and those who wont believe that/just dont care. Dumpster Fire would have changed NOTHING if the tapes came out. He would have doubled down and yelled fake news! The response, and the actions of his idiotic followers, would have been identical.
It took so many people dying to pry loose some of his cult. It wouldve taken the same deaths if the tape came out months ago.
Its pure fantasy to think the release would have changed anything. We see him caught out on lying time and time again, but it never matters to that core base, and it never causes him to change a thing.
How many deaths do you think trump is responsible for? Who was able to act regarding nationally taking responsibility for guiding the country through this pandemic, Woodward or trump?
tritsofme
(17,376 posts)What a silly thread.
mzmolly
(50,985 posts)It was Trump's responsibility to act vs. lie.
Autumn
(45,056 posts)Squinch
(50,949 posts)tapes when he got them, you are exonerating Donny Bodybags.
It doesn't work that way.
Both have culpability. Of course Donny Bodybags's is much larger, but Woodward could have changed the national conversation much earlier, and this "anti-mask/covid is a hoax" cult would have had many fewer adherents.
You are absolutely right.
5X
(3,972 posts)At some point, it became prudent for Woodward to speak out and it wasn't when his book was published.
Maybe, maybe not, but the point is valid that by holding on to the tapes, he made sure we'll never know. Given the number of lives in the balance, I reserve the right to be almost as angry with Woodward as I am with trump.
I'm also quite capable of separating blame and holding two people responsible for two different things.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,585 posts)crimycarny
(1,351 posts)Trump would have spun this and his base would have bought it. At the time the virus was in its infancy and lots of people downplayed it, including Fauci who initially said masks werent necessary! Obviously Fauci must have had the same intelligence as Trump, so he knew better!
As late as February 29th the Surgeon General told people to stop buying masks. Said they were ineffective.
At the time Fauci claimed masks werent necessary I remember turning to my husband and saying hes lying. Hes worried healthcare workers wont have masks if people start panic buying them. We started wearing masks.
While I get Faucis concern I think it was the wrong decision. Tell the American people the truth. Tell them cloth masks and social distancing is sufficient. Maybe some would still have panicked, but also maybe we could have stopped the virus in its tracks. Or at least slowed it down by a lot.
Montelimar
(83 posts)he isn't an epidemiologist, he isn't FEMA, he isn't the CDC.
Your "president" and his "government" failed us. Not Woodward.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)Yippie!