Those attacking Woodward need to rethink.

[MineralMan]

Those attacks are apologist arguments for Trump. Ridiculous!

[SmartVoter22]

1. Like Nixon, it was the tapes.

Woodward's new book, is not the problem for conservatives in attack mode.

It's the fact that there are 18 hours of audio tapes. Actual recordings that cannot be faked.

What level of stupid is a candidate that sits for 18 hours of recordings? Not that they should not do this, but finding one who voluntarily does this and can stay uncontroversial would be a wonderful thing to see.

We all know, if Trump did this ( which he did) at what time stamp would he have started lying?

I'm guessing that the first minute would not have been reached before some falsehood flowed past his tiny lips.

[panader0]

2. The attacks seem to focus on why he didn't release earlier.

Somehow it seems that this was a very good time to speak up. Closer to the election,
the pandemic is worse, trump is off the rails, it takes the repubs focus off of the so-called
commie riots, and more and more.
Whether Woodward planned it that way I don't know, but it is causing a furor now and that's good.

[MineralMan]

5. Agreed.

[Thekaspervote]

3. Yes they do!! No one book, or tape or interview has sunk dotard. The timely release of this book

With so much information may damage him in the election. Timing is everything..as they say.

I don’t think it will tank his polls, but the way I see it, a few days here a few days there all the while the election draws closer and the narrative slips away from him. He’s at his worst when having to play defense. That addled brain just can’t handle it, leaving him exposed to say the kind of conspiracy theory crap that makes people run the other way. Of course, not speaking about his cult base.

[underpants]

4. How do you know they'll print it?

Higgins : Hey, Turner! How do you know they'll print it? You can take a walk. But how far if they don't print it?
Joe Turner : They'll print it.
Higgins : How do you know?

Three Days of theCondor

Yes it’s Woodward so it will be published but how much traction would it have gotten? We were still very early on. Trump had all the info but he also had the biggest microphone.

[MineralMan]

6. Yes. At the time, it wouldn't

have had much impact. Now, it demonstrates that Trump deliberately deceived the public with malicious intent.

[Klaralven]

30. These days printing occurs with the push of a button to download it to all those Kindles on 9/15.

[Trumpocalypse]

7. No

Because if Woodward had spoken up sooner maybe lives would have been saved. Almost 200,000 people have died each and every one of those lives is more important than Woodward’s book sales or the political damage done to Trump.

[MineralMan]

8. Very doubtful. Now, it will help ensure

Trump does not get four more years to destroy or nation. Fire for effect. Always.

[Thekaspervote]

9. 👍👍👍

[Trumpocalypse]

12. You don't know that

There is no reason to hide the truth especially when people’s lives are at stake. Even if it had saved just one life by Woodward coming forward sooner it would have been worth it.

[Leith]

32. No, we don't

But we had the examples set by China, Korea, Vietnam, Italy, Belgium, and on and on to look at, get a freakin' clue, and decide what course of action to take. The goons in charge of the US decided to do nothing but try to make a buck off of people's serious illness.

Yes, it bothers me quite a bit that the number dead is racing toward 200,000. I or somebody I care about could very well join that number.

But the tapes could have been lost in the chaos and confusion months ago. Today's newest outrage will be thrown on the pile of the rest of the outrages, but it will be a memory fresh enough to not completely disappear before Nov. 3.

[Trumpocalypse]

34. You don't know the tapes would have been lost

It's about decency and not politics. If Woodward coming forward earlier rather than suppressing the truth until he could make money from a book had saved even just one person’s life it would have been worth it

[yardwork]

22. This doesn't make logical sense to me.

It seems to me that the single most important goal is to elect Biden. That will save lives.

Second, I don't see how Woodward speaking up earlier would have helped. Nothing will change Trump's response to the pandemic. He has proven to be immune to every rational, logical approach and argument.

The only way to save lives is to elect Biden. Woodward's timing helps achieve that goal.

That's all I've got. I could be wrong. Maybe Woodward is a self-serving asshole. He probably is. He is what he is.

[Trumpocalypse]

28. It's not about logic, it's about decency

If Woodward coming forward earlier rather than suppressing the truth until he could make money from a book had saved even just one person’s life it would have been worth it

[yardwork]

29. I've given up trying to find decency in most journalists.

Where was the decency in the MSM carrying on about Hillary's emails and "health problems" while they giggled and fawned over Trump?

I mean, most of them are disgusting. I've witnessed it in person. They're highly amused by Trump. They're ghouls.

[Trumpocalypse]

31. I agree

[uponit7771]

10. Woodward could be wrong for not *SMARTLY* revealing what he knew about CV19 lethality to general

...populous of America and one could still support Woodwards coming forth with info in the book

[GusBob]

11. Theres nothing to think about, its simple

What Woodward did was wrong

You are playing Trumps game sir

Politics over human lives

Simply vile

[Trumpocalypse]

13. Well said nt

[Squinch]

16. Very well said. Vile is the right word.

[Skittles]

26. I agree with this assessment

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and it's not just Woodward who disgusts me, it's ALL the people who are well aware of Trump's incompetence and corruption and are not willing to SPEAK UP - ENOUGH ALREADY, this is literally KILLING PEOPLE

[moondust]

14. Duty to warn?

[Hekate]

19. Like nobody else in the WH had this information?

[moondust]

23. At some point they did.

But I don't know when they found out from the horse's mouth.

[Squinch]

25. The inhabitants of the White House aren't really a standard of ethical behavior.

[mindfulNJ]

15. What?

Because I am upset with Woodward withholding information that could have potentially saved thousands of lives I am an apologist for trump??? Trump did it and Woodward kept mum about it for 7 months! I am upset with both of these men for their actions...what is so hard to understand?

[Squinch]

17. Yeah. Second time I saw that little chestnut of perfect illogic. Wonder where they read it.

Some people don't seem to be able to hold two thoughts in their heads at one time.

[mindfulNJ]

20. I am scratching my head.

Completely illogical as you said...wtf.

[Hekate]

18. It looks like they want to kill the messenger

The book is coming out at the exact right time, according to Claire McCaskill in her excellent rant.

[mindfulNJ]

21. It's actually a bit late

for 190,000 dead Americans but whatever....

[GeorgeGist]

24. Sorry Charlie ...

they're both wrong.

[Takket]

27. i guess i'll just file it under "better late than never"

i'd like to think if this hit the news in february that drumpf would have been shamed by his own words into doing more about the virus, but i think his own panic about screwing up the economy and also being a deer in headlights with no clue what to do about it, probably would have led us down the same road. but shame is a quality he doesn't have.

[maxrandb]

33. Look, the blame for this entire shitshow belongs to Donnie Shit for Brains

But, how can we NOT hold Woodward accountable for information that may have saved TENS OF THOUSANDS OF LIVES ?

This would be like knowing about the attacks on 9/11, and deciding that it's just not the time to inform the country.

"Hey, wink-wink... maybe you should skip work at the World Trade Center tomorrow".

Why excuse him of his responsibility as a member of the human race?

We can... AND MUST hold Donnie Dollhands accountable, and right fucking now, scanning Dante's Inferno doesn't provide me with an acceptable, proportional punishment for Donnie Dipshit and his asspickle enablers.

But, to have information that may have saved 100K+ American lives, and not do all you can to get it out seems criminal and inhumane to me.

Maybe you hold it back as we're getting to 20,000 dead, but when you hit 100,000 dead and 50 million jobs lost, you have an OBLIGATION to pound the fucking table.

It's not your obligation as a journalist... It's your obligation as a FUCKING HUMAN BEING!!!!

[Hekate]

35. I have rethought my defense of Woodward thanks to Charlie Pierce

Here is my mea culpa

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100214051862