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PCIntern

(25,518 posts)
Thu Sep 10, 2020, 06:03 AM Sep 2020

Ruminations this morning...

I’m sitting in my kitchen waiting for the floodwaters to go down in my street from the torrential rain so I could leave for work.

It occurred to me that the Trump phenomenon or nightmare or holocaust is due to the overinvestment of Americans in celebrity status. Because he was a celebrity he was granted rights and privileges to which no one is entitled.

A number of years ago, a young lady mentioned to me that Paris Hilton was her generations version of Elizabeth Taylor. I said to her that Elizabeth Taylor starting as a child actress and evolving into a superstar with immense beauty and talent was so many levels above Paris Hilton that it’s embarrassing. Her response to me was but she was a celebrity too. And I Nodded, and said yes but she achieved her celebrity status following a significant career in film. The fact that she was multiply married, and the victim of several significant tragedies is what made her into the weird celebrity status which she attained. Paris Hilton, other than coincidentally coming from the same family as Liz’s first husband who abused her horribly on their honeymoon, had no career to speak of. Her video credits were sketchy to say the least.

But this is the problem: we have elevated a certain class of people into a stratosphere in which they are revered no matter what their behavior, no matter what their sins, no matter what their venality is. It is thus that we achieved this nadir Of politics. That is to say the nadir so far, the bottom seems to keep falling out from underneath us.

On edit one more thing. Trump mentioned “the touch“. I have read over the years in various literary milieu that the wealthy are nervous about what they call “the touch“. That’s why they hesitate to shake hands, if they do it’s a light touch and they pull away almost instantly. I’ve had occasion to experience that myself And if I recall correctly, the first time I ever read about that was in Ian Fleming’s Goldfinger, when Bond meets the title character. I may be mistaken, but I’m pretty sure it’s in there. Mini years ago I treated one of the DuPont family and it was exactly as described. I never offered my hand again even though I saw him on many occasions in my office.

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Ruminations this morning... (Original Post) PCIntern Sep 2020 OP
Famous for being famous dawg day Sep 2020 #1
Khardashians. Ilsa Sep 2020 #2
I still don't "get" the kardashians Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2020 #3
+1 Ferrets are Cool Sep 2020 #9
I've never watched their show. Ilsa Sep 2020 #11
Two great DU minds making the same point at the same time (I'm not the other one!) Squinch Sep 2020 #4
Yep malaise Sep 2020 #5
IMV people who watch these meaningless reality shows about other people, and there are many, onetexan Sep 2020 #6
The Touch is also probably the same as The Bankers Handshake. Leaves you feeling empty handed. BSdetect Sep 2020 #7
True of both Reagan and Schwarzenegger in CA. ananda Sep 2020 #8
I believe to be a "celebrity", you have to be celebrated. CaptYossarian Sep 2020 #10
"Donnie Deathtoll." Perfect. nt Ilsa Sep 2020 #12
In the 1990s and 2000s era leighbythesea2 Sep 2020 #13
Interesting comment the "touch" Ferryboat Sep 2020 #14

Ilsa

(61,692 posts)
2. Khardashians.
Thu Sep 10, 2020, 06:51 AM
Sep 2020

I don't like reality tv.

There are second (or third?) generations of acting families performing now. At least they are working, not just wearing branded fashions on tv.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,323 posts)
3. I still don't "get" the kardashians
Thu Sep 10, 2020, 06:59 AM
Sep 2020

Every couple years I would look over to my boyfriend and say “what the fuck is a kardashian? Wasn’t that oj’s lawyer?”

Something about a sex tape and Bruce Jenner.

Me: never mind

Ilsa

(61,692 posts)
11. I've never watched their show.
Thu Sep 10, 2020, 09:27 AM
Sep 2020

And I find the desire to look at their personal lives to be bizarre curiosity. And I think they are strange to be so open, like they have no boundaries. I wouldn't want to be them or in their circle of friends.

malaise

(268,863 posts)
5. Yep
Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:45 AM
Sep 2020

The Con is absolute proof that dumb buffoons can also be celebrities, Blame M$Greedia because anything that will make people watch is good to go. After all Honey Boo Boo is also a celebrity.

onetexan

(13,033 posts)
6. IMV people who watch these meaningless reality shows about other people, and there are many,
Thu Sep 10, 2020, 07:53 AM
Sep 2020

have so little going on, or so little that interest them in their own lives, that they vicariously live through these rich/infamous people like the Kardashians, the Housewives shows, etc. Why anyone would waste so much time on such garbage viewing makes no sense to me.

As Eleanor Roosevelt said, "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."

ananda

(28,856 posts)
8. True of both Reagan and Schwarzenegger in CA.
Thu Sep 10, 2020, 08:30 AM
Sep 2020

Reagan is also behind all of this.

A nice white Nazi, avuncular, appealing
to a new morning in America....

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
10. I believe to be a "celebrity", you have to be celebrated.
Thu Sep 10, 2020, 09:07 AM
Sep 2020

Dr. King. Jonas Salk, Gandhi, John Glenn, President Obama, etc. should be celebrated. The world is a better place because of them. Even Laurel and Hardy should be celebrated. The world laughed during the Great Depression.

Paris Hilton is simply well-known. Shallow airheads can celebrate her. At least Liz never forgot to wear panties in public.

And Donnie Deathtoll will forever be notorious. That's a different category in itself.

leighbythesea2

(1,200 posts)
13. In the 1990s and 2000s era
Thu Sep 10, 2020, 02:11 PM
Sep 2020

which ncluded Hilton i became very distressed at the amount of reality television and glorified bad behavior. My daughter was 11. I forbade viewing. It seemed like an important part of civil society had been breached. Notoriety got confused with fame. (I think Don Henley has a song about this). Then i read studios saved tons of money over sitcoms, dramas etc. You know paying talent is expensive. Everyone lost, except the horrible participants and the studios.

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