Trump owns 100% CV19 lies & Woodward could've SMARLTY warned America about lethality of CV19. BOTH..

[uponit7771]

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Trump owns lies about CV19 & Woodward could've SMARLTY warned America about lethality of CV19

BOTH can be true

Few are saying Woodward should've released his book OR EVEN THE TAPES ... 2 days after he found out from Trump (after talking to China's president, WTF?!) that he was understating the lethality of CV19

Just SMARTLY release information on the lethality of CV19 to his myriad of sources, knowing Trump was stupid and there were others in the admin who knew the bug was airborne he couldn't be pinned for the leak.

Its not true to claim The general public

1. in America knew about the extent of the airborne lethality level of CV19 as much as Trump did in Jan / Feb
2. knowing the bug was airborne would've done little to no different, I sure in the hell would have.

Lets get the messaging straight before the false dichotomy of either or is pushed out as an excuse for Trump

MESSAGE: Trump owns 100% of the CV19 lies even if others could've warned the general public earlier.

What say you?

tia

[Towlie]

1. Maybe he doesn't know how to do something SMARLTY. Anyway, here's Woodward's defense:

Washington Post Article (if you can get past the paywall)

And, I mean, really, can't you just take a quick glance at what you typed before you post it?

[uponit7771]

3. Nah, I need to know who's going to deflect with spell/grammar checking cause its a good way to figur

... out who doesn't really want to talk about the essence of the matter.

[underpants]

2. It's not Bob's job to make Blob do his

Others in the Admin knew. Jared knew.

Trump should resign. Anyone else with this overwhelming first person evidence would either resign or be FIRED!!!

200,000. By all accounts it could have kept to 60,000.

HE KNEW. that’s all that need be said.

[Thekaspervote]

12. Exactly! The reaction to blame Woodward is exactly what dotard wants you to do..think about it

I take no responsibility, but that doesn’t mean this guy shouldn’t have

That is totally indefensible

[pwb]

4. Blame the source is a Trump play.

Still works for some but not many.

[GemDigger]

5. D's knew how bad it was and they stayed home and masked up when out. The R's

would NOT have listened to a reporter who is NOT on fox news and there was no way in hell that fox would have let woodward on the show. So what section of the people would he have gotten to?

It is up to we the people to get the news, it was out there. I knew the third week of January and cancelled a trip that had been planned for two years.

[uponit7771]

6. Not in Jan/Feb when Trump knew the lethality of CV19, that's not true at all

[GemDigger]

8. I knew. Not Woodwards fault that some did not.

[uponit7771]

9. Again, DU posters are the 20% of informed people not the 80% you knowing does NOT mean the

... avg Joe knows in Jan / Feb.

It was not well circulated information in Jan/Feb that the virus was airborne and masks was the best way to contain it.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

7. Woodward says he didn't know where Trump was getting his info at the time

or whether it was true, and he knew that a lot of what Trump says isn't true. https://apnews.com/99916044401d8f8e24eb7bedfec1d5d2 If he'd released the tape at the time, not knowing whether Trump was telling the truth, it could have easily been discredited. Trump owns this, not Woodward.

[uponit7771]

10. No, not release the tape ... that's not what the OP says. I'm saying leak the info on the lethality

... of the bug, that could've been done smartly.

He didn't have to leak the tapes, just that the bug was lethal and airborne in Feb ... that would've made so much difference.

Most of America didn't know that information

There are doctors on TV RIGHT NOW saying the same thing !!

Just leak that little bit of data would've made such a difference, not the whole book or even the tapes.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

11. That fact was already known. I knew it. My friends knew it.

By the third week in February Costco was almost sold out of toilet paper even though there were only a few cases in my state at that point because people knew this thing was highly infectious. Trump owns this 100%, not because he didn't tell the country how it was transmitted, but because he said it wasn't all that serious and would go away soon.

[uponit7771]

14. Murphy didn't know in Jan / Feb the virus was airborne he said such here (link)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214051687

The general public did NOT know about CV19 being lethally airborne in Jan / Feb, you knowing doesn't address that claim.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

16. The point isn't the means of transmission; it's the fact that it was spreading fast

and that it was dangerous. That's what Trump lied about. And even in late January-early February when it turned up on a cruise ship, the fact that it was most likely spread by coughing, breathing, etc. was known. I remember talking about it in February with a friend who had been on the same ship a few weeks earlier. Trump's failure was in not disclosing the severity of the disease or that it would spread quickly in the US, and then in failing to do anything about it.

[uponit7771]

20. The point ... IS ... the means of transmission !! I didn't know it was airborne in Jan / Feb and I

..., along with NJ Gov Murphy, would've made different choices if I knew then.

I thought, like the CDC was claiming over and over again, that wearing gloves was the best way to stop the virus.

I was looking at the CDC thinking there was NO WAY they could corrupt that place too ... no, I'm no different than Murphy and he's a smart guy.

Again, ... YOU ... knowing doesn't mean the Jane Q general public knew.

You're more informed than the average person

[LisaL]

19. It's a respiratory virus. How do you think it spread?

I didn't need to be briefed about it, and could figure it out.

[uponit7771]

21. Like NJ Gov Murphy I'm not a virologist (link) I didn't know how respitartory virus's spread at that

... time and to expect Jane Q Public to know how all respiratory viruses pass at that time is not sound thinking about Jane Q Public.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214051687


I honestly though touching my face was the best way to get CV19 cause that was what the CDC was pushing, no ... not everyone knew including smart blue state govs

[LisaL]

26. What does word "respiratory" mean to you?

NT

[uponit7771]

37. Lung System, not airborne pathogens ... at THAT time. REALLY ?! Murphy's stupid too ?! (link)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214051687

WOW folk, people are walking all over each other to prove Jane Q Public should've know what Trump knew about the bug in Jan / Feb ... FUCKIN WOW !!

[kentuck]

13. The actions of one do not make the actions of another innocent.

Both can be true.

[uponit7771]

15. +1

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

17. But Trump was the person with the duty and responsibility to act.

Don't let the GOP deflect the blame.

[LisaL]

18. WTF makes this Woodward's responsibility?

Trump was briefed on this. He is likely not the only one who was briefed on this.
A lot of people had this information, and frankly I didn't need Trump to tell me this was a dangerous virus.
But yea, lets blame a reporter for this.

[sanatanadharma]

22. The day we were told it is no different than the flu, we all knew it flew in the air.

When the world of trump began to say the new corona virus was the same as the flu, we were being told that day that it was airborne, obviously, as the flu we all knew is airborne.

The anti-maskers are two-faced; both unmasked as moral-morans (sic) then and as idiots now.

[uponit7771]

23. NJ Gov Murphy didn't know either (link) and he's a smart blue state gov. I thought touching my face

... was the most effective way to get the virus and I'm not a virologist.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214051687

The claim that Jane Q Public knew the extent of airborne lethality of CV19 in Jan / Feb isn't true.

[LisaL]

25. I am pretty sure I even posted about it being airborne early on.

And it didn't make sense that we were told not to wear masks.

[sanatanadharma]

27. Not knowing the extent of lethality doesn't negate knowing the wisdom of masking.

My main take-away from the story of the USA, is that too many estadounidenses are morally-mean, factually-vacuous and religiously-wrong.
The mask madness unmasks the massive-ego mentality of millions of minions.

[uponit7771]

31. You left out airborne, and even with that word in there if you're not a virologist or someone who's

... informed about airborne pathogens, which 90% of Jane Q Public is not, the efficacy of wearing a masks and social distancing is ... NOT ... known.

Murphy is a smart guy, he didn't know and neither did Jane Q Public regardless of circulated data on the matter.

[GemDigger]

24. It was all over DU in January

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212922481
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212907959
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142422036

There are a lot more.

[uponit7771]

28. come on people. DU is not normal and on the side of hyper informed people vs Jane Q Public ...

... which are the totally opposite.

We are the politico whether we like it or not.

NJ Gov Murphy didn't know and he's a pretty smart cookie

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214051687

[GemDigger]

29. It was all over the NEWS

https://www.google.com/search?q=coronavirus+news&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1%2F1%2F2020%2Ccd_max%3A1%2F31%2F2020&tbm=

[Montelimar]

32. They're playing historical revisionism in real time here

right now.

Thank you for injecting some reality to the discussion.

[uponit7771]

34. So Gov Murphy's not accurate (link)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214051687

[uponit7771]

33. The extent of airborne lethality was ... NOT ... all over the new. What do you think about Murphy...

... NOT knowing.

[Montelimar]

35. airborne transmission

is not the same as catching it from the air and immediately dying.

There is no "airborne lethality" with covid.

Not everyone who catches covid dies.

[uponit7771]

38. K, what about Gov Murphy? He didn't know

[Montelimar]

40. Grasping for straws

wow.

[uponit7771]

42. deflection, Murphy didn't know either was he just not paying attention?

[Montelimar]

43. i see what you are doing

why are you defending Donald J. Trump?

You've dragged every other name and issue out in the open except his name?

What's up with that?

[uponit7771]

44. Ok, 3rd deflection ... Even Trump isn't claiming general public knew at that time

[Montelimar]

45. 2nd time request . . .

Why defend Donald Trump?

[uponit7771]

46. answer mines first :)

[GemDigger]

36. If people were not paying attention then it is Woodwards fault? It was everywhere!

[uponit7771]

39. So Gov Murphy wasn't paying attention!? REALLY !?

[Caliman73]

48. Yes, but why do you insist on going after Woodward?

It distracts from the reality of the situation. There were indications that the virus was spread by air, there were also indications that it was spread by surface contact. There was a lot of information out there and not all of it was accurate. People were making their best guesses.

Woodward was interviewing Trump for a book. Trump gleefully shared information with Woodward about his "vast knowledge" about the virus and other things but in doing so, exposed himself as doing nothing proactive with the information that he as president is privy to. We have experts who are there to make sure that the president has the best information possible to make decisions that affect people's lives. THE BUCK STOPS at the president.

spending all of this energy going after Woodward for not going over the head of the president, the CDC, and the rest of the government, and getting us the truth, just takes the pressure off of the president, whose job it is to lead the entire country.

Perhaps Woodward "could have done something" but the reality is that this administration's strength has been to do nothing and blame others when nothing is done. They are already attacking Woodward trying to smear him and take him down. Why help that effort?

Woodward has to deal with what his actions and inaction have meant for the rest of his life, and unlike Trump, Woodward appears to be a person of conscience. Woodward is not responsible for Trump's failure of leadership. That was known 3 years prior to the COVID-19 pandemic. Now, we know further, the extent to which Trump would go to hide his incompetence and cruelty.

[sanatanadharma]

30. Thank you! I too did the site search

Two of your three links I had visited moments ago, but decided not to post because this site is not representative of
John Q, but rather more representative of I.Q.

[uponit7771]

41. Most Americans don't frequent DU and most likely neither does NJ Gov Murphy

[GeorgeGist]

47. Actually a few folks, like Woodward ...

own a share or two.