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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy most black folk are sick and tired of some white folk
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To recap: Kaepernick protested peacefully and white people excommunicated him. This years street protests sometimes got violence and white people condemned that. Tonight NFL players demonstrated peacefully and... white people booed. Im really tired.
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There is no way of protesting racism that white people wont criticize.
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)sheshe2
(83,744 posts)tblue37
(65,328 posts)Karadeniz
(22,506 posts)spanone
(135,823 posts)Disgusting.
tulipsandroses
(5,123 posts)you we will. If it means, you will listen.
Kaepenick -disrespectful
BLM - Too violent
Lebron James - Shut up and dribble
NBA Players - NBA has become too political (Never mind that the church (religious right) has involved itself in politics and policy making ala conservative judges, abortion bans, being against LGBTQ issues) and they are not saying the church is too political.
BLM peaceful protest - you are against the police
So just tell us how you want us to protest that will affect change and I promise you we will show up how you want us to.
Problem is - it does not matter what form of protest.
JI7
(89,247 posts)to the black community .
Demanding to know why they had to bring up race.
Bettie
(16,089 posts)there are a lot of white people for whom there is no acceptable protest for Black people or any not-white people.
I'm not one of them, but I know and am related to plenty of them.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)1. On our own time (never during work hours, either ours or anyone else's)
2. In our own private spaces (never on anyone else's property or even on public property since public property is meant to be occupied and enjoyed by white people without any disturbance they do not cause)
3. Not in any way that inconveniences, delays, interferes with the everyday comings and goings of any white person.
4. Not loudly (meaning not loud enough to be heard by anyone not protesting with us)
5. Definitely not with any words that might make white people uncomfortable (like "black" or "white" or "racism" or "police" or "brutality" or "black lives" or any combination thereof)
6. Not in any way that might make white people feel like they have any responsibility for helping to address the issue being protested
7. Not in any way that white people who aren't interested in the protest might actually see us
As long as we follow those few simple rules, we're free to protest all we like ... inside our houses, very, very quietly
burrowowl
(17,638 posts)live love laugh
(13,100 posts)Chili
(1,725 posts)ProfessorGAC
(64,995 posts)Well stated!
MontanaMama
(23,307 posts)Im sick and tired of some white folks too. Equal rights dont equal less rights...Im so sad tonight. Im just sorry.
demigoddess
(6,640 posts)cowards who just like to push people around.
DeeNice
(575 posts)Why do you think equal rights for all means less rights for you?
I suppose you can lead a horse to water and all and maybe it still won't click that they're worried about losing their privilege. But I would hope that it would tweak their cognitive dissonance at least.
Blue Owl
(50,349 posts)relayerbob
(6,544 posts)Hey, you know something people?
I'm not black
But there's a whole lots a times
I wish I could say I'm not white
eppur_se_muova
(36,259 posts)Perhaps we need to start something like this in the US:
New Breed Leader
(622 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,845 posts)I think that says it all.
rickyhall
(4,889 posts)But I'm Irish and 150 years ago we weren't considered white by anglos either.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,845 posts)When I was a little girl the elderly relatives would look at me and say, "Ah, she has the map of Ireland on her face." Do imagine an Irish brogue as you read that. All of my parental generation aunts and uncles married other Irish Americans, but I grew up in this country, where even if you're only looking at White people, there's a reasonable mix.
The first time I went to Ireland I was flabbergasted that every single person I saw looked exactly like my brothers and sisters and cousins. I finally understood what those elderly relatives were saying.
I am not ashamed, but angry at those white people who behave in racist ways.
An aside. I live in New Mexico, which is very Hispanic and Native American. Ever since I moved here in 2008, I've been rather amazed that I haven't experienced resentment against newcomers like me. Heck, I think I had been born here I'd have been very unhappy at all the Anglos that have moved here in recent years.
But no, it's not at all like that. There is, in fact, a very strong respect for their elders, especially their mothers and grandmothers. I have experienced that very many times. The rare traffic stop I've had, I've only ever gotten a warning. I've learned not to be too chatty to young people ahead of me in line at the grocery store, because they will then insist I go ahead of them. I don't strike up a conversation to move ahead in line, but just because I like chatting with people. The respect and honor shown to elders here is breathtakingly wonderful. It should be like this everywhere.
madeup64
(257 posts)My grandmother had seven children so I come from a pretty good size rural white family. With a significant portion my family it is a complete waste of time to try to explain to them the concept of black lives matters, or systemic racism or racial bias. Unfortunately some ignorance cannot be swayed and in my opinion it's because they will never be able to look at black people as "equals" to white people because that's how they were raised. It's so mind-boggling to me how some white people become immediately incensed and set off by the mere concept of black people protesting racism.
Hmongliberal
(39 posts)The only Black lives that matter are the ones that happen to be their grand children. Im so sick and tired of some of these white folk too.
KT2000
(20,576 posts)so they will always complain and never listen so they can keep thinking they are better than.
Warpy
(111,245 posts)Most of us are sick of them making all of us look bad.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,326 posts)Warpy
(111,245 posts)No, it's not hard, it's annoying and I resent them for it.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,326 posts)Warpy
(111,245 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,326 posts)electric_blue68
(14,882 posts)... people like 55 yes ago.
I've tried to stay away from my fellow white people who are racist. Since I was in HS during "the 60s" in NYC we had a curriculum that included books by black authors.
Post college I've continued to read books, articles by African-Americans, listen on radio, TV always learning more. My black friends and I talk about this stuff and they know I've done a lot of homework on my own.
If I feel uncomfortable reading, listening to things; I almost stick with it bc it's kind of par for the course in learning.
It hurts my spirit to see while progress has been made having the Orange Man of Mayhem dog whistle, and fog horn up all these racists to be the worst they can be gives me shivers.
I keep on, keeping on trying to nudge America forward.
What does give me hope is each Generation of young white people are less, and less racist, and learning to be allies.
Good on them!.
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)malaise
(268,930 posts)There is no way of protesting racism that white people wont criticize
although I would add many in front of white people
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)"protest peacefully" if they wanted white people to support their cause
Not only were the protests overwhelmingly peaceful, we also know that peacefulness is not what determines whether white people support a cause. No matter how peacefully people of color protest against racism, discrimination and police brutality, some white people will object - because it has nothing to do with HOW the protest is conducted but that black people are protesting at all.
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malaise
(268,930 posts)qwlauren35
(6,147 posts)95% of the protests were peaceful.
Somehow, that doesn't make the news.
ananda
(28,858 posts)... who are afraid of losing their exclusive entitled lifestyles
and Id say ok.
However, I would also say a lot of good white people
are right there with you.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,326 posts)ananda
(28,858 posts)I know a lot of people who make good allies.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,326 posts)Buckeyeblue
(5,499 posts)For white people, it's the fault of either being racist, engaging in racist talk, jokes, etc. Or it's being reminded that you probably haven't done enough when you've been around that type of behavior.
When we talk about racism, it forces white people to look inward. It's not comfortable.
But the truth is the truth. And white people need to feel discomfort. We need to look inward. This is the only way to make progress.
judesedit
(4,437 posts)to be born with light skin. The extent of the ignorance and sense of entitlement are mind blowing to me. What logical person could think like that???? Then they go to the beach to try to acquire the beautiful bronze skin tones of the other. Makes no sense at all. The harm their ignorance inflicts with sometimes lifelong consequences for people as they cheer themselves on is truly disgusting and devastating. Makes me ashamed to be white. My personal apologies to all POC who are affected by this dangerous, nonsensical behavior every day of their lives. I'm truly and deeply sorry you have to go through any of this.
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)being treated fairly and equally. That's really f**ked up.
Maybe these unsupportive white people shouldn't be allowed to participate or watch if they're so unsympathetic.
budkin
(6,699 posts)And they wont tolerate that.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)And after scraping together the money for the cheap seats to boo from don't have a whole lot of disposable income left over.
Which makes their "privilege" all the more valuable to them.
mcar
(42,302 posts)Hypocrites.
New Breed Leader
(622 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Sympthsical
(9,072 posts)On the first part. People, especially comfortable people, have grown used to the idea that politics are separated out of their leisure activities. They want to forget politics for a while. They don't want their entertainment to be mixed with their politics. Now, this is a very privileged position, to be able to separate your politics, to compartmentalize your life in such a way. But many people grew accustomed to it.
Now, they cannot escape politics in many areas they used to. Turn on any sports program and there are politics. Try watching ESPN, and it's politics, politics, politics. There is a lot of resentment about that.
After the George Floyd murder, corporations got in on the act. Back in early June, any store that sent out emails to me seemingly had a comment about Floyd and BLM. Now, I never mind these things. I support BLM. But it was getting a bitch much even for me. Do I really need political statements accompanying my coupons and special deals?
Now imagine someone who doesn't support the movement or who really doesn't want politics in their face from all quarters? They grow fatigued. And then they grow resentful. Then they get angry. Again, this is operative privilege. I'm explaining, not excusing.
Prong Two: The Media. 95% of the protests have been peaceful. It's the 5% that make the social media rounds. It's what people see. It becomes the face of the movement. It really doesn't help when radicals make crazy ass statements like looting is a form of reparations. That shit made headlines. A lot of people saw that one. Is it indicative of the movement? No. When BLM activists decided to go into suburbs and make a ruckus to dislodge white suburbanites of their comfort and distance, guess what was all over social media? And suddenly you have the, "They will come into your neighborhood and create chaos and problems," narrative all over the place. A narrative Trump seized upon.
Stupid makes more headlines than intelligent.
Another problem is that social media have made everything much more fragmented. When you go back and read about the Civil Rights era of the 50s and 60s, you had a bunch recognizable leaders, figures invested with authority that people listened to. We don't really have that nowadays. Not just with BLM, but look at how the Occupy movement utterly collapsed. Too many factions, too many people with FB groups and Twitter accounts. Too many disparate interests. Who is a leader in the BLM? You and I could give a few names perhaps, but they definitely don't have the authority, gravitas, or wide exposure that figures of the past once had.
It creates a lot of problems. A movement can be hijacked by the most radical. It can lose focus and become scattershot. Living in the Bay Area, I have experience with groups like Antifa, Black Bloc, By Any Means Necessary, etc. They're all on the Left. They're all seeking justice or to change the system or to lift oppression. Their methods are not the same. Their penchant for violence are different.
I don't have any solutions, to be honest. But we did see an uptick in white support for police reform and BLM in June. But once the media went All Riots All the Time, the support started sinking. Once the radicals started getting all the coverage, impressions and support changed.
I wish I knew the answers on how to turn that around. I really do.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)People believe the protests are violent, not because the media told them so, but because they want to believe it - and that's because they already believe that black people are violent and our cause is not righteous.
It is their racism, not anything. The protesters, agitators or media are doing that skews their reality.
ProfessorGAC
(64,995 posts)Nobody with a functioning brain can argue.