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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
Thu Sep 10, 2020, 11:09 PM Sep 2020

Why most black folk are sick and tired of some white folk






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To recap: Kaepernick protested peacefully and white people excommunicated him. This year’s street protests sometimes got violence and white people condemned that. Tonight NFL players demonstrated peacefully and... white people booed. I’m really tired.

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There is no way of protesting racism that white people won’t criticize.
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Why most black folk are sick and tired of some white folk (Original Post) StarfishSaver Sep 2020 OP
I am sick and tired of some white folk, too. LizBeth Sep 2020 #1
Sadly true. sheshe2 Sep 2020 #2
This! nt tblue37 Sep 2020 #3
We don't like that sort either!❤ Karadeniz Sep 2020 #4
I heard the booing during a moment of silence for unity. spanone Sep 2020 #5
Someone on Roland Martin's show said this once, Tell us how you want us to show up and I promise tulipsandroses Sep 2020 #6
I have seen White People get angry at Black People mentioning how Chadwick Boseman was important JI7 Sep 2020 #7
It is true Bettie Sep 2020 #8
There are acceptable ways to protest: StarfishSaver Sep 2020 #11
You nailed it! burrowowl Sep 2020 #21
💯💯 live love laugh Sep 2020 #24
perfectly said Chili Sep 2020 #44
+1 ProfessorGAC Sep 2020 #53
Godammit. MontanaMama Sep 2020 #9
agree, i'm pretty sick of these white idiots, remind me of schoolyard bullies. demigoddess Sep 2020 #13
A good question to ask them DeeNice Sep 2020 #35
K&R Blue Owl Sep 2020 #10
In the words of Frank Zappa in 1968 relayerbob Sep 2020 #12
It would be nice if we could opt out of race altogether -- become neutral gray or something. eppur_se_muova Sep 2020 #15
LOL Frank Zappa was a trip New Breed Leader Sep 2020 #40
+10000000000000000000000000000000000000 roamer65 Sep 2020 #48
There is no way of protesting racism that white people won't criticize. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2020 #14
Not all of us. Like Frank, some of us are ashamed of most of our race. rickyhall Sep 2020 #17
I am likewise Irish, as in all four of my grandparents came to this country from Ireland. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2020 #19
This is sadly the truth madeup64 Sep 2020 #18
For some of these white folk... Hmongliberal Sep 2020 #16
they are racists KT2000 Sep 2020 #20
News flash: we don't like those morons any more than you do Warpy Sep 2020 #22
That must be really hard. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2020 #30
Sarcasm is ill applied. Warpy Sep 2020 #43
You resent them for making you look bad? WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2020 #45
Hardly. Warpy Sep 2020 #46
What do you resent them for? WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2020 #47
Started getting fed with those kind of white... electric_blue68 Sep 2020 #23
K&R Solly Mack Sep 2020 #25
THIS malaise Sep 2020 #26
This is why so many of us balked at the DUers who told us last summer that BLM needed to StarfishSaver Sep 2020 #32
Yep malaise Sep 2020 #34
Yeah, that sums it up. qwlauren35 Sep 2020 #36
Just make that over-privileged assholes... ananda Sep 2020 #27
Why do you feel like StarfishSaver needs to change their wording? WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2020 #31
Because not all white people are like that. ananda Sep 2020 #49
She said "some white folk." Why do you think that means all? WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2020 #50
I think it comes down to some (maybe a lot) of people not being reminded of their faults Buckeyeblue Sep 2020 #28
You can't talk sense to people who actually think they're better than others because they happened judesedit Sep 2020 #29
So these white people want to be ENTERTAINED by Black people, but don't support them flibbitygiblets Sep 2020 #33
Because it challenges their privilege budkin Sep 2020 #37
I'll bet most of the people doing the booing barely have a pot to piss in StarfishSaver Sep 2020 #38
I'm sick of some white folks too mcar Sep 2020 #39
Note this brilliant response: New Breed Leader Sep 2020 #41
Perfect! StarfishSaver Sep 2020 #42
It's two-pronged: Acclimation to the separation of politics and the media sensationalizing Sympthsical Sep 2020 #51
The media has actually handled this pretty responsibly and have not overplayed the small percentage StarfishSaver Sep 2020 #54
Good Tweets ProfessorGAC Sep 2020 #52
K&R brer cat Sep 2020 #55

tulipsandroses

(5,123 posts)
6. Someone on Roland Martin's show said this once, Tell us how you want us to show up and I promise
Thu Sep 10, 2020, 11:25 PM
Sep 2020

you we will. If it means, you will listen.

Kaepenick -disrespectful
BLM - Too violent
Lebron James - Shut up and dribble
NBA Players - NBA has become too political (Never mind that the church (religious right) has involved itself in politics and policy making ala conservative judges, abortion bans, being against LGBTQ issues) and they are not saying the church is too political.
BLM peaceful protest - you are against the police
So just tell us how you want us to protest that will affect change and I promise you we will show up how you want us to.

Problem is - it does not matter what form of protest.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
7. I have seen White People get angry at Black People mentioning how Chadwick Boseman was important
Thu Sep 10, 2020, 11:29 PM
Sep 2020

to the black community .

Demanding to know why they had to bring up race.

Bettie

(16,089 posts)
8. It is true
Thu Sep 10, 2020, 11:32 PM
Sep 2020

there are a lot of white people for whom there is no acceptable protest for Black people or any not-white people.

I'm not one of them, but I know and am related to plenty of them.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
11. There are acceptable ways to protest:
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 12:03 AM
Sep 2020

1. On our own time (never during work hours, either ours or anyone else's)

2. In our own private spaces (never on anyone else's property or even on public property since public property is meant to be occupied and enjoyed by white people without any disturbance they do not cause)

3. Not in any way that inconveniences, delays, interferes with the everyday comings and goings of any white person.

4. Not loudly (meaning not loud enough to be heard by anyone not protesting with us)

5. Definitely not with any words that might make white people uncomfortable (like "black" or "white" or "racism" or "police" or "brutality" or "black lives" or any combination thereof)

6. Not in any way that might make white people feel like they have any responsibility for helping to address the issue being protested

7. Not in any way that white people who aren't interested in the protest might actually see us

As long as we follow those few simple rules, we're free to protest all we like ... inside our houses, very, very quietly

MontanaMama

(23,307 posts)
9. Godammit.
Thu Sep 10, 2020, 11:33 PM
Sep 2020

I’m sick and tired of some white folks too. Equal rights don’t equal less rights...I’m so sad tonight. I’m just sorry.

demigoddess

(6,640 posts)
13. agree, i'm pretty sick of these white idiots, remind me of schoolyard bullies.
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 12:35 AM
Sep 2020

cowards who just like to push people around.

DeeNice

(575 posts)
35. A good question to ask them
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 10:36 AM
Sep 2020

Why do you think equal rights for all means less rights for you?
I suppose you can lead a horse to water and all and maybe it still won't click that they're worried about losing their privilege. But I would hope that it would tweak their cognitive dissonance at least.

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
12. In the words of Frank Zappa in 1968
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 12:25 AM
Sep 2020

“Hey, you know something people?
I'm not black
But there's a whole lots a times
I wish I could say I'm not white”

eppur_se_muova

(36,259 posts)
15. It would be nice if we could opt out of race altogether -- become neutral gray or something.
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 12:40 AM
Sep 2020


Perhaps we need to start something like this in the US:

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
17. Not all of us. Like Frank, some of us are ashamed of most of our race.
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 12:55 AM
Sep 2020

But I'm Irish and 150 years ago we weren't considered white by anglos either.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,845 posts)
19. I am likewise Irish, as in all four of my grandparents came to this country from Ireland.
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 01:07 AM
Sep 2020

When I was a little girl the elderly relatives would look at me and say, "Ah, she has the map of Ireland on her face." Do imagine an Irish brogue as you read that. All of my parental generation aunts and uncles married other Irish Americans, but I grew up in this country, where even if you're only looking at White people, there's a reasonable mix.

The first time I went to Ireland I was flabbergasted that every single person I saw looked exactly like my brothers and sisters and cousins. I finally understood what those elderly relatives were saying.

I am not ashamed, but angry at those white people who behave in racist ways.

An aside. I live in New Mexico, which is very Hispanic and Native American. Ever since I moved here in 2008, I've been rather amazed that I haven't experienced resentment against newcomers like me. Heck, I think I had been born here I'd have been very unhappy at all the Anglos that have moved here in recent years.

But no, it's not at all like that. There is, in fact, a very strong respect for their elders, especially their mothers and grandmothers. I have experienced that very many times. The rare traffic stop I've had, I've only ever gotten a warning. I've learned not to be too chatty to young people ahead of me in line at the grocery store, because they will then insist I go ahead of them. I don't strike up a conversation to move ahead in line, but just because I like chatting with people. The respect and honor shown to elders here is breathtakingly wonderful. It should be like this everywhere.

madeup64

(257 posts)
18. This is sadly the truth
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 01:01 AM
Sep 2020

My grandmother had seven children so I come from a pretty good size rural white family. With a significant portion my family it is a complete waste of time to try to explain to them the concept of black lives matters, or systemic racism or racial bias. Unfortunately some ignorance cannot be swayed and in my opinion it's because they will never be able to look at black people as "equals" to white people because that's how they were raised. It's so mind-boggling to me how some white people become immediately incensed and set off by the mere concept of black people protesting racism.

 

Hmongliberal

(39 posts)
16. For some of these white folk...
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 12:52 AM
Sep 2020

The only Black lives that matter are the ones that happen to be their grand children. I’m so sick and tired of some of these white folk too.

KT2000

(20,576 posts)
20. they are racists
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 01:27 AM
Sep 2020

so they will always complain and never listen so they can keep thinking they are better than.

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
22. News flash: we don't like those morons any more than you do
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 01:45 AM
Sep 2020

Most of us are sick of them making all of us look bad.

electric_blue68

(14,882 posts)
23. Started getting fed with those kind of white...
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 01:51 AM
Sep 2020

... people like 55 yes ago.

I've tried to stay away from my fellow white people who are racist. Since I was in HS during "the 60s" in NYC we had a curriculum that included books by black authors.
Post college I've continued to read books, articles by African-Americans, listen on radio, TV always learning more. My black friends and I talk about this stuff and they know I've done a lot of homework on my own.

If I feel uncomfortable reading, listening to things; I almost stick with it bc it's kind of par for the course in learning.

It hurts my spirit to see while progress has been made having the Orange Man of Mayhem dog whistle, and fog horn up all these racists to be the worst they can be gives me shivers.

I keep on, keeping on trying to nudge America forward.
What does give me hope is each Generation of young white people are less, and less racist, and learning to be allies.

Good on them!.

malaise

(268,930 posts)
26. THIS
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 07:08 AM
Sep 2020

There is no way of protesting racism that white people won’t criticize

although I would add many in front of white people

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
32. This is why so many of us balked at the DUers who told us last summer that BLM needed to
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 10:08 AM
Sep 2020

"protest peacefully" if they wanted white people to support their cause

Not only were the protests overwhelmingly peaceful, we also know that peacefulness is not what determines whether white people support a cause. No matter how peacefully people of color protest against racism, discrimination and police brutality, some white people will object - because it has nothing to do with HOW the protest is conducted but that black people are protesting at all.


ananda

(28,858 posts)
27. Just make that over-privileged assholes...
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 07:13 AM
Sep 2020

... who are afraid of losing their exclusive entitled lifestyles
and I’d say ok.

However, I would also say a lot of good white people
are right there with you.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
28. I think it comes down to some (maybe a lot) of people not being reminded of their faults
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 07:15 AM
Sep 2020

For white people, it's the fault of either being racist, engaging in racist talk, jokes, etc. Or it's being reminded that you probably haven't done enough when you've been around that type of behavior.

When we talk about racism, it forces white people to look inward. It's not comfortable.

But the truth is the truth. And white people need to feel discomfort. We need to look inward. This is the only way to make progress.

judesedit

(4,437 posts)
29. You can't talk sense to people who actually think they're better than others because they happened
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 09:21 AM
Sep 2020

to be born with light skin. The extent of the ignorance and sense of entitlement are mind blowing to me. What logical person could think like that???? Then they go to the beach to try to acquire the beautiful bronze skin tones of the other. Makes no sense at all. The harm their ignorance inflicts with sometimes lifelong consequences for people as they cheer themselves on is truly disgusting and devastating. Makes me ashamed to be white. My personal apologies to all POC who are affected by this dangerous, nonsensical behavior every day of their lives. I'm truly and deeply sorry you have to go through any of this.


flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
33. So these white people want to be ENTERTAINED by Black people, but don't support them
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 10:29 AM
Sep 2020

being treated fairly and equally. That's really f**ked up.

Maybe these unsupportive white people shouldn't be allowed to participate or watch if they're so unsympathetic.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
38. I'll bet most of the people doing the booing barely have a pot to piss in
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 10:53 AM
Sep 2020

And after scraping together the money for the cheap seats to boo from don't have a whole lot of disposable income left over.

Which makes their "privilege" all the more valuable to them.

Sympthsical

(9,072 posts)
51. It's two-pronged: Acclimation to the separation of politics and the media sensationalizing
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 04:57 PM
Sep 2020

On the first part. People, especially comfortable people, have grown used to the idea that politics are separated out of their leisure activities. They want to forget politics for a while. They don't want their entertainment to be mixed with their politics. Now, this is a very privileged position, to be able to separate your politics, to compartmentalize your life in such a way. But many people grew accustomed to it.

Now, they cannot escape politics in many areas they used to. Turn on any sports program and there are politics. Try watching ESPN, and it's politics, politics, politics. There is a lot of resentment about that.

After the George Floyd murder, corporations got in on the act. Back in early June, any store that sent out emails to me seemingly had a comment about Floyd and BLM. Now, I never mind these things. I support BLM. But it was getting a bitch much even for me. Do I really need political statements accompanying my coupons and special deals?

Now imagine someone who doesn't support the movement or who really doesn't want politics in their face from all quarters? They grow fatigued. And then they grow resentful. Then they get angry. Again, this is operative privilege. I'm explaining, not excusing.

Prong Two: The Media. 95% of the protests have been peaceful. It's the 5% that make the social media rounds. It's what people see. It becomes the face of the movement. It really doesn't help when radicals make crazy ass statements like looting is a form of reparations. That shit made headlines. A lot of people saw that one. Is it indicative of the movement? No. When BLM activists decided to go into suburbs and make a ruckus to dislodge white suburbanites of their comfort and distance, guess what was all over social media? And suddenly you have the, "They will come into your neighborhood and create chaos and problems," narrative all over the place. A narrative Trump seized upon.

Stupid makes more headlines than intelligent.

Another problem is that social media have made everything much more fragmented. When you go back and read about the Civil Rights era of the 50s and 60s, you had a bunch recognizable leaders, figures invested with authority that people listened to. We don't really have that nowadays. Not just with BLM, but look at how the Occupy movement utterly collapsed. Too many factions, too many people with FB groups and Twitter accounts. Too many disparate interests. Who is a leader in the BLM? You and I could give a few names perhaps, but they definitely don't have the authority, gravitas, or wide exposure that figures of the past once had.

It creates a lot of problems. A movement can be hijacked by the most radical. It can lose focus and become scattershot. Living in the Bay Area, I have experience with groups like Antifa, Black Bloc, By Any Means Necessary, etc. They're all on the Left. They're all seeking justice or to change the system or to lift oppression. Their methods are not the same. Their penchant for violence are different.

I don't have any solutions, to be honest. But we did see an uptick in white support for police reform and BLM in June. But once the media went All Riots All the Time, the support started sinking. Once the radicals started getting all the coverage, impressions and support changed.

I wish I knew the answers on how to turn that around. I really do.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
54. The media has actually handled this pretty responsibly and have not overplayed the small percentage
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 05:11 PM
Sep 2020

People believe the protests are violent, not because the media told them so, but because they want to believe it - and that's because they already believe that black people are violent and our cause is not righteous.

It is their racism, not anything. The protesters, agitators or media are doing that skews their reality.

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