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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGov. Newsom signs law allowing inmate firefighters in California to have records expunged...
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CaliforniaPeggy
(149,595 posts)I've read in the papers that many of these inmate firefighters have expressed the wish that they could become professional firefighters once their terms are over.
This will help them become the productive workers that they need to be and that we can support.
Nevilledog
(51,085 posts)SWBTATTReg
(22,114 posts)sheshe2
(83,747 posts)alwaysinasnit
(5,066 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)on the line. They take on the heavy manual labor tasks to free up the skilled firefighters to work elsewhere. They hike in, carrying all their gear and they are often right out front on the fire line with nothing but shovels as they take down the burning underbrush one foot at a time.
They risk their own lives so this is a Good thing.
Mr.Bill
(24,282 posts)they do fire mitigation work. Clearing brush, creating fire breaks, etc.
Sympthsical
(9,073 posts)Where they have a productive life ahead of them once their time is served?
Uh, Newsom does know he's in America, right?
But seriously, this is pretty awesome.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,851 posts)I don't know if any other state use inmate firefighters, but the same should happen everywhere they are used.
lettucebe
(2,336 posts)They absolutely deserve this, and obviously are not dangerous criminals so this is an awesome thing to do. I don't live in California but that is what governing is about (IMHO).
Demovictory9
(32,449 posts)cally
(21,593 posts)Gives hardworking men and women a chance for a better life after serving their time plus we desperately need more fire crews. California is in crisis!!
onetexan
(13,037 posts)I can now officially forgive you for having been married to that loony Kimberly Ann Guilfoyle at one low point in your life
jeffreyi
(1,939 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,328 posts)BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)They are not forced to do it nor treated badly. There is a wait list of people begging to be on those crews. I know, I was one.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,328 posts)"forcing" or "begging." They aren't compensated for dangerous labor. Prison is designed to be boring and numbing; of course people will be desperate to do something different. None of this doesn't mean it isn't slave labor.
BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)If you want to lay in bed all day you can. Working was the only thing that made me feel like a person with dignity.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,328 posts)Choosing to work in such a situation is hardly a choice at that point.
BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)I think this is where the left goes too far... Stuff like this and getting rid of mental hospitals completely. No one says they did not need reformed but gone completely is why we have so many drug addicted (self medicating) homeless.
Mr.Bill
(24,282 posts)How much did that figure into your decision to do this?
And thanks for what you did. We have a camp in our county and I have seen these people in action may times and was very impressed. They are sometimes the first on the scene. I have toured the camp and even had lunch with the convicts. The food was very good and the living conditions were far better than any jail. There was not even a fence around the facility.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,328 posts)It was still slave labor. Not sure what you mean by "stuff like this and getting rid of mental hospitals," but prison is a tool the state uses to suppress wages and outsource labor, among other things.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,282 posts)For instance, if they have been convicted of a sex crime, they are not eligible.
dhill926
(16,337 posts)ChazII
(6,204 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,328 posts)automatically have their records expunged. They still have to go through a lengthy petition process (assuming you have the resources) and a judge has to approve it, leaving the decision up to a person. In addition, there's still a list of people who are automatically ineligible for this law, because of the crimes they were convicted of.