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Gov. Newsom signs law allowing inmate firefighters in California to have records expunged... (Original Post) Nevilledog Sep 2020 OP
I am glad to hear this. CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2020 #1
It's the right thing to do. Nevilledog Sep 2020 #3
You took the words right out of my mouth, it truly is the right thing to do... SWBTATTReg Sep 2020 #4
+1 crickets Sep 2020 #10
K&R sheshe2 Sep 2020 #2
K&R Thanks for posting. alwaysinasnit Sep 2020 #5
The inmate firefighters are the hardest working crews procon Sep 2020 #6
And in the fire off-season Mr.Bill Sep 2020 #20
Actual prisoner rehabilitation? Sympthsical Sep 2020 #7
It's about time. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2020 #8
Firefighters in the family and I think this is the best thing I've heard in a long long time lettucebe Sep 2020 #9
excellent Demovictory9 Sep 2020 #11
Great news cally Sep 2020 #12
Second that. Great decision Gov. Newsom! onetexan Sep 2020 #13
That is good. jeffreyi Sep 2020 #14
Slave labor, but make it friendly. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2020 #15
It's not slave labor BlueLucy Sep 2020 #16
Thank you! greenjar_01 Sep 2020 #18
No more Boy Band references? LanternWaste Sep 2020 #21
When people are incarcerated, there are different power/consent understandings when it comes to WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2020 #24
You don't have to do anything if you don't want to. BlueLucy Sep 2020 #27
Feeling like a person with dignity is what prisons are designed to take away from you. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2020 #28
I had a great time. BlueLucy Sep 2020 #29
I understand that the firefighters get time taken off their sentence. Mr.Bill Sep 2020 #30
I'm sure you did. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2020 #32
Hope they don't turn around and restrict who can be an inmate firefighter greenjar_01 Sep 2020 #17
There have always been restrictions. Mr.Bill Sep 2020 #19
good job, gov... dhill926 Sep 2020 #22
Thank you, Gov. Newsome. n/t ChazII Sep 2020 #23
Also, this doesn't mean that people who are incarcerated who are on firefighting crews WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2020 #25
⭐️⭐️⭐️K&R ⭐️⭐️⭐️ spanone Sep 2020 #26
finally. let them fight. stupid rules. pansypoo53219 Sep 2020 #31
❤️ ✿❧🌿❧✿ ❤️ Lucinda Sep 2020 #33

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,595 posts)
1. I am glad to hear this.
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 04:15 PM
Sep 2020

I've read in the papers that many of these inmate firefighters have expressed the wish that they could become professional firefighters once their terms are over.

This will help them become the productive workers that they need to be and that we can support.

procon

(15,805 posts)
6. The inmate firefighters are the hardest working crews
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 05:09 PM
Sep 2020

on the line. They take on the heavy manual labor tasks to free up the skilled firefighters to work elsewhere. They hike in, carrying all their gear and they are often right out front on the fire line with nothing but shovels as they take down the burning underbrush one foot at a time.

They risk their own lives so this is a Good thing.

Mr.Bill

(24,282 posts)
20. And in the fire off-season
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 06:42 PM
Sep 2020

they do fire mitigation work. Clearing brush, creating fire breaks, etc.

Sympthsical

(9,073 posts)
7. Actual prisoner rehabilitation?
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 05:11 PM
Sep 2020

Where they have a productive life ahead of them once their time is served?

Uh, Newsom does know he's in America, right?

But seriously, this is pretty awesome.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,851 posts)
8. It's about time.
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 05:30 PM
Sep 2020

I don't know if any other state use inmate firefighters, but the same should happen everywhere they are used.

lettucebe

(2,336 posts)
9. Firefighters in the family and I think this is the best thing I've heard in a long long time
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 05:31 PM
Sep 2020

They absolutely deserve this, and obviously are not dangerous criminals so this is an awesome thing to do. I don't live in California but that is what governing is about (IMHO).

cally

(21,593 posts)
12. Great news
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 05:59 PM
Sep 2020

Gives hardworking men and women a chance for a better life after serving their time plus we desperately need more fire crews. California is in crisis!!

onetexan

(13,037 posts)
13. Second that. Great decision Gov. Newsom!
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 06:02 PM
Sep 2020

I can now officially forgive you for having been married to that loony Kimberly Ann Guilfoyle at one low point in your life

BlueLucy

(1,609 posts)
16. It's not slave labor
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 06:29 PM
Sep 2020

They are not forced to do it nor treated badly. There is a wait list of people begging to be on those crews. I know, I was one.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,328 posts)
24. When people are incarcerated, there are different power/consent understandings when it comes to
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 08:08 PM
Sep 2020

"forcing" or "begging." They aren't compensated for dangerous labor. Prison is designed to be boring and numbing; of course people will be desperate to do something different. None of this doesn't mean it isn't slave labor.

BlueLucy

(1,609 posts)
27. You don't have to do anything if you don't want to.
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 08:34 PM
Sep 2020

If you want to lay in bed all day you can. Working was the only thing that made me feel like a person with dignity.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,328 posts)
28. Feeling like a person with dignity is what prisons are designed to take away from you.
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 08:37 PM
Sep 2020

Choosing to work in such a situation is hardly a choice at that point.

BlueLucy

(1,609 posts)
29. I had a great time.
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 08:40 PM
Sep 2020

I think this is where the left goes too far... Stuff like this and getting rid of mental hospitals completely. No one says they did not need reformed but gone completely is why we have so many drug addicted (self medicating) homeless.

Mr.Bill

(24,282 posts)
30. I understand that the firefighters get time taken off their sentence.
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 09:19 PM
Sep 2020

How much did that figure into your decision to do this?

And thanks for what you did. We have a camp in our county and I have seen these people in action may times and was very impressed. They are sometimes the first on the scene. I have toured the camp and even had lunch with the convicts. The food was very good and the living conditions were far better than any jail. There was not even a fence around the facility.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,328 posts)
32. I'm sure you did.
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 10:16 PM
Sep 2020

It was still slave labor. Not sure what you mean by "stuff like this and getting rid of mental hospitals," but prison is a tool the state uses to suppress wages and outsource labor, among other things.

Mr.Bill

(24,282 posts)
19. There have always been restrictions.
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 06:39 PM
Sep 2020

For instance, if they have been convicted of a sex crime, they are not eligible.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,328 posts)
25. Also, this doesn't mean that people who are incarcerated who are on firefighting crews
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 08:12 PM
Sep 2020

automatically have their records expunged. They still have to go through a lengthy petition process (assuming you have the resources) and a judge has to approve it, leaving the decision up to a person. In addition, there's still a list of people who are automatically ineligible for this law, because of the crimes they were convicted of.

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