I cannot believe that people are even entertaining a discussion on

[malaise]

what happens when the Con loses. He will either walk out of the WH or be dragged out. And his fucking goon supporters will either be shot or locked up. It's either that or the entire rule of law and democracy project has been an abject and complete farce.

What do DUers think the response would have been if Obama had suggested that he run for a third term?
We'd still be singing Strange Fruit.

[H2O Man]

1. Recommended.

He will be yanked out, crying.

[malaise]

2. I hope we're both watching live

[H2O Man]

7. I think that

Joe Biden is going to spank Trump on Election Day. We know that Trump likes being spanked, and will travel to distant hotel rooms for such an opportunity.

[malaise]

11. ROFL

[Blue_playwright]

37. DUzy!!!!

[DownriverDem]

61. Might resign

so pence can pardon him.

[Chili Pepper]

70. Well that's depressing

I've thought of various scenarios of what might happen, and that wasn't one of them. Ugh!

[calimary]

71. I suppose it could happen. But there's a "however" here.

Anybody remember how well it worked out for Gerald Ford?

He replaced the convicted fraudster and Nixon VP Spiro Agnew, who resigned in disgrace. Then when Nixon resigned, Ford became president. And a month or so later, he pardons Nixon

Then he tried to run for a legitimate term of his own. Remember, he was appointed VP. Was never on the Nixon ticket.

He ran in 1976 and was beaten by Georgia Governor Jimmy Carter. And that was IT. Out to the golf course and umpteen different bigtime boards of directors. Too many voters said "he pardoned Nixon" that November. That's what sank him.

I wonder if Pence is aware of this? He can show genuine and legitimate love of country and Constitution and do the right thing, AND live to mount a future campaign or two. Or he can pardon trump and become a second Gerry Ford.

Goat 2.

[Guilded Lilly]

3. Reality Show TV mentality at the most braindead ignorant. n/t

[CaptYossarian]

29. Tell Trump it's the climactic ending to Season Four.

Joe gets the country's "rose".

[safeinOhio]

4. One thing we know for sure...

if it comes to violence, he will not lead the charge, because he is a coward.

Good message to run by all of those wanna be militia types.

[Grokenstein]

91. I know they're willing to kill for him.

But are they willing to die for him?

[bigtree]

5. hard agree

...k&r

[Cirque du So-What]

6. You're ruining all the fun

Some people need some low-level anxiety running in the background at all times - and if they can draw others into their drama, so much the better.

[RainCaster]

8. Im looking forward to the White House covered by a fumigation tent

While the NSA clears out the bugs Traitor Trump left with the help of Vladimir.

[empedocles]

18. Fantastic meme

[malaise]

35. THIS

[MontanaMama]

9. The MF will lose

And he will rally a team of lawyers and litigate like hell to try and overturn the decision of the people. The MSM will say that it is his right to do it and Chuckie Todd will say “Can you blame him?” and his panel of idiots will nod in agreement and shrug their weak ass shoulders in response. It will be a terrible few weeks but Joe Biden will be our next president if and only if we GOTFV. Next January, the MF and his band of grifters will be escorted out of the WH.

[malaise]

36. +1,000

You nailed it down to Fuckie Todd

[mcar]

49. You said it

[Alacritous Crier]

111. Yep.

[Polybius]

10. There are two types of discussions on this, one insane and one potential reality

The insane one is what happens if Trump invalidates the election by himself, and uses the military to squash opponents.

The potential reality is this one:Trump leads Electorally on Election Day, but then a week later, as the main-in ballots are slowly being counted Biden wins. He argues that mail-ins (unless you are away from your state) won't count. It goes to court. The US Supreme Court sides with him.

[FakeNoose]

38. Your first scenario won't happen because the US military hates him

They can't wait to see Chump gone, and they'll never participate in a coup to keep him in the White House.

As for the 2nd scenario, this could happen but I don't believe Chump will get enough votes for this to play out. I think he knows he's behind and he'll lose by a lot. (However it's going to be a day or two before they'll call it.) The SCOTUS will never get to rule one way or the other.

[BComplex]

63. I think he's going to lose North Carolina, because his idiot voters are going to try to vote twice.

#1 Their trump votes will be disqualified ... both of them.
#2 Each two-time voter will be charged with a felony, and the state will make a shitload of money with all the fines and court costs.
#3 There will be a shitload of broke republicans (who can't pay their fines and court costs for their felonies) in prison.

WIN-WIN-WIN

YAY!!!

[FakeNoose]

65. They might try it, but they won't get to do it

Anybody who mails in their ballot, and then tries to vote in person on election day will be prevented from doing so. It's one of the safeguards of our system.

I don't believe they'd be arrested. They would simply be told that they've already voted so they can't vote a 2nd time. I'm sure this will happen everywhere, not just in North Carolina.

[BComplex]

68. Only if the poll workers check their computers to see if that person has voted.

I don't think they're going to be doing that at the polling stations. In fact, I'm sure nobody in our county is going to be doing that.

[FakeNoose]

72. OK

I'm in Allegheny County - city of Pittsburgh, PA. I've voted in every election and until now I haven't used a mail-in ballot. But the workers at my polling place have checked my signature and ID every time. If I weren't properly registered, or if they thought I were presenting a false ID (or whatever), they would have stopped me from voting.

The use of mail-in ballots is a new wrinkle this time, but I believe the safeguards are still in place.

[BComplex]

78. Well, and after I posted that, I thought that the Secy of State might be having everyone

check since trump has made such a mess of things. So, yes, they probably will be checking this time.

[Demsrule86]

73. Ohio runs the envelopes of the ballots ...so they know if a ballot has been returned and that

information is on the list provided for polls workers...it is also a felony and I doubt even dumb ass trumpers inm large numbers want to go to jail.

[DENVERPOPS]

56. Poly,

I agree with your "Potential Reality". (Think 2000.......and the Supreme Court can use THAT as a precedent (sp?) to justify them doing it all over again.)

I don't think the nation wants to witness what is coming our way on Nov 3rd and Nov 4th and from that point forward.....

If by some miracle Biden gets elected, can you imagine what the RepubliCONs, The RepubliCONs in the Senate, The entire Trump RepubliCON administration and all his Trump Humpers can do to our government in the lame duck period of almost three months?????

Katie Bar the Door.....

I dread worse than anything, (including the Virus), what is almost certainly is going to come crashing down on the United States, our citizens, and our constitution beginning Nov 3rd...........

The worst part? We.Can't.Do.A.Damn.Thing.About. it.................

Prepare for a Corporate Fascist Tyranny to be installed by this so called "Republican Party"...........

(and yes, I hope I am wrong, but the last three years has shown us that they can and will do anything they want)

[RussellCattle]

116. The 2000 SCOTUS decision used really convoluted reasoning to hold that....

....it should not be used in the future as a precedent, one of the fine points of a truly bad and tortured decision. This of course won’t prevent them from handing the prize to the Republicans again. Hell, they may just claim the precedent anyway.

[unblock]

12. The nightmare scenario isn't when he obviously loses

I agree, if the results come in as we hope and Donnie clearly loses, then it's a simple matter. Donnie and his supporters can whine like the little crybabies they are, but he'll be out the door January 20.

The problem is if it's close enough and there is enough toon for doubt and they are able to make vaguely plausible arguments about voting irregularities of some sort like missing absentee ballots or whatever.

Think of it like the 2000 legal mess but on steroids.

Imagine the "brooks brothers riot" ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Brothers_riot ) but this time they're armed with ak-47s....

[erronis]

79. What is "close enough"? The 30%s will argue that that's enough

to say the election isn't fair.

They are just looking for an argument to cause problems.

It could be 1% dissatisfied. And with hatred/violence in their psyche. And that's what trumpf is hoping for.

[unblock]

87. A lot depends on the media, sadly

If they portray it as Donnie lost, matter of factly, then we're golden.

If they play it as mass confusion and controversy, we could be screwed

[Hassin Bin Sober]

103. Yeah it could get messy if trump is close enough to appear to be "winning" on election....

.... night before the mail/absentee ballots are counted. Also known as “the red mirage” or “blue shift”

[Hekate]

13. KnR

[world wide wally]

14. Trump will declare victory on the night of the election.

Then, as the vote by mail votes come in and show Biden winning, Trump will spend the next 3 months litigating to create more chaos. Finally, it will end up in the hands of his stacked courts. Let's hope they have some patriotic blood in them.

[wryter2000]

57. Many states have early votes counted by election night

There will still be some coming in, but it could very well be that the vote by mail ballots will have been pretty much counted by November 3.

[world wide wally]

59. I hope you are right

But the odds are that he will try something like that just to get it into court

[moonscape]

62. Most all of us will vote as early as possible, but the

majority of folks I'm thinking are procrastinators and will vote close to the election.

[wryter2000]

64. Could be true

It seems a teeny bit possible, though, that most of the early votes (in person and by mail) will be counted and Biden will be ahead at the end of the evening. Then, Trump could find himself relying on the mail-in votes still coming in. Of course, that would contradict everything he's said about vote by mail, but that wouldn't stop him.

[moonscape]

67. Surely hope you're right that election night, even

if not called, that Biden is significantly ahead and that Russia wasn't able to change enough votes (my real angst).

[whopis01]

101. I expect their to be lawsuits trying to block the mail in votes

The strategy will be to try to delay the inclusion of those votes until past the December 14th deadline.


I don’t think the worry is the time When the votes arrive and the time required to count them. Rather it is how much disruption and blocking can be performed between the election and the electoral college convening.

Wisely, Biden’s team is preparing for this scenario and already building a legal team to fight such attempts.

[ellie]

15. He will be dragged out

[Arkansas Granny]

16. He's not even talking about running for a third term. He's going to negotiate it. With whom?

Does he plan to take it to the Supreme Court or will he just declare himself Supreme Dictator and just do away with elections altogether? Delusions of grandeur don't even begin to describe this line of thinking.

[malaise]

19. He's an effin' lunatic, a con and a criminal

He should be worried about being locked up for criminal negligence leading to the death of over 200,000 people by tomorrow
Deaths:198,605; Cases:6,715,050

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[lagomorph777]

17. Exactly. He will leave, whether in Marine 1, straitjacket, handcuffs, or a body bag.

I am OK with any of the above options.

[malaise]

20. +1,000

[Bayard]

21. Let's sing it one more time--It's not up to him to leave

Even if Biden wins by a thin margin, he's moving into the White House. trump can litigate all he wants, but Biden will not be the one dragged out the door by Secret Service.

[malaise]

23. THIS

It's not up to him to leave

[frazzled]

22. It's not so much that he won't physically leave

The concern is that he will spend the weeks and months after Election Day delegitimatizing the election results and implying the whole thing was a fraud and a fake—stolen— and that Biden is not the "real" president. You may scoff at that scenario, but you shouldn't. It's a dark cloud to face for the incoming administration, which has enough problems to contend with cleaning up the mess this one has left behind.

Remember, even if 39% of the population votes for Trump, they will believe him. And we could have a sort of inverse Belarus on our hands, with daily protests and a never-ending news cycle continuing to report on it. (They had a fake election which the real people are protesting; we will have a real election which the fake people will be protesting.) I also wouldn't put it past Trump to take it to the courts (it's what he does) and the whole mishegas will drag on forever. If you thought 2000 and the chads were unbearable, you ain't seen nothing yet.

[malaise]

24. IF all these institutions can't expose the real fake

then they are FAKE

[frazzled]

27. They can expose it till the cows come home

The courts, the press, the FEC ... but it won't stop Trump and his minions from the trouble making and the attempts to delegitimatize. They've done it before, time and again. (Think of all the times the press has unveiled his lies, and it doesn't stop him from repeating them; think of the facts of impeachment, and the Republicans ignored them completely.) It could last for years, after he's left the White House.

The point is to create chaos, and I think you're dismissing how harmful chaos is to our ability to move forward and govern. Chaos and counterfactuals are the Russian strategy, and Trump loves it. The people will be voting for a "return to normalcy" in order to "build back better." That can't be done in the face of constant chaos and lies being circulated. Nothing short of cutting out his larynx and his tweeting fingers will stop him.

[Demsrule86]

75. On January 21st...Trump will no longer be president so...all the other shit is just noise.

Even if we didn't have an election, he will still be out.

[smirkymonkey]

83. +1000

[steve2470]

25. I think you nailed it

Even if he loses by a landslide, he will scream fraud and rile up his idiots. There will probably be some protests in the street, some violence, and of course this will all be covered breathlessly by the media. They will interview the braindead and ask them for their highly intelligent well-informed opinions

I would not put it past Trump, even in a landslide scenario, to file suit in as many states as he can afford (since he's running lower on cash lately), saying X percentage of absentee ballots are bad and a recount is necessary. He won't care that the state laws won't mandate a recount. 100% of his litigation will be frivolous, and the judges will throw his ass out, saying so.

November 4th to January 20th is going to suck, no matter what.

[malaise]

28. I think he'll take the campaign loot and try to run as far away as possible or it's prison

until death but don't rule out Covid-19 catching up with him.
That would be the perfect end to this horrific reality TV madness

[FakeNoose]

40. Yes - it's been the money all along

He's got hidden $$ offshore, I'm sure of it.

I've no idea what country would take him though.
Some place with no extradition - let's ask Rudy!

[malaise]

43. LOL

I recommend a Federal prison

[demtenjeep]

89. oh please oh please

if anyone deserves to get covid it is that mother fucker


I HATE him so fucking much

[malaise]

90. Join the hate line

[Locrian]

58. he will do everything to rile his base

if he loses, he will do everything to rile his base as a last effort to make a deal to avoid prison
meaning a pardon / no prosecution plus whatever and then he'll call off the brown shirts etc
But make no mistake - he's doubling down with his base in order to build the fanatic army he thinks he may need. Tin pot despot / dictators 101.

I *hope* but I'm not sure if there will be enough momentum to avoid it and throw his and anyone else's ass in jail

[Totally Tunsie]

88. That's what I'm anticipating also.

Chump will file suit in each and every state, challenging results and tying the election up in the courts for as long as he can.

He will not go quietly. Even if (when?) he loses, we'll be hearing his name and living with him as a nightmare for quite a while.

[whopis01]

102. I see three potential scenarios if he loses the election

1) Spend the remainder of his term like any normal president, helping prepare for the transition to the next administration.

2) (as you said) rile up his supporters in an attempt to delegitimize the election and remain in power.


3) Resign while declaring some sort of victory / mission accomplished / etc.


Out of those, there is no possible way that #1 is going to happen.

If it is at all close, I think #2 is very likely. If he thinks he has a chance to remain in power he will try to do so.

If it is not close then #3 is more likely. It is the political equivalent of declaring bankruptcy on a failed venture and walking away to avoid responsibility. Something he is very familiar with.


Of course he could use the rest of his term to undermine Biden and other Democrats in an attempt to help the Republicans. But I don’t believe he cares about the Republican Party at all, other than using it for his benefit. Once that benefit is gone, he will have no interest. I just can’t see him sitting there for a couple months having been branded a loser.

[Trueblue Texan]

104. Fourth possibility...

Both 2 and 3 are the likely result of a Biden win. No matter if Biden wins by a landslide, he will rile up his base to show what support he has. His ego demands that. But to save his ass, he will end up resigning and disappearing. Maybe he will do it in the dark of night and be gone before we even find out.

[whopis01]

105. I agree - I certainly can not see him staying around after losing.

His ego will not allow it. His only out will be to somehow declare a victory and get the hell out.

[hunter]

26. I think Trump is going to walk away in a huff the day he loses.

The Executive Branch will be chaos, worse and worse up until inauguration day, Pence hiding in a closet, rats abandoning ship everywhere, those that remain shredding evidence just as fast as they can.

[Stuart G]

30. Trump will clearly lose. He will accept the results and do what is best for the nation.

In a quiet and respectful way.

Here is why? Stuart's opinion:

If he does something stupid or foolish, that will cost him a whole lot in post
presidential speaking fees and appearances on Fox News & elsewhere..My guess is that he wants a
post presidential life that includes TV & speaking at here & there.


If Trump does something really stupid, those appearances and speaking fees will be totally lost. I don't
think that Trump wants that. Instead he wants to continue to be on the ..world's stage..

[Cuthbert Allgood]

31. Who is going to drag him out?

The military leaders have already said that they won't be involved in it. Do you think the DOJ will? Secret Service? What enforcement branch that Trump doesn't control will drag him out.

Now, I don't think that it is going to be a problem, but let's not pretend that there is some gov. body that will "drag him out."

[FakeNoose]

41. All they have to do is cut off his electric, water and cable tv

Block his phone so he can't tweet or make calls.

He'll leave on his own, or else in handcuffs. Either way he'll be gone.

[mcar]

50. Secret Service

[whopis01]

108. That is not exactly what the military leaders said.

(I am assuming you are referring to the statement by Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Join Chiefs of Staff)

Gen. Milley said:
“In the event of a dispute over some aspect of the elections, by law U.S. courts and the U.S. Congress are required to resolve any disputes, not the U.S. military. I foresee no role for the U.S armed forces in this process.”

While it was widely publicized as the military saying that they wouldn't remove Trump if he refused to leave office, that is not at all what was actually said.

He specifically said that the military would not get involved in resolving an election dispute, since that is the role of the courts and Congress. He also stated that he "will not follow an unlawful order" should Trump attempt to use military action for political gain.

What I take from this is that he said (1) it is up to Congress and the courts to decide the outcome of the election and (2) the military will follow legal orders from the President. Thus if Biden is legally President on January 21st, then the military will follow his legal orders.

I don't think this scenario will occur either. But if it does, he will be removed.

[murielm99]

32. This third term shit is gaslighting.

We should be used to his gaslighting by now.

[llashram]

33. this

and "Strange Fruit" indeed. In fact, the whole First Family would have been in that category of fruit. NO DOUBT.

[Martin Eden]

34. Democrats need a strategy for countering the efforts of Trump and Barr to dispute election results

This isn't so much a question of dragging Trump from the White House after he has clearly lost.

It's a matter of being prepared to stop Trump and his criminal organization from delegitimizing the election. Do not doubt for one minute they will pull out every dirty trick in the book, with the full support of the rightwing media and internet propaganda network.

Winning the narrative in the battle of public perception is very important, and how well we prepare for this battle might affect the extent to which Republicans in Congress stick their necks out for this dictator wannabe in a Constitutional crisis.

Trying to keep him in office in defiance of election results will likely be a losing effort, but there is more at stake. A prolonged and bitter fight will exacerbate even further the bitter polarization of the American people at a time when healing is essential, and potentially damage the efforts of the Biden administration to enact much needed change.

There is next to zero chance of changing the minds of die-hard MAGAts, but governing -- like elections -- are usually won by influencing the middle.

We are almost certainly headed for a real shit storm with a prolonged count of mail-in ballots and the aftermath of the winner being declared. If our Democratic leaders fail to have rigorous discussions to develop a strategy and narrative for what happens after the Con loses, it would be sheer negligence on their part.

[Tiger8]

109. Exactly. And who can predict what will happen?

I've worked with psychopaths before, and they're always at least a step ahead of you. The is why every successful dictator outsmarted his opponents.

I've read over the last 4 years about the end of Trump.....voters, Never Trumpers, electors, Comey, FBI, 25A, Rosenstein, Mueller, whistle-blowers, tax returns, Russia, more whistle-blowers, indictments, tell all books, impeachment, SDNY +++....so I'll believe the end of Trump is here when I see it.

A psychopath's mind works differently. You cannot predict what they will do.

History is full of dictators who outsmarted the best experts. Predicting what they will do just gives you a false sense of security. Do all you can to get rid of him, but also prepare for the worst.

[Martin Eden]

113. To defeat your enemy you must understand him, anticipate his moves, and take the initiative

Though it may be disturbing to delve into the mind of a psychopath and understand how he thinks, it is a necessary part of the strategy to defeat him.

[Tiger8]

115. Yes, because if Trump were presented with a plan that killed...

If Trump were presented with a plan that killed 100 million Democrats and 50 million Republicans......is anybody naive enough to think he'd say no?

No conscience means....NO conscience. Trump doesn't have one.

Trump already asked Russia for help. Is it possible he'd do that again? And what could Putin and Trump do with their combined knowledge, especially surrounded with the likes of Jared Kushner, Stephen Miller holding top secret security clearances? They've groomed supporters for years about "The Deep State"....that was no accident. When Trump tells his followers to take up arms with our "Beautiful Russian Liberators" to fight The Deep State, many police, military, militia and even federal agents will side with him.

[BlueJac]

39. K&R

[PatrickforO]

42. Strange fruit. What a grim song. It's true, though.

Magnolias sweet and fresh, then the sudden smell of burning flesh...blood on the leaf and blood on the root.

Obama would never have done that, though. I hope he ends up on the Supreme Court. He's such an outstanding, balanced human being.

[malaise]

45. If you think the Con's non-stop gas lighting re crimes by Obama

isn't about his ultimate fantasy, dream on. How dare that black man be president and for two terms to boot. I'll show him.

[PatrickforO]

76. OK, that's an eye opener. My problem, Malaise, is that I just cannot imagine

even having such a fantasy.

But if you're saying that Trump's ultimate fantasy, and certainly that of the white nationalists, would be to lynch Obama, that's just...monstrous. I'm so sorry black people have even had to go through this. And indigenous people. And Hispanic people. Any minorities, really.

I'm still tripping on the Wind River reservation for the Arapaho tribe in WY - you know they allow the oil companies to pump out sludge into the water because of a loophole in the law, right?

I mean, it's fucking disgusting.

[ashredux]

44. Our Military will hold firm....

[mcar]

46. Lots of concern here and abouts on that non-issue

As I keep saying, on Jan. 20, 2021 at noon, Joe Biden is POTUS. The White House will no longer be IMPOTUS' residence. If he doesn't leave, he'll be removed. Period.

His dumbass militias and cultists can wail and gnash their teeth, then go back to QAnon and Reddit.

[edhopper]

47. I have not seen the normal instruments of Government

behaving in their constitutional directed manner since the Orange Ogre took office.
The DOJ is in control of people loyal to Trump, not the country. So who will "drag him out of the White House"?

[Pepsidog]

48. Right on brother.

[dmkinsey]

51. You're thinking that the result will be black/white

You assume that there will be a Trump loss or a Trump win.
A likely scenario is that Trump will simply ruin the election to the point that he will claim we just don't know who won and then he'll use the levers of legitimate power to remain.

[rurallib]

52. My thought is that he and his henchmen, especially Barr, will spend 2.5 months

screwing things up so badly it may take month to figure out what is what.
I expect documents to be shredded and burned, money transferred, whole sections of the government to quit functioning such as medicare and Social Security as people are out and out fired.

Will they call ambassadors home and leave embassies wide open?

In short I expect them to make the transition nearly impossible.

[wryter2000]

53. Agreed

However, I do worry about what he'll do between November 3 and January 20.

[Javaman]

54. personally, I don't think it's an issue of him leaving or getting dragged out...

I think more about what will he do between the time he loses and the time he's supposed to leave.

what shit will he stir up to further destroy this nation and then go on to claim he's still president.

my truly horrific take is this:

he stirs up all kinds of shit, he leaves office one way or another, then continues to claim he's still president by coordinating his moron supporters against anything Joe does. And I mean they will do every illegal thing they can think of to try an blunt anything that Joes does. armed attacks aren't ruled out.

They live in chaos and will willfully continue that chaos.

[IronLionZion]

55. He'll wreak havoc and undermine Biden as much as possible

by doing as much damage as a lame duck can do and encourage his supporters to believe that Biden isn't legitimate somehow because deep state or Qanon or whatever.

[jcmaine72]

60. I'm more worried about what his worshippers will do.

They are filled with so much hatred and have so many guns that the potential for violence seems almost inevitable. Add to that a corporate media that seems determined to keep the fires of discontent stoked for their own ratings and profits and you have the potential for disaster here.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

66. IMO, just another Russian-sourced "talking point" to stir up shit.

The concept is to keep everyone's head spinning with bullshit so we don't even know what day it is.

As if we don't have enough crap to worry about - Trump's destruction, COVID-19, a failing economy, a severely divided society and FOUR cyclones in the Gulf and Atlantic at once.


I'm too damned old for all this shit......

[SpankMe]

69. What should happen is...nothing

If Agent Orange won't leave the Whitehouse, then Biden simply serves his role from another location until Nasty Nectarine boy leaves on his own, or cohorts persuade him to leave. You can be POTUS and not live in the Whitehouse. The authority is established when the electors cast their ballots in Congress. After that point, all departments will transition to reporting to Biden on 20-Jan regardless of whether he's in physically located in the WH or in a secured interim facility elsewhere.

As malodorous a troll as Trump is, we don't need the global spectacle of having the big creep physically removed from the People's Premises.

[OldFriend]

74. Trump Will Be On the First Plane To Russia After He Loses

We don't have to worry about Trump leaving the White House.

Trump will resign.

Pence will pardon him.

Trump will be on the first plane out of town, after the pardon, to avoid state prosecution and 20 years in prison.

[Kablooie]

77. He will be given a full pardon for all federal crimes committed during his presidency.

At the last minute, probably a few days before the swearing in, if he hasn't been proclaimed president again, he will quit and president Pence, in his few days as president, will give him a full pardon.

Trump won't suffer any legal consequences at all for federal crimes, of that I'm sure, and Pence will be proclaimed a hero by the Republicans.

[BainsBane]

80. Trump supporters are not going to be shot or locked up

We don't live in that kind of country.

My dream is that Trump leaves in an orange jumpsuit.

[Mr.Bill]

81. My worst case scenario is

they do things on election night to keep the ballots from even being counted. Suppose his DHS storm troopers (whose loyalty has already been proven) burst into buildings where the ballots go to to be counted after the polls close and Trump has declared all mail-in ballots to be fraudulent, so they confiscate them at gunpoint. They would only need to do this in a dozen or so select locations to throw an entire state's ballot counts into turmoil.

This wouldn't necessarily be a path to him legitimately winning, but it would be a path to chaos which we should all know by now is the only game he knows. Because any other strategy would require more than the intellect of a developmentally arrested three year old child.

[warmfeet]

82. I am more than happy to assist in locking them all up.

Shooting them? Okay with that also.

[NoRoadUntravelled]

84. The fact that he would even suggest the possibility of a third term shows how far

from accepted norms we've fallen in less than 4 years. I offer this as evidence: Some people will be thrilled with his idea, others will be appalled, but no one is surprised. We now expect that kind of lunacy from him.

[malaise]

85. The fact that M$Greedia has not simply condemned him and the fact that not one

ReTHUG leader has condemned him are way more troubling - we know he is effin' crazy.

[NoRoadUntravelled]

86. Truth.

Sad truth.

[Aussie105]

92. If Trump loses the election.

If all the anti Biden propaganda has no effect.

If the electoral college actually does the right thing and starts believing in what their intended job is.

If Trump refuses to pack his bags and leave the WH.

Well then . . . it will be a defining moment for American democracy and it's system of voting.

If he is dragged out crying, it will be a win for Democracy.

If he gets to stay, he will be known as 'that squatter dictator in the White House'.

We live in interesting times . . . and the rest of the world is watching. A lot of dictators in other parts of the world, especially.

[littlemissmartypants]

93. Two Fun Facts

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1) In North Carolina it is not only illegal to vote twice it's a felony to encourage some one to do it. So fatnixon's risking a felony by encouraging double voting and

2) In North Carolina the voter's history is maintained in a statewide data base accessible by the click of a mouse on Election day, your vote history is so current it can tell if you went to one place, may or may not have attempted to vote and then went to another polling place and tried to vote there. How do I know this? I'm a trained election judge and although I am only qualified as an assistant judge, we are responsible for checking the voting status and voting history of each prospective voter. This includes non citizens and felons who both, believe it or not, will get in line to vote.

Happy Voting!

❤ lmsp

[malaise]

96. Lock him up!

[Larissa]

94. Like Cinderella

When the clock strikes the end of the Clownstick's term, his carriage will revert back to a pumpkin. If the bloated Bill Barr can manage to bend over, he can pick up Trump's shoe lift on the way out.

[malaise]

97. Will Bill Barr revert to a rat from a horse?

[Vivienne235729]

95. The generals have already come out saying they will absolutely remove him.

but I think it is a scary thought that we have come to this point to even have to talk about it. It's surreal.

[mnmoderatedem]

98. I still have the image of trump goons with AR-15s intimidating lawmkers

He's got his rabid neanderthal base supporters who he his convincing dems are rigging the election, and dammit they're just not going to take it. President I-don't-wanna-cause-a-panic will do nothing to tamp that down. Rodger Stone is saying trump should declare martial law if he loses. Michael Caputo is telling people to load up on ammunition.

It's the groundswell of idiots who worry me more than dumb ass himself.

[raccoon]

99. K&r nt

[Sherman A1]

100. I believe that the major concern

Is the time between those two events and what damage can be done.

[malaise]

107. Can't the courts undo most of that? n/t

[Sherman A1]

112. Depends upon what if anything he does

The courts in some cases might be able to do so. The new administration in some cases will be able to do so as well. If he starts a conflict or something Internationally, that would be a bigger challenge.

I don’t expect Donald Trump to simply go quietly into the night without a great deal of problems. Anyone believing this election, election results and transition will be peaceful and smooth is simply whistling past the graveyard.

[BeckyDem]

106. K&R

[bucolic_frolic]

110. Dictatorships

and dynasties everywhere support Trump. This is as close as they've come since the Civil War to toppling American democracy and getting more power on this continent. They won't go down without a fight.

I don't expect more than localized skirmishes, but you never know what havoc can be produced with legal wrangling. I'm thinking this will be like Al Franken's Senate race where he took office late while it all played out. I'm not expecting Biden to take office before February 4. Don't ask me why i would say such a thing, but somehow that date is set in my mind. Hope I'm crazy.

[AngryOldDem]

114. The response is easy

Trump is informed a day or so ahead that he needs to be gone by noon, Jan. 20. The morning of, if his fat ass is still parked there, he’s given another “reminder.”

If he still ignores it, escalate, up to and including forcible removal.

Of course, we have no idea how to handle this — because we’ve never had to deal with such a deranged asshole in the WH before now. A seamless transition of power between two sane adults has always been a given. There should be a plan in place.