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bluescribbler

(2,113 posts)
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:12 AM Sep 2020

Is he really that stupid?

Or is he just pretending? I am no longer certain. Clearly, from the tapes Bob Woodward has, he understood early on just how serious this COVID-19 is. He seemed to be smart enough then, and yet he chose not to take action that would have protected tens of thousands of Americans from this catastrophe. I really cannot decide.

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Is he really that stupid? (Original Post) bluescribbler Sep 2020 OP
He's that depraved C_U_L8R Sep 2020 #1
+1 chowder66 Sep 2020 #2
Exactly. Freedomofspeech Sep 2020 #3
+1 2naSalit Sep 2020 #4
He can be both depraved and stupid. ananda Sep 2020 #7
He is all of that. And I understand Kushner determined that the virus... brush Sep 2020 #14
..👍🏼 uponit7771 Sep 2020 #25
He can't even comprehend what he's reading aloud. Walleye Sep 2020 #5
He's not stupid, but he is brain addled. LuckyCharms Sep 2020 #6
His ignorance is compounding his issues. ooky Sep 2020 #16
+1, uponit7771 Sep 2020 #26
He is stupid for choosing the economy over... lame54 Sep 2020 #22
Evil and soulless to the core. Without humanity. onecaliberal Sep 2020 #8
He's that evil. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2020 #9
+1, text book short sighted uponit7771 Sep 2020 #28
I usually frame everything Republican like this..... KY_EnviroGuy Sep 2020 #10
In addition to being an evil sociopath, I do believe he's pretty stupid. MoonRiver Sep 2020 #11
You really have to feel empathy for trumps family. dubyadiprecession Sep 2020 #12
And proud of it Blue Owl Sep 2020 #13
He choked gratuitous Sep 2020 #15
In the tapes he sounds like he does understand. betsuni Sep 2020 #17
While he's definitely not the brightest bulb in the pack, CrispyQ Sep 2020 #18
that sums it up Demovictory9 Sep 2020 #27
He sounded sharper 20 years ago. BlueStater Sep 2020 #19
After hearing the Woodward tapes, I think the mistake I consistently make tanyev Sep 2020 #20
He knew the truth and decided to lie about it....pre-meditated murder. spanone Sep 2020 #21
To paraphrase Philip Pullman: 'We have reached a point in history where the really stupid is ... GoneOffShore Sep 2020 #23
whether stupid or just pretending, there is a clear lesson for humanity here 0rganism Sep 2020 #24

ananda

(28,834 posts)
7. He can be both depraved and stupid.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:19 AM
Sep 2020

His decision making always veers toward the
lowest common denominators in his murder-
suicide cult.

brush

(53,740 posts)
14. He is all of that. And I understand Kushner determined that the virus...
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:58 AM
Sep 2020

was hitting blue states (NY, WA, CA), so he advised trump to do nothing early on.

Both are evil bastards, inept bastards as what sentient being with any knowledge would think a contagious virus would stay within just blue states in a country where people travel state to state at will.

Of course it was going to spread all over the nation.

Walleye

(30,977 posts)
5. He can't even comprehend what he's reading aloud.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:19 AM
Sep 2020

He is depraved but he’s also very dumb. He’s had people helping him fake it all his life and cheat

LuckyCharms

(17,413 posts)
6. He's not stupid, but he is brain addled.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:19 AM
Sep 2020

He has a mental illness or personality disorder that makes him behave the way he does.

In street terms, he is a fucked up mess, but many many people with mental illness are not stupid, and some are brilliant. However, their intelligence might not be apparent because of their disorder.

So in terms of raw intelligence, he's not exactly stupid, but he is no rocket scientist. He has a goal, and his handler(s) tell him how to achieve his goal. He is good at following orders.

ooky

(8,906 posts)
16. His ignorance is compounding his issues.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 11:03 AM
Sep 2020

He's not been able to hide it as well as he used to, but it's clear he has almost an elementary level understanding of the world around him, because he has always been too lazy to read. Now, with deteriorating mental illness, he is opening his mouth when he shouldn't and displaying that ignorance for all to see.

lame54

(35,262 posts)
22. He is stupid for choosing the economy over...
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 12:25 PM
Sep 2020

The pandemic as if they are separate

They are intertwined

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,584 posts)
9. He's that evil.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:26 AM
Sep 2020

He knew how bad it was but he didn't want to spook the stock market. He's also that stupid because he thinks the stock market is the entire economy and he was counting on a strong economy to get him re-elected.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
10. I usually frame everything Republican like this.....
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:32 AM
Sep 2020

Republicans always give business interests top priority over everything: over life, national security, justice, rule of law, liberty, democracy, etc.

Seen through that lens, most things they do then usually make sense. Add in hunger for personal wealth and power, that wraps up their shit sandwich.

In this instance, tRump only wanted to protect the economy without concern for human life or misery.


KY.....

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
11. In addition to being an evil sociopath, I do believe he's pretty stupid.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:32 AM
Sep 2020

I administered IQ tests for 25 years, and I estimate his IQ to be in the low to mid 90s. Not intellectually impaired, but way too low cognitively to be up to the job he, unfortunately, is in. Actually it's a blessing he's kind of dim, otherwise imagine the damage he could do!

dubyadiprecession

(5,678 posts)
12. You really have to feel empathy for trumps family.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:33 AM
Sep 2020

It’s sad that their patriarch parades his mental illness on the world stage, and they pretend he’s fine.
Is he fine? Really?

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
15. He choked
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:59 AM
Sep 2020

He didn't know how to proceed, and rather than ask for help and risk looking weak and impotent, he just turned his back on the country. Trump choked.

betsuni

(25,376 posts)
17. In the tapes he sounds like he does understand.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 11:03 AM
Sep 2020

But when we see him, when he's in public, he's high on whatever drugs he does and performing his insane Trump Show riffing. He's like an animal trained to do tricks for treats. When he doesn't get treats he bites.

CrispyQ

(36,421 posts)
18. While he's definitely not the brightest bulb in the pack,
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 11:08 AM
Sep 2020

his real problem is that he's a reactionary, not a strategist. He says and does whatever is politically expedient at the moment, who cares if it contradicts something he said or did five minutes ago? If it weren't for his family's wealth and influence, he would be the same MAGA hat wearing loser that attends his rallies.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
19. He sounded sharper 20 years ago.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 11:11 AM
Sep 2020

His vocabulary was better then as opposed to the simplistic speaking style he uses now. Mind deterioration because of advancing age, possibly?

But even at his peak, I don’t think he was all that bright. He was born rich and got richer through shameless self-promotion and appealing to the lowest common denominator, which absolutely anyone can do regardless of intellect.

tanyev

(42,515 posts)
20. After hearing the Woodward tapes, I think the mistake I consistently make
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 12:04 PM
Sep 2020

with Trump is putting too many ticks in the blithering idiot column and not enough ticks in the raging sociopath column. There are still plenty of ticks in both columns, but I’ve apparently been giving him too much benefit of the doubt.

GoneOffShore

(17,336 posts)
23. To paraphrase Philip Pullman: 'We have reached a point in history where the really stupid is ...
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 12:29 PM
Sep 2020

‘We have reached a point in history where the really stupid is indistinguishable from the really wicked’.

0rganism

(23,924 posts)
24. whether stupid or just pretending, there is a clear lesson for humanity here
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 12:32 PM
Sep 2020

Trump admitted publicly to both action and inaction leading to the deaths of many thousands of Americans. his core supporters, around 2/5 of our population, still consider themselves "patriotic".

this is a phenomenon worthy of study.

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