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Wed Sep 16, 2020, 11:34 PM

Bob Woodward is naive.

He seems surprised to learn the truth about drumpf.

Ref. Kendzior

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Reply Bob Woodward is naive. (Original post)
cilla4progress Sep 2020 OP
DonaldsRump Sep 2020 #1
brush Sep 2020 #8
Dream Girl Sep 2020 #2
quickesst Sep 2020 #3
agingdem Sep 2020 #7
quickesst Sep 2020 #10
agingdem Sep 2020 #13
quickesst Sep 2020 #18
cilla4progress Sep 2020 #21
agingdem Sep 2020 #25
cilla4progress Sep 2020 #26
msongs Sep 2020 #4
The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2020 #5
sheshe2 Sep 2020 #15
GoCubsGo Sep 2020 #20
COLGATE4 Sep 2020 #6
agingdem Sep 2020 #9
Lock him up. Sep 2020 #11
notinkansas Sep 2020 #12
chillfactor Sep 2020 #14
redstatebluegirl Sep 2020 #16
bigtree Sep 2020 #17
jcgoldie Sep 2020 #19
cilla4progress Sep 2020 #23
cilla4progress Sep 2020 #22
andym Sep 2020 #28
FakeNoose Sep 2020 #24
cilla4progress Sep 2020 #27
SoonerPride Sep 2020 #29
cilla4progress Sep 2020 #30

Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 11:38 PM

1. For one the key figure who broke Watergate wide open

"Naive" is not a word I would associate with Bob Woodward.

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Response to DonaldsRump (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 12:08 AM

8. Exactly. He's seen everything. Nothing surprises him...

disgusts him, make him want to puke maybe, anything but being naive.

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 11:41 PM

2. I don't think so. Remember, this is the guy who took down Nixon....I think he's political and cagey

 

. He’s been a creature of Washington for a very, very long time. He’s much better informed about Trum than any of us. He’s seen it all. No way is this guy naive..

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 11:48 PM

3. and the Roadrunner is....

....slow. beep beep!

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Response to quickesst (Reply #3)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 12:01 AM

7. not naive rather incredulous shock...

here was the president of the United States confessing to murder...no remorse only self praise for a job well done...even legendary Bob Woodward would have a hell of a hard time wrapping his head around the horror of this...

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Response to agingdem (Reply #7)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 12:19 AM

10. of course....

....I disagree with that assessment. Those interviews, and the purpose behind them would have went quickly off the rails if he had displayed the type of behavior you are suggesting he should have. What he has exposed now so close to the election probably would not have happened if he had.

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Response to quickesst (Reply #10)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 12:34 AM

13. I don't agree

Woodward is a professional...he knows how to keep himself in check...he knew Trump was playing him..trying to control the narrative ..Trump wanted a favorable Woodward book (an endorsement) weeks before the election.....Trump was "buying" Woodward with the truth...I will say this...what pissed me off is Woodward's "need" to understand the Trump voter as well as his "need" to instruct Trump as to why this virus was so much worse than a dip in the stock market...if that's naiveté then I agree with you...

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Response to agingdem (Reply #13)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 07:52 AM

18. I guess....

.....we will just have to agree to disagree. I want to keep the focus on Donald Trump, so I will not be a participant in shifting that focus away from him and back to undermining Woodward as was tried earlier by shifting the blame for excess deaths on him. The only thing that accomplished was handing Trump his talking points on a silver platter.

Donald Trump quote:
“Bob Woodward had my quotes for many months. If he thought they were so bad or dangerous, why didn’t he immediately report them in an effort to save lives?" Trump tweeted. "Didn’t he have an obligation to do so? No, because he knew they were good and proper answers. Calm, no panic!”

Fortunately, most people and most of the MSM did not buy it, but it did add fuel to his cult's fire. 🤔

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Response to agingdem (Reply #7)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 11:06 AM

21. Not I!

Not Sarah Kendzior!

I do not get the incredulity.

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #21)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 11:39 AM

25. Woodward didn't have to "work"

to get trump to spill...he just confessed...Woodward is like the rest of us...our lives as we knew it ..gone...and we're sad, and pissed as hell...and here is Trump admitting to the horror he created...dismissing the 200,000 dead...self-praising for a job well done...granted, nothing about that orange cretin surprises me but to come face to face with a monster is still jaw-dropping

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Response to agingdem (Reply #25)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 03:54 PM

26. I get it.

I know Woodward is an American hero.

I just can't help but feel - and this will piss off some - white men are in such an exclusive club, they don't see what outsiders to their club see. Not as soon, not as much, not as clearly.

For me, I'll stick with Sarah Kendzior's instincts and observations.

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 11:57 PM

4. seems to overestimate trumps ability to plan instead of stumble into something good or

bad. all that stuff about europe in 2016 and passing of an era relating to our current situation as passing of an era and trump taking advantage of it. not likely IMO

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 11:59 PM

5. No, he's not. I think he's shocked, which isn't the same as surprised.

Woodward has been in the middle of Washington politics for almost 50 years so he's clearly not naive, and he'd already written another book, Fear, about Trump in 2018. I think being able to interview Trump directly this time gave him some additional insights that he found shocking, and unlike what he'd done in previous books about presidents, he saw such a danger after talking to Trump directly that he no longer could maintain his usual objectivity.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #5)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 12:43 AM

15. Shocked is exactly what I was going to post.

I agree with you 100%.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #5)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 08:06 AM

20. Yes, this pretty much sums it up.

When you can shock a guy who has seen as much as Woodward has, you know things are really, really bad.

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 11:59 PM

6. I agree. Watching him go on and on tonight about the necessity

for us to "understand the Trump voter" in all that voter's glorious ignorance, I damn near threw a rock through the TV set. He's a champion of "both sides do it" now.

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #6)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 12:18 AM

9. I don't give a damn about the Trump voter...

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and what is there to understand?...they're driven by hate for "the other".. and Trump took their hate out of the shadows and into the White House...he normalized and legitimized it and they love him for it...why whisper the N-word when you can use a bullhorn and get away with it...

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #6)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 12:19 AM

11. Nobody told him it's easy to "understand the Trump voter" yet???

I mean, watch FOX NEWS mouthpiece$ every day for a month, listen to ru$h limbo every day for a year! sinclaiR, oann, read replies from the tRump bot$ on his in$ane feed... and there you have it: The perfidy, layziness of the tRump voter, or how Goebbels and Hitler destroyed their own country...

tRump plans to murder millions for nothing with his "heard" mentality!

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #6)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 12:31 AM

12. It seemed to me that he was overly reserved in his criticism.

It made me wonder if he is getting death threats from the trump cult.

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 12:40 AM

14. what a disingenuous post

I could listen to Woodward for hours and wished Lawrence had a longer show this evening....obviously you have no idea what Woodword was addressing. And how dare you question a man who has emmersed in government and politics for some 50 some years.

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #14)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 06:41 AM

16. I totally agree!

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 07:10 AM

17. no he isn't

...he's feigning ignorance. It's his act.

So happy to see him on teevee smarming about Trump, but he makes me ill.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #17)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 07:59 AM

19. This

"I talk real slow and I don't understand anything, explain it to me" is how he gets a fool like Trump to completely spill the beans on himself and believe the entire time that he's completely conning one of the most famous journalists in American history.

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #19)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 11:10 AM

23. That's a very useful tactic.

I just can't believe how surprised he was to find that drumpfs a sociopathic sadist this late in the game. Been obvious for decades.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #17)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 11:08 AM

22. This...

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Response to bigtree (Reply #17)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 03:58 PM

28. It's Woodward's verson of Detective Columbo

Excuse me sir...

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 11:12 AM

24. I think Woodward puts on his public face when he's on TV

... because he knows the Chump butt-sniffers are all watching. He's only got a small window of opportunity to convince them, and he can't come off as a partisan Chump-hater. That's why he sounds the way he does right now. I'm sure Bob Woodward is far more cynical and sarcastic than any of us, in his private moments with trusted friends.

We should understand this because we've seen him on TV and read his books for so many years.



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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #24)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 03:57 PM

27. Yes,

something of an enigma.to me. I had trouble sticking with him on Lawrence last night.

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #27)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 04:04 PM

29. When he started in on "most trump supporters are fine people" I changed the channel

I'm sorry, not sorry, but to support trump is to support

lying
bullying
xenophobia
sexism
sexual predation
graft
corruption
treason
kids in cages
forced hysterectomies
Islamophobia

I could go on.

and on.

So, no, Mr. Woodward, no one who supports trump is a fine person.

Maybe they act nice in polite company.

But their actions speak louder than their nice comportment when around others.

They are not fine or decent people.

They just aren't.





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Response to SoonerPride (Reply #29)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 04:51 PM

30. Hear, hear!

Hell, I'd even be willing to go so far as to say they are more the problem than drumpf himself!

He is an empty putrid vessel of their hatred and white supremacy.

He is using them, and them him. drumpf could not and should not have gotten to where he is without their complicity and support.

we are still going to have them to deal with, if we get rid of drumpf.

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