What if Roe does go away

[Proud liberal 80]

First off, I really don’t think most Republicans really care about abortion, it just gives them the feeling of the “moral high ground” and something to rally behind a “righteous” cause as opposed to all the evil shit they really are for....but with Roe overturned, their rallying cry will be over....if it is overturned, what does that really do? Doesn’t it just hand it back over to the states?

[radius777]

1. This will hurt them with moderate women

further moving the suburbs in our direction.

[sfstaxprep]

2. Hands It To The States

So it will depend upon where you live.

There will be so many tragedies.

Not that that matters to them.

[A HERETIC I AM]

7. Exactly. RGB said it herself at a conversation at the "Aspen Institute':

That women of means will ALWAYS be able to get a safe, legal abortion. The laws put in place to restrict access primarily affect poor women and women of color.

This was published to YouTube back in 2017, but I’m not exactly sure when it was recorded.

We lost an incredibly great legal mind.

I’m saddened to hear of her passing.

[RockRaven]

3. Yeah, it turns the choice/pro-choice argument into 50 different ones

That will be very bad for women in red states.

[Proud liberal 80]

6. Ok

So on that....so let’s say it’s becomes illegal in Mississippi, but it’s legal let’s say Illinois....so shouldn’t all the pro choice forces out there create some program and assistance where they would help a woman from Mississippi get to Illinois for the procedure...I mean, maybe I am being a simpleton but with today’s technology, information, and sources it would be easy to establish programs like this

[SlogginThroughIt]

8. Except didn't a state

didn’t a state pass a law or try to pass a law that the woman would be found breaking the law upon her return?

[A HERETIC I AM]

16. Think of what you are proposing just a little deeper, if I may be so bold.

You’re talking about a poor woman in Mississippi, lets not split hairs.

A poor woman who is likely living paycheck to paycheck and can ill afford to miss even a single day of work.

Transporting her 750 miles from the middle of the state, let’s say, to Chicago is a 20 hour round trip in a car, minimum.

Then she is likely going to need at least one, if not two nights in a motel, and that’s $40/night for a dump, these days.

She needs to eat.

If she has children, they need to be looked after while she is gone, etc. etc. etc.

The fact is, conservatives have made it prohibitively expensive for a poor woman Living in those states to get an abortion, but there is no restriction at all for a well to do woman living in Jackson, MS., for instance, to fly to Boston and have the procedure.

[Blue_true]

9. I believe that it will turn purple states like Florida and North Carolina permanently blue.

This moment could prove to be the defining moment for the Republican Party, if may get a short-term win at the expense of it’s continued long-term relevance.

[radius777]

24. Agree. Moderates and indendents support Roe

and the fallout from abolishing or neutering Roe would cause a seismic backlash in this country that could flip states like Texas into our column even sooner that we thought.

The GOP has long played this game with their far-right fundie base, knowing that moderate Repub women want to keep abortion legal.

[Blue_true]

25. Yes. Business or career oriented Republican women have played footsie with the

Fundamentalists. Winning elections gave those moderate republican women the power they want and the fundamentalists got scraps thrown to them. 2016 completely turned that on it’s head, the fundamentalists finally took full control of the Republican Party, the moderate republican women reacted to that by voting for democrats or staying home in 2018.

I am convinced that the fundamentalists are going to over reach, they technically have a goal they have wanted within reach. The over-reach by fundamentalists will drive moderate republican women and independent women to the Democratic Party as they search for a counter-weight that can defeat the fundamentalists.

[radius777]

26. You see it well. Cultural liberalism is much stronger than it ever was.

Most voters support choice. Movements like MeToo and BLM are very fashionable with suburban whites. Trump's 'law and order' message is not working in the way that 'Willie Horton' type of attacks worked for Reagan/Bush in the 80s.

The fundies and social conservatives are going to be an anvil around the neck of the GOP going forward, as older conservative voters die off especially.

Even a RW loudmouth like Tomi Lahren is pro-choice. She's a millennial, that's why, and knows the power that the women's rights movement gave her, even while largely spitting in its face.

[BainsBane]

4. the pro life Republicans do

and we will lose Roe if Trump gets this replacement.

[Eliot Rosewater]

5. Goes to the states unless they somehow make it illegal federally....dont know how they do that

not a lawyer.

But I wont let it go that far, neither will you...this is our country and these are our people and we will fight to any ANY length necessary.

[NNadir]

10. I'm not a lawyer either, but these extremists could declare fetuses protected by the 14th amendment.

[regnaD kciN]

11. Not necessarily...

A Christofascist-packed Court could invoke “natural law” to declare that human life begins at the moment of conception – which would mean that every state and federal homicide statute already on the books would automatically make all abortions murder. And the only way to reverse it would be a Constitutional amendment.

[Mariana]

23. Birth control pills work by preventing ovulation.

Please stop spreading right-wing lies.

https://www.womenshealth.gov/a-z-topics/birth-control-methods

Short-acting hormonal methods, such as the pill, mini-pill, patch, shot, and vaginal ring, prevent your ovaries from releasing eggs or prevent sperm from getting to the egg.

[Ms. Toad]

17. Nope.

Murder statutes are creatures of state law, including the definition of "person," i.e. the life taken.

[rampartc]

12. without roe we have no right to "privacy."

this is important to the federalist society, corporate america, and the national security state.

abortion , not so much. mostly used to motivate the fundies and for fund raising.

[Ms. Toad]

18. The constitutional concept of privacy predates Roe. n/t

[rampartc]

27. please examine bork's confirmation hearing

i would consider privacy to be an unenumerated right under amdt 10, the federalist society do not.

https://www.123helpme.com/essay/The-Right-To-Privacy-By-Robert-Bork-92317

[Ms. Toad]

28. You just proved my point.

Griswold predates Roe, so overturning Roe does not eliminate privacy - since privacy was recognized before Roe was decided.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

13. Republicans will lose the women's voting bloc.

Even moderate women politically believe control over their bodies belong to them, not the states.

This is a reckoning we will be experiencing right now.

[Thekaspervote]

14. If roe v Wade goes away, there will be back alley abortions for the poor with suffering and death

And the repuke senators the Epstein kind and those that can pay will have a safe legal abortion.

[moondust]

19. Agree

that some use it to loudly proclaim their "righteousness," when it's really just a cover for all their other bad behavior.

I've cynically wondered if years ago the Vatican may have feared that safe abortion becoming commonly available could eventually hurt the future power and fortunes of the Catholic Church so they strenuously objected to it. Some power-hungry Republicans may have experienced similar fears, but for them it's probably more about exploiting a wedge issue.

[Proud liberal 80]

20. Yep

That’s why it became an issue right after the civil rights era....they had to find a righteous issue to hide their racist agenda

[walkingman]

21. The people of America will decide what kind of world we want to live in.

[roamer65]

22. States like IL, CA, NY, WA will become abortion centers.

Will be like before Roe v Wade where women took road trips.

[nolabear]

29. It will become a class system with an Underground Railroad.

Not to disrespect the Underground Railroad of slavery by any means. But rich girls will go to visit relatives out of state and poor girls will either be helped by an underground system or fall prey to monsters who are as likely to kill them as help them. We will be set back fifty plus years.

This is madness.

[J_William_Ryan]

30. Republicans/conservatives need to be careful what they wish for

Some things to consider:

One or two red states which have sought to ban abortion may not follow through with enacting such laws.

Some red states may not enforce their abortion bans; the specter of women and their doctors being subject to criminal prosecution for something legal in most of the country simply won’t fly – the epitome of bad political optics.

Women will continue to get abortions in ban states, they just won’t be called ‘abortions.’

As already correctly noted: women will simply travel to free states to have abortions.

Republicans will never have the votes for a Federal abortion ban; a Constitutional amendment banning abortion is also a non-starter.

Ban states will experience considerable political backlash – with Republicans losing control of some state governments.

Ultimately, the social right’s crusade to ‘ban’ abortion will fail; in time abortion bans will be repealed through the political process – it may take 30 or 40 years, but it will eventually come to pass.

[0rganism]

31. Roe v. Wade has been used as precedent in deciding other cases for decades

the judicial impact will be significant