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EarlG

(21,935 posts)
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 10:52 PM Sep 2020

Mitch McConnell has taught us all a valuable lesson:

If you win, you get to make the rules.

They’ve already destroyed all the norms, so now I guess we have to start fresh.

End the filibuster and add two Supreme Court Justices. Sen. Markey is already talking about this.

First we have to win. Let’s concentrate on doing that.
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Mitch McConnell has taught us all a valuable lesson: (Original Post) EarlG Sep 2020 OP
Hell yeah.. in case we didn't know. We WON in Cha Sep 2020 #1
I agree rockfordfile Sep 2020 #2
I just heard that Ginsburg was BootinUp Sep 2020 #3
We blew the last general election BainsBane Sep 2020 #6
If you have the power and don't use it you have to BootinUp Sep 2020 #12
Voters didn't deny Obama a Supreme Court nomination Bobstandard Sep 2020 #17
The time for playing nice is OVER Ferrets are Cool Sep 2020 #58
It's not court stacking or packing. It's making it more representative. Nevilledog Sep 2020 #49
that was the way it was described i dont have an exact quote BootinUp Sep 2020 #50
Yep! And when that ass hole dies, he should be burried Under The Radar Sep 2020 #4
We must GOTV! gademocrat7 Sep 2020 #5
Yes. People need to register and vote, if for nothing else, president. ffr Sep 2020 #19
+10000000000000 to infinity! Heartstrings Sep 2020 #22
Destroy Moscow Mitch, not the norms... abqtommy Sep 2020 #7
There you go! How about getting rid of all Russian assets? soothsayer Sep 2020 #11
So, just roll over, right? Bobstandard Sep 2020 #18
So you're for destroying the constitution in order to save it? nt Xipe Totec Sep 2020 #47
While you are at it open DC & PR to statehood and pass the Wyoming rule to expand the House. Statistical Sep 2020 #8
I think it is being seriously considered that DC become a state Thekaspervote Sep 2020 #13
Two? Dark n Stormy Knight Sep 2020 #9
Donations to flip the senate...650k in 2 hours. Give if you can! Thekaspervote Sep 2020 #10
Fight fire with fire world wide wally Sep 2020 #14
I'd rather fight this fire with nuclear weapons. lastlib Sep 2020 #20
Can I get an Amen brothers and sisters? SergeStorms Sep 2020 #15
I said several days ago that I was afraid we wouldn't take back the Senate and people were Maraya1969 Sep 2020 #16
Amen Pepsidog Sep 2020 #21
I'm perfectly on board with this. We now HAVE to win the senate herding cats Sep 2020 #23
2 or 4 new justices would neutralize Dumps appointees. roamer65 Sep 2020 #24
Democrats must win. Failure is not an option. dalton99a Sep 2020 #25
I agree. It's time for more solutions rather than ecstatic Sep 2020 #26
Not just seats to SCOTUS but also all the other federal courts will need to be expanded if we want cstanleytech Sep 2020 #28
+1000! nt ecstatic Sep 2020 #32
30 years ago I would have said no but the Republicans have completely tossed the rules cstanleytech Sep 2020 #27
He hasn't taught me Jspur Sep 2020 #29
they didn't win They CHEATED!!! RANDYWILDMAN Sep 2020 #30
Add 6 for a total of 15- dilute the power of any one justice. Nt Fiendish Thingy Sep 2020 #31
Increase it to 13 and declare its in honor of the 13 founding states. cstanleytech Sep 2020 #34
Gee, thanks greenjar_01 Sep 2020 #33
Of course. moondust Sep 2020 #35
FDR Attempted To Pack The Supreme Court DallasNE Sep 2020 #36
It could be 50 years before Jspur Sep 2020 #37
Not Really DallasNE Sep 2020 #38
Dems will have to win like 4 straight Jspur Sep 2020 #40
Thomas is obese and looks like a heart attack waiting to happen yellowdogintexas Sep 2020 #44
Breyer Is 82 DallasNE Sep 2020 #55
We don't win elections ibegurpard Sep 2020 #39
Yeah BannonsLiver Sep 2020 #52
I wrote this in another thread about how to interpret Turtle-speak BumRushDaShow Sep 2020 #41
Agree 100% UCmeNdc Sep 2020 #42
Yup. nt SunSeeker Sep 2020 #43
Never, ever trust a Republiscum! Repeat often.............................. machoneman Sep 2020 #45
End the filibuster and add two Supreme Court Justices & add two States krawhitham Sep 2020 #46
We can't sit down to a friendly chess game with poker players. mjvpi Sep 2020 #48
+100000 I agree completely. Demsrule86 Sep 2020 #51
I like the way you think and agree 100% Doremus Sep 2020 #53
Fire with fire and it was their choice. A lot of good has been done with filibustering. Their ... marble falls Sep 2020 #54
Add 4. ElementaryPenguin Sep 2020 #56
........ABSOLUTELY....CORRECT...... titanicdave Sep 2020 #57
Trump and McConnell have taught us the norms by which we can treat NCjack Sep 2020 #59
It will honor RBG's legacy to fight. Politicub Sep 2020 #60
Take away pardon powers from the President. C Moon Sep 2020 #61
That would require amending the Constitution itself which is alot harder than increasing the number cstanleytech Sep 2020 #62
I was adding to the list... C Moon Sep 2020 #63
Two elections at least were stolen not won Meowmee Sep 2020 #64

Cha

(296,879 posts)
1. Hell yeah.. in case we didn't know. We WON in
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 10:54 PM
Sep 2020

the 2018 Democratic House Victory & Impeached trump for Treason.

BootinUp

(47,093 posts)
3. I just heard that Ginsburg was
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 10:55 PM
Sep 2020

against court stacking. But we have to create the future. I say more hardball.

BainsBane

(53,016 posts)
6. We blew the last general election
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 10:58 PM
Sep 2020

In part because the never Hillary "leftists" voted for a right-wing court. I don't think stacking the court is a solution for the failure to unite during elections, as the right has done for ages.

BootinUp

(47,093 posts)
12. If you have the power and don't use it you have to
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 11:03 PM
Sep 2020

live with the consequences. I think the cost in this case could be enormous. The only way to maintain an even keel is to keep on with the battle until the other side is open to negotiations.

Bobstandard

(1,292 posts)
17. Voters didn't deny Obama a Supreme Court nomination
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 11:24 PM
Sep 2020

Mitch was the guy who denied the sitting president his constitutional prerogative.
Democrats have to learn to fight power with power. And if you think Republicans in the same position would refrain from stacking the court, you haven’t been paying attention.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,104 posts)
58. The time for playing nice is OVER
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 04:42 PM
Sep 2020

Has been for a long time, but OUR side has got to be it in their collective heads that being nice gets us NOTHING but the right to say we were nice.

Nevilledog

(51,031 posts)
49. It's not court stacking or packing. It's making it more representative.
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 03:33 PM
Sep 2020

Conservatives are not the majority in this country and the Supreme Court should reflect that.

BootinUp

(47,093 posts)
50. that was the way it was described i dont have an exact quote
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 03:40 PM
Sep 2020

either way i believe she would see this plan as the same. But i am of the same opinion as you.

ffr

(22,665 posts)
19. Yes. People need to register and vote, if for nothing else, president.
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 11:28 PM
Sep 2020

Some people get all flustered by the ballot. I've explained this to them over and over, you don't have to vote on everything on a ballot. If you choose to leave items out, that's your choice. It's not at test.

Bobstandard

(1,292 posts)
18. So, just roll over, right?
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 11:26 PM
Sep 2020

We observe the norms while they trample all over them every time they grasp power. What kind of solution is that? It’s capitulation. That’s all.

Maraya1969

(22,464 posts)
16. I said several days ago that I was afraid we wouldn't take back the Senate and people were
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 11:21 PM
Sep 2020

poo pooing me.

Maybe this is Justice Ginsberg's last great act - to motivate us all to do everything possible to take back our senate.

Thank God that we had that wonderful woman for so long.

herding cats

(19,558 posts)
23. I'm perfectly on board with this. We now HAVE to win the senate
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 12:03 AM
Sep 2020

The RW is now just as motivated as we damn well better be.

This is our do or die moment. Now or literally never.

ecstatic

(32,653 posts)
26. I agree. It's time for more solutions rather than
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 12:42 AM
Sep 2020

the constant stream of "no we can't!" posts. Biden MUST add seats to the court. But yes, the first step is winning and winning BIG!

cstanleytech

(26,248 posts)
28. Not just seats to SCOTUS but also all the other federal courts will need to be expanded if we want
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 12:45 AM
Sep 2020

to fix the Republican corruption of the courts.

cstanleytech

(26,248 posts)
27. 30 years ago I would have said no but the Republicans have completely tossed the rules
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 12:44 AM
Sep 2020

into the the trash can in favor of gaining more power so it might well be time.
I would point out that it is not just SCOTUS though that this needs to be done at but also all the other federal courts will need expansion in the number of judges to counter the Republicans corruption of the courts.

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,664 posts)
30. they didn't win They CHEATED!!!
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 12:49 AM
Sep 2020

quit telling us they won and it's legit. If you cheated and won you didn't win that is not the will of the American voters...F that guy

cstanleytech

(26,248 posts)
34. Increase it to 13 and declare its in honor of the 13 founding states.
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 12:59 AM
Sep 2020

That would make it easier for us to paint the Republicans as unpatriotic should they try to do anything to counter it.

moondust

(19,963 posts)
35. Of course.
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 01:10 AM
Sep 2020

Heck, in Mitchworld I assume you can just make up an excuse to recall and replace all the judges you don't like and call it fair and equal justice under the law.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
36. FDR Attempted To Pack The Supreme Court
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 01:50 AM
Sep 2020

And it didn't go well. Doing that at this time would be an unforced error. You fix it by winning elections. Let's do it the right way.

Jspur

(578 posts)
37. It could be 50 years before
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 02:15 AM
Sep 2020

we get a Dem majority on the court by then most of us in here will be dead.

Jspur

(578 posts)
40. Dems will have to win like 4 straight
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 02:43 AM
Sep 2020

presidential elections to take out those guys. Unless we go on a FDR-Truman type of run I don't see it happening.

yellowdogintexas

(22,235 posts)
44. Thomas is obese and looks like a heart attack waiting to happen
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 03:05 PM
Sep 2020

I suspect he will be the first to go.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
55. Breyer Is 82
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 04:09 PM
Sep 2020

So I suspect he will be the first to go, especially if Biden in President. But Thomas does carry a lot of weight - indeed, does he have diabetes? Still, 72 is not that old.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
39. We don't win elections
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 02:34 AM
Sep 2020

With fascist courts rubber-stamping voter disenfranchisement and roadblocks in the way of free and fair elections

BannonsLiver

(16,313 posts)
52. Yeah
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 03:45 PM
Sep 2020

He went on to win 2 more presidential elections by wide margins. The times are different, the country is different and the cast of characters are different. Anyway, I’ve seen you flog this line repeatedly. I’m not sure it’s as profound a statement as you think it is.

BumRushDaShow

(128,527 posts)
41. I wrote this in another thread about how to interpret Turtle-speak
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 02:23 PM
Sep 2020
  • If WE are in power and WE win, WE will decide who WE will nominate, and

  • if YOU are in power and WE win (and control the Senate), WE will decide who WE will nominate (by BLOCKING YOUR NOMINATION), and

  • if YOU are in power and WE lose, WE will decide who WE will nominate (if we control the Senate).
  • krawhitham

    (4,641 posts)
    46. End the filibuster and add two Supreme Court Justices & add two States
    Sat Sep 19, 2020, 03:27 PM
    Sep 2020

    DC and Puerto Rico would be 4 democratic senators

    marble falls

    (57,014 posts)
    54. Fire with fire and it was their choice. A lot of good has been done with filibustering. Their ...
    Sat Sep 19, 2020, 04:07 PM
    Sep 2020

    misuse of it has changed all that. Two more Justices is a good idea, something I never thought I would say.

    titanicdave

    (429 posts)
    57. ........ABSOLUTELY....CORRECT......
    Sat Sep 19, 2020, 04:22 PM
    Sep 2020

    ........WIN !!!!......at....ANY...AND....ALL....VOTING....PLACES....be it by mail or in person........VOTE....BLUE....YOUR....WAY...OF...LIFE...IS...AT....STAKE !!!!

    NCjack

    (10,279 posts)
    59. Trump and McConnell have taught us the norms by which we can treat
    Sat Sep 19, 2020, 05:09 PM
    Sep 2020

    them. Before the criticisms come in about my comment, it should not be necessary to remind everyone that Repukes do not respect the slap of the velvet glove. Speaker Pelosi took over the House and effectively managed Repukes with rules they used to manage the House. DEMs need to operate with some of Donald's rules until we can establish norms.

    Repukes must earn their return to participate. That will likely require a fair reapportionment of the state and federal congressional districts. Of course, with a DEM tilt give them the sting of what they have done to use for a decade.

    Politicub

    (12,165 posts)
    60. It will honor RBG's legacy to fight.
    Sat Sep 19, 2020, 06:34 PM
    Sep 2020

    And I believe she would want liberals use the levers of power presented to us.

    New day. New norms. For Ruth!

    cstanleytech

    (26,248 posts)
    62. That would require amending the Constitution itself which is alot harder than increasing the number
    Sat Sep 19, 2020, 08:57 PM
    Sep 2020

    of SCOTUS seats.

    Meowmee

    (5,164 posts)
    64. Two elections at least were stolen not won
    Sat Sep 19, 2020, 09:45 PM
    Sep 2020

    One was 2016... Biden better not concede, fight this time or all is lost forever.

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