Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
71 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Pelosi: "We have our options. We have arrows in our quiver that I'm not about to discuss right now" (Original Post) triron Sep 2020 OP
Big bazooka-looking arrows C_U_L8R Sep 2020 #1
We're gonna need a bigger bow. n/t Harker Sep 2020 #11
A big baddah bow. C_U_L8R Sep 2020 #21
big baddah boom... cayugafalls Sep 2020 #53
6 weeks DownriverDem Sep 2020 #41
Don't think Stephanopoulos suggestion would have any effect. Hope Pelosi is correct Raven123 Sep 2020 #2
Well, I hope she's ready and willing to use them. grumpyduck Sep 2020 #3
Why do you think that she wouldn't be? ehrnst Sep 2020 #35
the hOuse no power in any the stuff concerning a supreme court nomination or approval beachbumbob Sep 2020 #4
But any impeachment goes to the top of the Senate calendar leftieNanner Sep 2020 #33
This is the strategy MoonlitKnight Sep 2020 #52
Is impeachment required to come before other business? aikoaiko Sep 2020 #58
Impeachment grantcart Sep 2020 #50
trion..... Upthevibe Sep 2020 #5
Me too. I have no idea what McConnell can or can't do. triron Sep 2020 #7
When have ever...every seen or heard her bluff? Like never! Thekaspervote Sep 2020 #17
I agree. Pelosi doesn't shoot from the hip. EVER. What she has, she thinks will slow this down CTyankee Sep 2020 #25
When has she ever bluffed? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2020 #36
This! Or lied. fierywoman Sep 2020 #42
Wasn't trying to imply she has. Sorry if taken that way. triron Sep 2020 #45
Saying you're sorry that 'someone else' reacted to something you posted ehrnst Sep 2020 #48
Also the bill is up for renewal regarding running the government . . . Iliyah Sep 2020 #10
They republicans are llashram Sep 2020 #18
Yeah, but... robbob Sep 2020 #28
yeah I know llashram Sep 2020 #32
Incredible movie. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2020 #54
youtube has it also llashram Sep 2020 #67
Good to know. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2020 #68
Griffith was so amazing in that movie! n/t moonscape Sep 2020 #56
If the government shuts down, the stock market will crash. That is about the only thing vsrazdem Sep 2020 #46
But Dems would be blamed - wouldn't this backfire? n/t moonscape Sep 2020 #66
Pelosi says she won't do it. But it doesn't really matter. She will be blamed if this goes vsrazdem Sep 2020 #71
Impeachment of Trump would be a bad idea BainsBane Sep 2020 #14
McConnell has no power over what the House does Wicked Blue Sep 2020 #24
About as much as the Pelosi has over what the Senate does FBaggins Sep 2020 #59
I am very sure that there are plans that have been made for every situation. Srkdqltr Sep 2020 #6
We know she's playing a strategic game of stress Farmgirl1961 Sep 2020 #8
At this point--shoot the arrows, launch the catapult, drop the mother of all bombs... Mrs. Overall Sep 2020 #9
The process to impeach Barr should have began already Escurumbele Sep 2020 #12
Barr will never be convicted in the Senate. Lonestarblue Sep 2020 #13
that's okay, just as long as the house proceeds with the charges. nt iluvtennis Sep 2020 #15
Agree! Nancy's got something up her sleeve. They need to go for the jugular vein RIGHT NOW!... Illumination Sep 2020 #16
When the timing is right. If you come for the king, you best not miss. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2020 #37
Well ehrnst, that's a pretty big target to work with!... Illumination Sep 2020 #38
True, that! ehrnst Sep 2020 #40
Republicans are waging an all-out war against Americans and American democracy dalton99a Sep 2020 #19
Well, I hope she's planning to USE those arrows, FoxNewsSucks Sep 2020 #20
The Senate confirms justices. The House has no say in this, unless, impeachment again? Baclava Sep 2020 #22
They have no say... period. FBaggins Sep 2020 #60
Before RBG's death republicans had the majority . .. Iliyah Sep 2020 #23
There are different majorities on the court on different issues FBaggins Sep 2020 #61
If they just impeach for the sole purpose to stall, then Trump wins in November Polybius Sep 2020 #26
I'm not saying you are wrong Hstch05 Sep 2020 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Polybius Sep 2020 #30
I think we need to get 4 Republican Senators to commit to not voting until after the election Polybius Sep 2020 #31
While better to not have to use this pre election MoonlitKnight Sep 2020 #55
Nov 4th grantcart Sep 2020 #51
True FBaggins Sep 2020 #62
Not a good idea Bayard Sep 2020 #29
Barr, please wryter2000 Sep 2020 #34
What can the House do that stops the Senate, forces the Senate to deal with something? bucolic_frolic Sep 2020 #39
Shit-seeking missles Blue Owl Sep 2020 #43
Be Careful OhioTim Sep 2020 #44
The speculation on this thread largely assumes "We" is the House. Gore1FL Sep 2020 #47
ABC News - Democrats will 'use every arrow in our quiver' to block Trump's Supreme Court nominee BlueWavePsych Sep 2020 #49
The arrow is the House Ways and Means Committee. roamer65 Sep 2020 #57
Not much of an arrow FBaggins Sep 2020 #64
Absolutely the right thing. TheProle Sep 2020 #63
Hope she's right Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2020 #65
Rt.. TY triron & Nancy! Cha Sep 2020 #69
I am going to trust the Madame Speaker on this. peacebuzzard Sep 2020 #70
 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
4. the hOuse no power in any the stuff concerning a supreme court nomination or approval
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 10:18 AM
Sep 2020

the house does have the power to defund the federal court system

leftieNanner

(15,082 posts)
33. But any impeachment goes to the top of the Senate calendar
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 11:48 AM
Sep 2020

So Mitch would be required to take it up instead of jamming through the next Justice.

Upthevibe

(8,038 posts)
5. trion.....
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 10:18 AM
Sep 2020

I was in an online discussion about this yesterday. We were especially speaking of the possible impeachment of Barr because apparently there's a rule that everything else gets pushed aside if an impeachment is in process. Having said that, one of the posters said that he thought that McConnel could possibly eliminate that rule. I'd love to hear further discussion about this option...

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
25. I agree. Pelosi doesn't shoot from the hip. EVER. What she has, she thinks will slow this down
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 11:29 AM
Sep 2020

if not stop it.

Don't worry too much. Fingers crossed, though...

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
48. Saying you're sorry that 'someone else' reacted to something you posted
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 12:37 PM
Sep 2020

isn't an apology.

I'm not the only one who got that impression. Perhaps it's worth editing your post to ensure that you're understood clearly.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
10. Also the bill is up for renewal regarding running the government . . .
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 10:47 AM
Sep 2020

I believe on 10/1/2020. I don't think the republicans don't want a shut down, but who knows, they are so power hungry, I would not put it past them. Negotiations for the funding puts all other matters to the side, which includes US SC open seat. My gosh, we were at 4/4 for months at one point in time.

Infections galore and deaths are continuing concerning COVID-19. In other words while focusing on the open seat, republicans don't and never cared about virus and the deaths and illness nor for the Americans suffering from it nor do they care about Americans who are unemployed nor businesses who were affected by it.

fuck them.

llashram

(6,265 posts)
18. They republicans are
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 11:04 AM
Sep 2020

like trump said, very "disgusting people". Put me in mind of 'A Face in the Crowd'. And the ending when open mic ended his career and exposed him as the conman fraud he always was. Andy Griffith and Patricia Neal-1957 release date.

robbob

(3,527 posts)
28. Yeah, but...
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 11:41 AM
Sep 2020

tRump has been quoted and caught on recordings saying all kinds of horrible things. Effect on his followers? Zero.

llashram

(6,265 posts)
32. yeah I know
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 11:48 AM
Sep 2020

his followers are in goose-step behind the lead goose-stepper. Never would have any effect on them. He could say all those lies and horrible things about disrespecting women, minorities, POC, and his base just want white power, aka 10, the '20s '30's '40s and '50, back. Where POC and women will know their place in the pecking order.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,848 posts)
54. Incredible movie.
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 12:50 PM
Sep 2020

I watched it recently and was completely blown away. It's Andy Griffith before he became Sheriff Andy Griffith, which was the only way I had known him before.

I'd suggest that everyone who reads this watch "A Face in the Crowd". Right now you can rent or buy it on Amazon. It's not on either Netflix or Hulu right now. If you're lucky your local library might have a copy of it.

But try to see it.

vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)
46. If the government shuts down, the stock market will crash. That is about the only thing
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 12:31 PM
Sep 2020

Trump cares about at this point.

vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)
71. Pelosi says she won't do it. But it doesn't really matter. She will be blamed if this goes
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 06:14 PM
Sep 2020

through without a fight. Twitter world is already talking about supporting her opponent in CA if this ends up going throughout without a fight.

Wicked Blue

(5,831 posts)
24. McConnell has no power over what the House does
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 11:25 AM
Sep 2020

The House can hold impeachment hearings whenever they deem it necessary. For as long as they deem it necessary.

I don't believe the Senate comes into play unless, and until, the House votes to convict.

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
59. About as much as the Pelosi has over what the Senate does
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 01:35 PM
Sep 2020

I seriously doubt Pelosi has the votes for impeachment now... but even if she did, the most impact it would have would be for the days after she delivered it to the Senate and they took it up. Not much reason to believe that it could keep a nomination from going through if there are 50 republicans in the Senate who want it.

Srkdqltr

(6,271 posts)
6. I am very sure that there are plans that have been made for every situation.
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 10:35 AM
Sep 2020

She and her people know what is possible and legal. If possible and legal exists.

Farmgirl1961

(1,493 posts)
8. We know she's playing a strategic game of stress
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 10:41 AM
Sep 2020

I just hope it’s more than the use of a pawn. She’s got to go for checkmate and hope the Rethugs are going to burn the entire board.

Escurumbele

(3,386 posts)
12. The process to impeach Barr should have began already
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 10:51 AM
Sep 2020

He is a very dangerous tool, he must be removed from his post. I am not sure what Nadler and Pelosi are waiting for, the process should have started right after he lied about the Muller report, at least that would have stopped the the plans he is working on.

Lonestarblue

(9,971 posts)
13. Barr will never be convicted in the Senate.
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 10:57 AM
Sep 2020

Republicans are fine with his shenanigans and efforts to reelect Trump. They don’t care about the rule of law because they know that Barr will protect all of them and help keep Trump in the White House. Impeachment in the House will not stop a Senate cote on a new SC justice.

dalton99a

(81,451 posts)
19. Republicans are waging an all-out war against Americans and American democracy
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 11:08 AM
Sep 2020

Democrats must be just as ferocious.





FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
20. Well, I hope she's planning to USE those arrows,
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 11:09 AM
Sep 2020

not just keep them sharpened in the quiver and stored next to Harry Reid's dry powder.

Maybe it's time to get that powder out also.

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
60. They have no say... period.
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 01:41 PM
Sep 2020

If there were 67 votes in the Senate to remove... then there wouldn't be 50 votes to approve a nominee.

The only thing impeachment would do would be to force (under current Senate rules) the Senate to set aside what they're working on and hold a trial... but those rules can be changed and they can vote to dismiss the trial either way.

At most... they could mess with the Senate calendar for a few days... and that doesn't get us to January.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
23. Before RBG's death republicans had the majority . ..
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 11:24 AM
Sep 2020

5-4. They could have overturned Roe vs. Wade at any time. But they did not. Judge Roberts at this point in time has semi protected ACA, not voting rights. Civil rights I don't know his track record.

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
61. There are different majorities on the court on different issues
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 01:44 PM
Sep 2020

And even within the same issue depending on the specifics of a given case (as Roberts just proved with the recent abortion ruling)...

... but there's no question that replacing Ginsburg with pretty much anyone Trump would pick - is a huge shift on many critical issues.

Polybius

(15,385 posts)
26. If they just impeach for the sole purpose to stall, then Trump wins in November
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 11:31 AM
Sep 2020

Perhaps even the House would be in play.

Hstch05

(219 posts)
27. I'm not saying you are wrong
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 11:38 AM
Sep 2020

But, respectfully, how to you figure that exactly? How does the math on that work?

Response to Hstch05 (Reply #27)

Polybius

(15,385 posts)
31. I think we need to get 4 Republican Senators to commit to not voting until after the election
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 11:46 AM
Sep 2020

Preferably, the new Senate. Because if people see that Democrats are impeaching this close to the election and it's only to stall, many will blame us. He's only a few points behind, especially in close states. If 5% nation-wide break for him because of this, then Biden loses.

MoonlitKnight

(1,584 posts)
55. While better to not have to use this pre election
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 12:54 PM
Sep 2020

If we have to we just pound the message that it is not being done for any reason other than to use it as a tool to hold Republicans to the precedent they set.

It also allows the narrative of protecting ACA and pre existing conditions.

It’s not like there are not an abundance of legit causes for impeachment anyway. Just send one at a time to force Senate into trials until the clock runs out.

Polling this week will likely determine the next moves on both sides.

But we are not without ammo.

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
62. True
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 01:47 PM
Sep 2020

BUT it's also true that she needs to look like she's doing everything possible to keep Trump from replacing Ginsburg.

There really isn't anything that she can do. But she can't look like she's accepting the inevitable.

Bayard

(22,061 posts)
29. Not a good idea
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 11:42 AM
Sep 2020

Trump would get a lot of pity votes--Dems are out to get him.

I trust Nancy, so this makes me feel a bit better.

OhioTim

(258 posts)
44. Be Careful
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 12:22 PM
Sep 2020

All of the talk about increasing the number of justices worries me. If Trump wins, what keeps HIM from increasing the number and appointing a bunch of Republicans.

BlueWavePsych

(2,635 posts)
49. ABC News - Democrats will 'use every arrow in our quiver' to block Trump's Supreme Court nominee
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 12:41 PM
Sep 2020
Pelosi says Democrats will 'use every arrow in our quiver' to block Trump's Supreme Court nominee - ABC News

"We have our options. We have arrows in our quiver that I'm not about to discuss right now but the fact is we have a big challenge in our country. This president has threatened to not even accept the results of the election," Pelosi told ABC News Chief Anchor George Stephanopoulos. "Our main goal would be to protect the integrity of the election as we protect the people from the coronavirus."

Pressed by Stephanopoulos that she's "not ruling anything out," Pelosi emphasized that the Constitution requires Congress "to use every arrow in our quiver."

"We have a responsibility," she said. "We take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. We have a responsibility to meet the needs of the American people."

"None of us has any interest in shutting down government. That has such a harmful and painful impact on so many people in our country. So I would hope that we can just proceed with that," Pelosi said. "We're not going to be shutting down government. I do hope, though, that the focus on health care and what it means in terms of the courts will have public opinion be of such magnitude that the Republicans will finally, finally address the coronavirus crisis."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pelosi-democrats-arrow-quiver-block-trumps-supreme-court/story?id=73121750

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
57. The arrow is the House Ways and Means Committee.
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 12:56 PM
Sep 2020

...and all the other committees that budget money.

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
64. Not much of an arrow
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 01:54 PM
Sep 2020

The committees that budget money don't have the power to take money away that is already out there. Even if they could it wouldn't impact a Senate confirmation. It doesn't cost anything for the president to send over a piece of paper saying he nominates someone... and the House can't strip the Senate of the funds to hold a hearing. And even if they could do that... the Senate doesn't have to hold a hearing if they want to just vote up/down on a nominee.

People overstate the "power of the purse" all the time. But this could be a new extreme.



peacebuzzard

(5,167 posts)
70. I am going to trust the Madame Speaker on this.
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 05:45 PM
Sep 2020

rather than hope for a republican senator to join our ranks, tired of that route.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Pelosi: "We have our opti...