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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHere's what I truly don't understand about the religious anti-abortion people
My family are very religious people. They grew up in the backwoods of the state of Georgia on a farm. I grew up in a religious setting. Growing up in that setting is the reason Im not religious today. My grandmother was a southern Baptist woman that made sure my cousins and I went to church and was baptized. I hated it!
Im saying all that to say I was always taught that God makes the ultimate judgment for everyone. Everything goes according to Gods plan and God dont need help. Everyone will get their day of judgment when the Lord calls them.
That leads me to the question why exactly do they care? If God is the ultimate decider, what makes them think that they can cast judgement upon the mere mortals on Earth?
What makes them feel so righteous to but into other peoples lives?
I would assume that any Christian would believe that any decision of whether someone should be punished for having an abortion or performing one does not belong with any mere mortal on this Earth. It belongs to God and God alone.
LonePirate
(13,417 posts)Those views are about subjugating women and maintaining the white race. If you have any doubt about the racism which is implicit in anti-abortion views, notice the absolute lack of outrage from anti-abortion types over the forced hysterectomies performed on refugees/immigrants by our very own government.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Of a Sister if Charity who is anti-abortion, anti-euthanasia, anti-death penalty, and horrified at the treatment of refugees.
She is my aunt so I know her pretty well.
Ms. Toad
(34,062 posts)I personally know many Catholics who are sincere, and non-hypocritical in their beliefs about matters of humans deciding to take the life of another, whether by abortion, death penaty, war, etc.
That does not mean that all Catholics are similarly consistent, but it is a not insignificant number.
TheRealNorth
(9,478 posts)it has nothing to do about following the Church of Christ. Its about being able to denounce others with the sanction of their religion. In essence, its a way to feel superior because of God.
All the guys that I knew in my 20's that were anti-abortion were trying to get laid (out of wedlock) on Fri and Sat night like me. So they were definitely picking and choosing which sins were more important.
dreamland
(964 posts)You are not following... it's all about control.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)didnt vote or participate in politics because it was worldly. Then, the gop figured out how to exploit them by telling them their religion was being attacked by secularists, liberals, globalist, and Democrats. That was reinforced by talk radio, Christian grifters, and now by Faux Noise. Its a political strategy, not really representative of religious belief.
In It to Win It
(8,236 posts)Yet they continue to fall for it. Hook line and sinker.
They pick people who have no intention of acting on their anti abortion stance but rather pass that issue to the unelected branch of government to act like their doing something.
cos dem
(903 posts)The bible itself is fine with abortion.
https://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/abortion.html
procon
(15,805 posts)Male domination and female submission. It's about power and control. It's little, impotent, weak, craven, stupid and violent men stoking their fragile egos by bullying, browbeating and punishing women.
Men have been at it for centuries. They've perfected their domination act to a fine performance art, even convincing some ignorant women to take up sides against their own gender.
They will not stand. Their umbrella of religious taboos is threadbare and no longer the bugaboo of millenniums past.
Women are the majority. Women vote. Women organize and inspire movements. Make it so.
Midnight Writer
(21,745 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,775 posts)Pro-life is a myth.
The supposed pro-lifers cared naught when the state of Texas (republican gov, republican Prez) deliberately killed living baby Sun Hudson against the mother's wishes because he was an inconvenience to the state.
It is not a matter of life to the supposed pro-lifers.
It is a matter of control.
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)of what the christian right see as sins. If you are on welfare you are lazy and you avoid starving and getting a job with it.
You get the idea.
The moral scolds can not suffer that people get away with something they aren't allowed, in their minds, to do themselves.
Well, those that aren't rank hypocrites anyway.
They are playing God and attempting to punish people.
Mariana
(14,854 posts)There is Biblical support for that idea.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)didn't have strong feelings about the issue until RWers decided to politcize it and turn it into a wedge issue that could mobilize votes for Rs.
Historically, I think it was only Catholics who had a strong position on the issue.
What I don't understand is why these Evilgelicals would be so against what they must believe is the sending of innocent baby's souls to Heaven before they have the possibility before they have the possibility of becoming unsaved and spending eternity in Hell.
Shermann
(7,412 posts)It is the Mother of All wedge issues designed to mobilize votes. Why tackle difficult issues like climate change and poverty where success can be so elusive? With a manufactured issue like this, you set the bar and are automatically on the winning side of it from Day One. As a bonus, the other side can be made to look immoral through propaganda. The real injustice of course is in making pawns of the real disadvantaged women caught in the gears. It's the cost of doing business.
If anybody believes these privileged white men have such deep empathy for zygotes, I have some swampland in Florida to sell you.
moose65
(3,166 posts)In fact, for the first few years after Roe v Wade, there was NO backlash from evangelicals. In fact, some evangelical pastors even spoke out in favor of it!
It wasnt until St. Reagan was running for President in 1979 that Jerry Falwell and others hit on the abortion issue as a way to rally the faithful to their cause.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,326 posts)The 10 commandments say do not murder, and Christ said love your neighbor as yourself. Preventing abortion is loving the unborn neighbor, as they see it.
JI7
(89,247 posts)freedom over their body and therefore their life.
The ones who truly are against abortion are probably a very small number. Mostly religious and female.
But the men would easily demand a woman get an abortion if it was inconvenient for them.
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)just consider the scrotum in chief and his cronies
myccrider
(484 posts)and power. Its power for the GOP & religious leaders, its controlling women/female sexuality for many in the pews, its a warped empathy for babies for some of the young and naive. One of the best responses Ive read to the abortion issue was from an ex-abortion opponent.
"How I Lost Faith in the Pro-Life Movement"
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2012/10/how-i-lost-faith-in-the-pro-life-movement.html
Some quick quotes (but I encourage all to read it in full):
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"I was raised in the sort of evangelical family where abortion is the number one political issue. I grew up believing that abortion was murder, and when I stopped identifying as pro-life I initially still believed that. Why, then, did I stop identifying as pro-life? Quite simply, I learned that increasing contraceptive use, not banning abortion, was the key to decreasing the number of abortions. Given that the pro-life movement focuses on banning abortion and is generally opposed advocating greater contraceptive use, I knew that I no longer fit. I also knew that my biggest allies in decreasing the number of abortions were those who supported increased birth control use in other words, pro-choice progressives. And so I stopped calling myself pro-life.
My views on fetal personhood and womens bodily autonomy have shifted since that day, but when I first started blogging a year and a half ago I was nevertheless very insistent that the pro-life movement should be taken at its word when it came to rhetoric about saving unborn babies from being murdered. I insisted that the pro-life movement wasnt anti-woman or anti-sex, and that those who opposed abortion genuinely believed that a zygote/embryo/fetus was a person with rights in need of protection just like any other person. I believed that the pro-life movements actions were counterproductive, but that they were merely misinformed. I wrote a post with practical suggestions for opponents of abortion. I believed that the pro-life movement was genuine in its goals, but simply ignorant about how its goals might best be obtained.
I have come to the conclusion that I was wrong."
[snip]
"If it were about babies, they would be making access to birth control widespread and free and creating a comprehensive social safety net so that no woman finds herself with a pregnancy she cant afford. They would be raising money for research on why half of all zygotes fail to implant and working to prevent miscarriages. Its not about babies. Its about controlling women. Its about making sure they have consequences for having unapproved sex."
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MY fave rant centers on bodily autonomy. [Posed as a question] If the government is allowed to force a woman to use her body in pregnancy to keep someone else alive, regardless of the wishes of or consequences to that woman, then would it be moral/ethical/legal for the gov to set up a national database that matches those in need of livers, kidneys, bone marrow, blood, etc with all adult citizens and if you are a match then you should HAVE.NO.CHOICE about donating to prevent someone elses death, regardless of cost, lost work/school time, medical repercussions, etc? Whats good for the goose...
Later,
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... their biblical beliefs when it comes to abortion (which are wrong) are born out in the church and what someone they trust says about it.
Show them Exodus 20 ... their faces drop then they call you a liar or they throw away the bible.
that simple, they want to be right about the issue could care less about "children"
Xolodno
(6,390 posts)Being serious, there are only two options.
1. They don't believe God is in control and thus hypocrites.
2. It isn't about God, but them being able to stand on their pedestal and being smug about being righteous and condemning people. Of Christ has some choice words about them practicing their piety in public.
Doesn't help most never have even read the Bible cover to cover at least once and rely on church sponsored materials for study, sermon, etc., that avoids certain details. And the excuse is, the professionals know what they are doing. Easier to dress up nice on Sunday, head out for a time....then rush for Brunch and get that bloody mary.
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)Abortion is their hot button issue because they can't stand for women to control the reproductive process by making choices about their bodies.