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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRepublicans likely handed the Dems an electoral landslide
Sure, there are a lot of people screaming online right now how Trump can now steal the election with impunity and the Supreme Court is just going to say "yup, you're a dictator now, congratulations". However I think those people are....talking out of their asses, to put it politely. The situation is bad with the supreme Court but it's not "the United States is dead and Trump is now Hitler" bad.
Regardless, the election is still coming up despite some people's fears that it somehow isn't, and it seems that the Republicans have handed the Democrats a landslide victory. Really though if you're McConnell or Trump you don't have any good options here when it comes to the election. Trump has been staring down a very likely defeat for months if not years now and the Senate is looking increasingly likely to end up Democratic. They could be honorable (obviously was never going to happen), likely lose the white house and Senate, and the Dems replace Ginsberg. Or they can shit all over everything, ram someone through, and lose anyway. Logically they are going to go with ramming someone through. Their days are numbered regardless.
I have heard some people automatically assume that this whole situation somehow benefits Trump and the Republicans electorally. But that really doesn't make since. The biggest reason why, as Harry Enten pointed out on CNN today, Republicans voters are already maxed on enthusiasm and Republican candidates are largely maxed out on support from Republican voters. They have been playing to the base and only the base for so long, that well is already dry. They can't squeeze anything else out of their base. So replacing a liberal justice with a conservative one doesn't help Trump or the Republicans.
But it does massively piss of Democrats and liberals, 5 weeks before the election. Maybe even some independents and swing voters who see the Republicans making a morbid power grab and being dishonorable. Look at the $100 million the Dems raised in 1 day. Biden was already putting up big numbers against Trump even though Democratic "enthusiasm" was pretty mediocre. What the Republicans have done is turbocharged the Democratic base at the exact right time for them to slaughter the GOP at the polls.
I know pessimism seems to be reining supreme right now so it is hard to believe but the Democrats have very likely been handed an landslide victory in November, the likes of which we haven't seen in decades.
AleksS
(1,665 posts)There used to be talk of an enthusiasm gap but money talks and 100 million dollars in one day tells me theres a lot of Democratic enthusiasm right now.
mzmolly
(50,980 posts)hope so.
Quixote1818
(28,918 posts)Dr. Jack
(675 posts)They are going to talk about all of these programs and civil rights they can take away now, which is going to scare the shit out of people that until now have been only half paying attention.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)And appoint new Justices to uphold the new law.
I just don't understand the trumpists' rationale to rush to replace her. It is a LONG TERM losing strategy.
But hey, they're smarty-pants elitists so what do I know.
COL Mustard
(5,871 posts)Seriously...when your opponent is digging himself into a hole, hand him a shovel!
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,567 posts)In the 48 hrs following the announcement of @KamalaHarris as VP, the Biden campaign raised over $48M. Less than 24hrs after RBG left us, Democrats raised over $70M. Strong women change everything. They carry us through our worst + show us our best. If we win, it's because of them
Link to tweet
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Dr. Jack
(675 posts)But what is even more important is the new heights of democratic engagement it represents. The backlash to the Republicans in this election is going to be severe.
BigmanPigman
(51,567 posts)or today showed that 51% of ALL voters say we should wait to be fair. That is what they say (not what they will actually do). We shall see.....
Lasher
(27,541 posts)(CNN)The full political impact of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg's death on Friday and Donald Trump's rush to fill her Supreme Court seat has yet to emerge. But if you don't think these events have the potential to energize Democrats to possibly record election turnouts in November, you probably haven't seen what's going in the Democratic base.
Here are two facts every discussion on this topic must include -- as I've heard firsthand from listeners who call my nightly SiriusXM radio show. One, how much Trump is utterly despised by Democrats. Two, how much that same base loves Ginsburg, a global icon affectionately referred to as RBG.
The Democratic response so far should terrify Trump and GOP Senate candidates up for election this year. Democrats have already begun channeling their pain at losing RBG into action, pouring a record-breaking number of donations to Democratic candidates and causes via the online fundraising platform ActBlue. The New York Times reported that from about 9 p.m. ET Friday -- about 90 minutes after RBG's death was announced -- ActBlue reported receiving $6.2 million in donations, the most ever in just one hour in the platform's 16-year history. That record was broken the following hour when $6.3 million was donated, more than $100,000 per minute.
Saturday, after Trump announced he would be nominating a candidate for RBG's seat this week, ActBlue raised another $70.6 million dollars from 1.2 million contributors. All told in the 28 hours after RBG's death, ActBlue reported receiving $100 million in donations for Democrats. (I can't find any reports of an upsurge in GOP fundraising since Friday.) For perspective, Trump and the Republican National Committee raised $210 million in the full month of August. Biden and the Democratic National Committee raised $364.5 million in the same period.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/20/opinions/democrats-response-to-ruth-bader-ginsburg-death-should-terrify-trump-obeidallah/index.html
BigmanPigman
(51,567 posts)He always boasts about how good he is with money. Even his own father knew he was a "loser" with large sums.
I saw a chart showing Act Blue donations after death...zoom...through the roof!
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214097165
Lasher
(27,541 posts)Trump has raised $1.33B but he's spent $1.13B
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/20/858347477/money-tracker-how-much-trump-and-biden-have-raised-in-the-2020-election
BigmanPigman
(51,567 posts)Biden has about $1.1Billion now (up from $990 Million).
onetexan
(13,023 posts)Statistical
(19,264 posts)on the money aspect. Democrats were already ahead this year in fundraising and this treachery supercharged that. Some of those Senate races are within the margin of error. Some extra funding right at the critical moment could flip a seat from 2% loss to a 1% win. Still I don't think it will be a landslide (I would be overjoyed to be wrong) although I am confident Biden will win and it is now more likely although not guaranteed that the Senate flips.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Amazing how that happens when he surrounds himself with grifters like Parscale. Trump had a billion dollar warchest, but now that's almost gone, so the Trump campaign's been going dark in a lot of areas.
Though Trump's secret weapon is that all he has to do is be a bag of dicks in public, and our craven media will give him free air time.
czarjak
(11,254 posts)Not fake news!
Joinfortmill
(14,395 posts)2naSalit
(86,332 posts)So "it's" here now. Now we fight like we have never fought before because this could be the last real election if we don't fight hard.
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)Its how some of us work. We hope for the best but expect the worst. Its a motivator. Much like the motivation for the fantastic donation amounts since we lost her.
I dont dare for one minute allow myself to forget that Trump is going to cheat every way possible. His life is on the line. If he loses, he goes to jail or worse. When Putin has no further use for him, well, hed better watch his tea! Because we all KNOW hes compromised.
Early voting for me begins October 13th. Ill be there.
C Moon
(12,209 posts)There's always more than meets the eye, when it comes to the GOPutin.
Yavin4
(35,421 posts)Hopefully, they've seen the light.
Neema
(1,151 posts)temper tantrum.
bucolic_frolic
(43,062 posts)but those last 11 or 12 House seats were tabulated over a number of days or even weeks and the margins were razor thin. I'd call it outperformance. And I'd be happy to see the same in 2020. I suspect results will be slow, which favors Trump's legal shenanigans, and razor thin.
What troubles me is all the Trump signs in hillbilly country. Some can't read the signs, but their pastor has them voting for the first time. That's why I think our margins will be razor thin. We will overperform. So will they.
Watershed elections, landslides are like pursuing the Stanley Cup. Don't mention it, don't ever touch it, until you've won.
jorgevlorgan
(8,279 posts)SharonAnn
(13,771 posts)IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)that's the best we can hope for is turnout on our side.
Rice4VP
(1,235 posts)It took 2016 for people to wake up and realize..gee, this voting thing does matter
srose58089
(214 posts)This is just one person who I will identify as a middle aged white female rural Florida voter messaged me today on Facebook:
. . . not quoted . . .
"Also, RBG just pushed me over the edge - you will be happy to know... I will probably have to vote for Biden... I don't want to! I'm pretty scared of what Democrats will do with the government in this pandemic - mask mandates and forcing businesses to close - but I'm more afraid of the long term consequences of disrupting our Supreme Court. UGH honestly, I think we're totally FUCKED anyway!!!!"
I am not going to even try an analyze this statement and post it as received. It does give me hope as this woman was a tRump voter in 2016.
relayerbob
(6,537 posts)If people think Dems are winning big, they may choose not to vote. Let them panic and drive the turnout. We need to have HUGE victory, up and down the ballot.
Even suggesting the possibility of a landslide victory is WAY premature, and counterproductive.
catbyte
(34,338 posts)want this election to hurt. We want this to be a historic landslide to humiliate that thing in the White House and all of his enablers. The talk of a landslide just makes me want it to work to make it happen all the more.
cstanleytech
(26,236 posts)regardless who the nomination is currently the court will remain a 5 conservative majority for atleast for awhile.
On the other hand if he pushes it there is alot of push right now on the left to enlarge the court to counter it and once a judge is on SCOTUS they cannot be removed as its a life appointment.
sarisataka
(18,497 posts)than the landslide of 2016?
DallasNE
(7,402 posts)Informing people by specific State how to request then cast a mail-in ballot because that is the one way to beat voter suppression efforts at the polls (ID laws, etc.) and that is why Republicans spend so much time yelling fraud. It defeats their efforts at voter suppression. And it needs to be done multi-media in order not to miss blocks of voters. Lacking that, November 3rd could be a long, disappointing night.
VOTE BY MAIL
VOTE BY MAIL
peggysue2
(10,823 posts)I think there will be a massive blowback to this power grab. Any enthusiasm gap that pundits have been yapping about is now fully null and void. Democrats were prepared to flood the polls, now they're flooding donation sites as well with well over $100 million donated to Act Blue alone since Justice Ginsburg's death and McConnell's early dance across her grave.
If there was an iota of doubt that every Republican up for election needs to be tossed out on their ear, that doubt or hesitation has vanished. McConnell and the rest of Trump's enablers have proven themselves to be unAmerican saboteurs whose only guiding principle is the continuation of their own power. Without shame and at any cost, even the destruction of the country.
Democratic voters and all other Americans who find this current display of utter arrogance despicable will be blasting their objections with their vote, their unified voice.
We will carry this moment.
Upthevibe
(8,016 posts)I definitely think you have some great points. Thank you for your well-thought out assessment....
sandensea
(21,604 posts)If every Republican on the Court were like Chief Justice Roberts, there would be no doubt that the Court in fact isn't "the United States is dead and Trump is now Hitler" bad.
But alas...
ecstatic
(32,653 posts)I won't feel comfortable until Biden is declared the winner.
Qutzupalotl
(14,289 posts)Republicans and Trump will have shot their wad (sorry for the crude visual).
Trumps electoral value is in the potential to name a justice. Actually doing it, especially under these circumstances, with many on record opposing it in an election year, diminishes Trumps value. His voters liked the idea of him doing it sometime in the future. Seeing it play out this way, and giving them the conservative court they dreamed of, means they dont need him anymore. So I think it will somewhat depress his bases turnout, and I think youre right that it will light a fire under us.
calimary
(81,125 posts)And let's work like hell to make it happen!
crickets
(25,952 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)not before.
BannonsLiver
(16,313 posts)And the crow will be delicious, I promise.
kentuck
(111,052 posts)It will not turn out the way they think.
Blue Owl
(50,271 posts)And make her proud!
intrepidity
(7,275 posts)I'm hoping true.
Dem2
(8,166 posts)Glad you've taken on the pessimism that seems rampant these days.
DIVINEprividence
(443 posts)Just impeach anyone the GOP jam through. Their overreach gives us all the political cover we need
tiptonic
(765 posts)Normally I would agree with your theory but u left out, the Putin factor. He doesn't play fair and he doesn't have to. Please vote people.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)List left
(595 posts)OnDoutside
(19,948 posts)railroad massive change through. Being nice has got the Dems nowhere with the scum on the Right. The American people are crying out for change, and I believe will back President Biden. There is nothing to lose.
samsingh
(17,593 posts)brewens
(13,542 posts)if Trump has goons there harassing people, and maybe Proud Boy types as well. I don't think they're gonna take it again.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,062 posts)HRC had a lock on it. This is not the time to watch a golden sunset, it's time to work like we're 10 points behind. If you have time to think about the outcome, you're not working hard enough.