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Dr. Jack

(675 posts)
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 08:58 PM Sep 2020

Republicans likely handed the Dems an electoral landslide

Sure, there are a lot of people screaming online right now how Trump can now steal the election with impunity and the Supreme Court is just going to say "yup, you're a dictator now, congratulations". However I think those people are....talking out of their asses, to put it politely. The situation is bad with the supreme Court but it's not "the United States is dead and Trump is now Hitler" bad.

Regardless, the election is still coming up despite some people's fears that it somehow isn't, and it seems that the Republicans have handed the Democrats a landslide victory. Really though if you're McConnell or Trump you don't have any good options here when it comes to the election. Trump has been staring down a very likely defeat for months if not years now and the Senate is looking increasingly likely to end up Democratic. They could be honorable (obviously was never going to happen), likely lose the white house and Senate, and the Dems replace Ginsberg. Or they can shit all over everything, ram someone through, and lose anyway. Logically they are going to go with ramming someone through. Their days are numbered regardless.

I have heard some people automatically assume that this whole situation somehow benefits Trump and the Republicans electorally. But that really doesn't make since. The biggest reason why, as Harry Enten pointed out on CNN today, Republicans voters are already maxed on enthusiasm and Republican candidates are largely maxed out on support from Republican voters. They have been playing to the base and only the base for so long, that well is already dry. They can't squeeze anything else out of their base. So replacing a liberal justice with a conservative one doesn't help Trump or the Republicans.

But it does massively piss of Democrats and liberals, 5 weeks before the election. Maybe even some independents and swing voters who see the Republicans making a morbid power grab and being dishonorable. Look at the $100 million the Dems raised in 1 day. Biden was already putting up big numbers against Trump even though Democratic "enthusiasm" was pretty mediocre. What the Republicans have done is turbocharged the Democratic base at the exact right time for them to slaughter the GOP at the polls.

I know pessimism seems to be reining supreme right now so it is hard to believe but the Democrats have very likely been handed an landslide victory in November, the likes of which we haven't seen in decades.

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Republicans likely handed the Dems an electoral landslide (Original Post) Dr. Jack Sep 2020 OP
You got that right. AleksS Sep 2020 #1
I sure mzmolly Sep 2020 #2
A lot more people are pro-choice so I agree. nt Quixote1818 Sep 2020 #3
You know the right is going to go overboard with celebrating the end of Roe V Wade Dr. Jack Sep 2020 #5
With a Dem Congress and President we can pass new laws to make up for it. Tommymac Sep 2020 #15
Don't Help Them Figure It Out!!!! COL Mustard Sep 2020 #55
Right on. n/t Tommymac Sep 2020 #57
I just read this....now it is even higher $100 million. BigmanPigman Sep 2020 #4
Money is very, very important Dr. Jack Sep 2020 #7
I think polls conducted yesterday BigmanPigman Sep 2020 #9
Here's a CNN article that conveys the same observation, and more Lasher Sep 2020 #29
And I believe Team tRump already spent most of their money... BigmanPigman Sep 2020 #34
You are right. Lasher Sep 2020 #39
If you add the Sept $$$ recently raised due to RBG BigmanPigman Sep 2020 #51
K&R!! Thank you for putting it so succinctly BMPM onetexan Sep 2020 #54
I doubt a landslide and I doubt this directly will move the needle much BUT I agree ... Statistical Sep 2020 #6
Also don't forget that Trump flushed most of his warchest down the toilet. backscatter712 Sep 2020 #8
"I could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue... czarjak Sep 2020 #10
Sounds like a plan. Vote. Joinfortmill Sep 2020 #11
This is the shit we were bracing for... 2naSalit Sep 2020 #12
I'm going to hang on to a little of that pessimism, okay? hamsterjill Sep 2020 #13
Yes. I was 100% sure Hillary would be our next President. I will not be duped again. C Moon Sep 2020 #30
Whatever purity Liberals/Lefties that are still out there may now go vote for Biden. Yavin4 Sep 2020 #14
Based on what I've seen of them on Twitter, nope. They're firmly entrenched in their Neema Sep 2020 #42
2018 broke almost entirely in our favor bucolic_frolic Sep 2020 #16
Also this jorgevlorgan Sep 2020 #17
I really think that's possible. SharonAnn Sep 2020 #18
I hope it boosts our turnout more than theirs IronLionZion Sep 2020 #19
Hopefully for the next 12 years Rice4VP Sep 2020 #20
Friend in Florida that was going to vote 3rd party now says voting for Biden srose58089 Sep 2020 #21
Let people freak out ... it'll drive the GOTV efforts relayerbob Sep 2020 #22
Everybody I've seen, heard, and talked to are totally jazzed to make this a landslide. They, and I, catbyte Sep 2020 #25
Mitch also might try to stall any Trump nomination as well because he knows that cstanleytech Sep 2020 #23
Will it be bigger sarisataka Sep 2020 #24
We Need To Spend Advertising Dollars DallasNE Sep 2020 #26
I agree with this assessment peggysue2 Sep 2020 #27
Dr. Jack.... Upthevibe Sep 2020 #28
I hope you're right about that sandensea Sep 2020 #31
Thanks for your optimism. We need that balance. ecstatic Sep 2020 #32
If they ram someone through, as you and I think they will, Qutzupalotl Sep 2020 #33
Let's hope so. calimary Sep 2020 #35
+1000000 crickets Sep 2020 #41
Believe it when I see it Sherman A1 Sep 2020 #36
You'll be seeing it BannonsLiver Sep 2020 #46
Yep. They are about to make an historic blunder. kentuck Sep 2020 #37
Let's do this election in honor of RBG Blue Owl Sep 2020 #38
Bookmarking. Either this will turn out to have been very true or very false intrepidity Sep 2020 #40
I feel this too Dem2 Sep 2020 #43
It will be an epic landslide DIVINEprividence Sep 2020 #44
Normally tiptonic Sep 2020 #45
If it is a landslide Dems better be ready to move fast and hard to erase Trump's legacy by any means Pepsidog Sep 2020 #47
We will keep up the momentum...nt List left Sep 2020 #48
I hope someone has been keeping a list, and wrap it into an EO to be signed Day One, and then OnDoutside Sep 2020 #49
Trump can only win by CHEATING samsingh Sep 2020 #50
What happens if we see long lines and hours long waits in certain areas as usual? Especially brewens Sep 2020 #52
K&R smirkymonkey Sep 2020 #53
Let's not sow the seeds of overconfidence here daily bucolic_frolic Sep 2020 #56

AleksS

(1,665 posts)
1. You got that right.
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 09:01 PM
Sep 2020

There used to be talk of an “enthusiasm gap” but money talks and 100 million dollars in one day tells me there’s a lot of Democratic enthusiasm right now.

Dr. Jack

(675 posts)
5. You know the right is going to go overboard with celebrating the end of Roe V Wade
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 09:09 PM
Sep 2020

They are going to talk about all of these programs and civil rights they can take away now, which is going to scare the shit out of people that until now have been only half paying attention.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
15. With a Dem Congress and President we can pass new laws to make up for it.
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 10:05 PM
Sep 2020

And appoint new Justices to uphold the new law.

I just don't understand the trumpists' rationale to rush to replace her. It is a LONG TERM losing strategy.

But hey, they're smarty-pants elitists so what do I know.

COL Mustard

(5,871 posts)
55. Don't Help Them Figure It Out!!!!
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 09:44 PM
Sep 2020

Seriously...when your opponent is digging himself into a hole, hand him a shovel!

BigmanPigman

(51,567 posts)
4. I just read this....now it is even higher $100 million.
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 09:08 PM
Sep 2020

In the 48 hrs following the announcement of @KamalaHarris as VP, the Biden campaign raised over $48M. Less than 24hrs after RBG left us, Democrats raised over $70M. Strong women change everything. They carry us through our worst + show us our best. If we win, it's because of them


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Dr. Jack

(675 posts)
7. Money is very, very important
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 09:13 PM
Sep 2020

But what is even more important is the new heights of democratic engagement it represents. The backlash to the Republicans in this election is going to be severe.

BigmanPigman

(51,567 posts)
9. I think polls conducted yesterday
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 09:16 PM
Sep 2020

or today showed that 51% of ALL voters say we should wait to be fair. That is what they say (not what they will actually do). We shall see.....

Lasher

(27,541 posts)
29. Here's a CNN article that conveys the same observation, and more
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 11:53 PM
Sep 2020
The Democrats' response to RBG's death should terrify Trump

(CNN)The full political impact of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg's death on Friday and Donald Trump's rush to fill her Supreme Court seat has yet to emerge. But if you don't think these events have the potential to energize Democrats to possibly record election turnouts in November, you probably haven't seen what's going in the Democratic base.

Here are two facts every discussion on this topic must include -- as I've heard firsthand from listeners who call my nightly SiriusXM radio show. One, how much Trump is utterly despised by Democrats. Two, how much that same base loves Ginsburg, a global icon affectionately referred to as RBG.

The Democratic response so far should terrify Trump and GOP Senate candidates up for election this year. Democrats have already begun channeling their pain at losing RBG into action, pouring a record-breaking number of donations to Democratic candidates and causes via the online fundraising platform ActBlue. The New York Times reported that from about 9 p.m. ET Friday -- about 90 minutes after RBG's death was announced -- ActBlue reported receiving $6.2 million in donations, the most ever in just one hour in the platform's 16-year history. That record was broken the following hour when $6.3 million was donated, more than $100,000 per minute.

Saturday, after Trump announced he would be nominating a candidate for RBG's seat this week, ActBlue raised another $70.6 million dollars from 1.2 million contributors. All told in the 28 hours after RBG's death, ActBlue reported receiving $100 million in donations for Democrats. (I can't find any reports of an upsurge in GOP fundraising since Friday.) For perspective, Trump and the Republican National Committee raised $210 million in the full month of August. Biden and the Democratic National Committee raised $364.5 million in the same period.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/20/opinions/democrats-response-to-ruth-bader-ginsburg-death-should-terrify-trump-obeidallah/index.html

BigmanPigman

(51,567 posts)
34. And I believe Team tRump already spent most of their money...
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 01:05 AM
Sep 2020

He always boasts about how good he is with money. Even his own father knew he was a "loser" with large sums.
I saw a chart showing Act Blue donations after death...zoom...through the roof!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214097165

BigmanPigman

(51,567 posts)
51. If you add the Sept $$$ recently raised due to RBG
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 06:25 PM
Sep 2020

Biden has about $1.1Billion now (up from $990 Million).

Statistical

(19,264 posts)
6. I doubt a landslide and I doubt this directly will move the needle much BUT I agree ...
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 09:12 PM
Sep 2020

on the money aspect. Democrats were already ahead this year in fundraising and this treachery supercharged that. Some of those Senate races are within the margin of error. Some extra funding right at the critical moment could flip a seat from 2% loss to a 1% win. Still I don't think it will be a landslide (I would be overjoyed to be wrong) although I am confident Biden will win and it is now more likely although not guaranteed that the Senate flips.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
8. Also don't forget that Trump flushed most of his warchest down the toilet.
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 09:15 PM
Sep 2020

Amazing how that happens when he surrounds himself with grifters like Parscale. Trump had a billion dollar warchest, but now that's almost gone, so the Trump campaign's been going dark in a lot of areas.

Though Trump's secret weapon is that all he has to do is be a bag of dicks in public, and our craven media will give him free air time.

2naSalit

(86,332 posts)
12. This is the shit we were bracing for...
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 09:53 PM
Sep 2020

So "it's" here now. Now we fight like we have never fought before because this could be the last real election if we don't fight hard.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
13. I'm going to hang on to a little of that pessimism, okay?
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 10:00 PM
Sep 2020

It’s how some of us work. We hope for the best but expect the worst. It’s a motivator. Much like the motivation for the fantastic donation amounts since we lost her.

I don’t dare for one minute allow myself to forget that Trump is going to cheat every way possible. His life is on the line. If he loses, he goes to jail or worse. When Putin has no further use for him, well, he’d better watch his tea! Because we all KNOW he’s compromised.

Early voting for me begins October 13th. I’ll be there.

C Moon

(12,209 posts)
30. Yes. I was 100% sure Hillary would be our next President. I will not be duped again.
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 11:54 PM
Sep 2020

There's always more than meets the eye, when it comes to the GOPutin.

Yavin4

(35,421 posts)
14. Whatever purity Liberals/Lefties that are still out there may now go vote for Biden.
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 10:03 PM
Sep 2020

Hopefully, they've seen the light.

Neema

(1,151 posts)
42. Based on what I've seen of them on Twitter, nope. They're firmly entrenched in their
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 04:49 PM
Sep 2020

temper tantrum.

bucolic_frolic

(43,062 posts)
16. 2018 broke almost entirely in our favor
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 10:07 PM
Sep 2020

but those last 11 or 12 House seats were tabulated over a number of days or even weeks and the margins were razor thin. I'd call it outperformance. And I'd be happy to see the same in 2020. I suspect results will be slow, which favors Trump's legal shenanigans, and razor thin.

What troubles me is all the Trump signs in hillbilly country. Some can't read the signs, but their pastor has them voting for the first time. That's why I think our margins will be razor thin. We will overperform. So will they.

Watershed elections, landslides are like pursuing the Stanley Cup. Don't mention it, don't ever touch it, until you've won.

Rice4VP

(1,235 posts)
20. Hopefully for the next 12 years
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 10:20 PM
Sep 2020

It took 2016 for people to wake up and realize..gee, this voting thing does matter

srose58089

(214 posts)
21. Friend in Florida that was going to vote 3rd party now says voting for Biden
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 10:25 PM
Sep 2020

This is just one person who I will identify as a middle aged white female rural Florida voter messaged me today on Facebook:

. . . not quoted . . .

"Also, RBG just pushed me over the edge - you will be happy to know... I will probably have to vote for Biden... I don't want to! I'm pretty scared of what Democrats will do with the government in this pandemic - mask mandates and forcing businesses to close - but I'm more afraid of the long term consequences of disrupting our Supreme Court. UGH honestly, I think we're totally FUCKED anyway!!!!"

I am not going to even try an analyze this statement and post it as received. It does give me hope as this woman was a tRump voter in 2016.

relayerbob

(6,537 posts)
22. Let people freak out ... it'll drive the GOTV efforts
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 10:34 PM
Sep 2020

If people think Dems are winning big, they may choose not to vote. Let them panic and drive the turnout. We need to have HUGE victory, up and down the ballot.

Even suggesting the possibility of a landslide victory is WAY premature, and counterproductive.

catbyte

(34,338 posts)
25. Everybody I've seen, heard, and talked to are totally jazzed to make this a landslide. They, and I,
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 11:06 PM
Sep 2020

want this election to hurt. We want this to be a historic landslide to humiliate that thing in the White House and all of his enablers. The talk of a landslide just makes me want it to work to make it happen all the more.

cstanleytech

(26,236 posts)
23. Mitch also might try to stall any Trump nomination as well because he knows that
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 10:45 PM
Sep 2020

regardless who the nomination is currently the court will remain a 5 conservative majority for atleast for awhile.
On the other hand if he pushes it there is alot of push right now on the left to enlarge the court to counter it and once a judge is on SCOTUS they cannot be removed as its a life appointment.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
26. We Need To Spend Advertising Dollars
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 11:10 PM
Sep 2020

Informing people by specific State how to request then cast a mail-in ballot because that is the one way to beat voter suppression efforts at the polls (ID laws, etc.) and that is why Republicans spend so much time yelling fraud. It defeats their efforts at voter suppression. And it needs to be done multi-media in order not to miss blocks of voters. Lacking that, November 3rd could be a long, disappointing night.

VOTE BY MAIL

VOTE BY MAIL

peggysue2

(10,823 posts)
27. I agree with this assessment
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 11:10 PM
Sep 2020

I think there will be a massive blowback to this power grab. Any enthusiasm gap that pundits have been yapping about is now fully null and void. Democrats were prepared to flood the polls, now they're flooding donation sites as well with well over $100 million donated to Act Blue alone since Justice Ginsburg's death and McConnell's early dance across her grave.

If there was an iota of doubt that every Republican up for election needs to be tossed out on their ear, that doubt or hesitation has vanished. McConnell and the rest of Trump's enablers have proven themselves to be unAmerican saboteurs whose only guiding principle is the continuation of their own power. Without shame and at any cost, even the destruction of the country.

Democratic voters and all other Americans who find this current display of utter arrogance despicable will be blasting their objections with their vote, their unified voice.

We will carry this moment.

Upthevibe

(8,016 posts)
28. Dr. Jack....
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 11:28 PM
Sep 2020

I definitely think you have some great points. Thank you for your well-thought out assessment....

sandensea

(21,604 posts)
31. I hope you're right about that
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 12:03 AM
Sep 2020

If every Republican on the Court were like Chief Justice Roberts, there would be no doubt that the Court in fact isn't "the United States is dead and Trump is now Hitler" bad.

But alas...

ecstatic

(32,653 posts)
32. Thanks for your optimism. We need that balance.
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 12:22 AM
Sep 2020

I won't feel comfortable until Biden is declared the winner.

Qutzupalotl

(14,289 posts)
33. If they ram someone through, as you and I think they will,
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 12:51 AM
Sep 2020

Republicans and Trump will have shot their wad (sorry for the crude visual).

Trump’s electoral value is in the potential to name a justice. Actually doing it, especially under these circumstances, with many on record opposing it in an election year, diminishes Trump’s value. His voters liked the idea of him doing it sometime in the future. Seeing it play out this way, and giving them the conservative court they dreamed of, means they don’t need him anymore. So I think it will somewhat depress his base’s turnout, and I think you’re right that it will light a fire under us.

 

DIVINEprividence

(443 posts)
44. It will be an epic landslide
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 05:42 PM
Sep 2020

Just impeach anyone the GOP jam through. Their overreach gives us all the political cover we need

tiptonic

(765 posts)
45. Normally
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 05:54 PM
Sep 2020

Normally I would agree with your theory but u left out, the Putin factor. He doesn't play fair and he doesn't have to. Please vote people.

OnDoutside

(19,948 posts)
49. I hope someone has been keeping a list, and wrap it into an EO to be signed Day One, and then
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 06:08 PM
Sep 2020

railroad massive change through. Being nice has got the Dems nowhere with the scum on the Right. The American people are crying out for change, and I believe will back President Biden. There is nothing to lose.

brewens

(13,542 posts)
52. What happens if we see long lines and hours long waits in certain areas as usual? Especially
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 06:32 PM
Sep 2020

if Trump has goons there harassing people, and maybe Proud Boy types as well. I don't think they're gonna take it again.

bucolic_frolic

(43,062 posts)
56. Let's not sow the seeds of overconfidence here daily
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 08:16 AM
Sep 2020

HRC had a lock on it. This is not the time to watch a golden sunset, it's time to work like we're 10 points behind. If you have time to think about the outcome, you're not working hard enough.

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