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FDR wanted to expand the court. Why wasn't he able to? nt (Original Post) LAS14 Sep 2020 OP
It's complicated. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2020 #1
Because the bill failed. BlueTsunami2018 Sep 2020 #2
The Democrats of 1937 weren't necessarily liberals. A HERETIC I AM Sep 2020 #8
Especially the right-wing Dixiecrats, who are now Republicans SharonAnn Sep 2020 #9
Congress has to pass a law to change the number of seats on SCOTUS. backscatter712 Sep 2020 #3
+1. The threat alone was effective. dalton99a Sep 2020 #7
And I just had a random idea for gaming the system, assuming Biden and Dems win. backscatter712 Sep 2020 #10
Because his own Democrats held it up and the Court began to rule more favorably for Roosevelt... W_HAMILTON Sep 2020 #4
I watched Ken Burns:The Roosevelts BigmanPigman Sep 2020 #5
Read this Tom Traubert Sep 2020 #6

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
3. Congress has to pass a law to change the number of seats on SCOTUS.
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 09:19 PM
Sep 2020

And they refused to do that for FDR.

Though what FDR did pull off was to make the threat of packing SCOTUS near enough that SCOTUS had the Switch in time that saved nine. In other words, Justice Owen Roberts (not today's John Roberts) switched the direction of his rulings, and stopped striking down New Deal programs, and that switch in time turned SCOTUS a bit more progressive for a few decades.

dalton99a

(81,455 posts)
7. +1. The threat alone was effective.
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 09:49 PM
Sep 2020

Basically it was "If you keep acting like obstructionist assholes, I WILL seek to dilute your power"

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
10. And I just had a random idea for gaming the system, assuming Biden and Dems win.
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 11:01 PM
Sep 2020

Once Biden takes office, and we have a majority in the Senate, we do it this way.

1. Nuke the filibuster so the GOP can't block.
2. First LOWER the number of justices in SCOTUS, say to 3. Give them a few days to pick which ones are thrown off the island (no, don't grandfather the existing justices, we're force-shrinking the court.) They'll probably throw off the liberal justices. But that's OK, because SCOTUS will only be three justices for one day. They'll have to throw a couple conservatives off the bus too.
3. After making the justices play Musical Chairs, NOW raise the number of justices to 15. Now you can really pack the fuck out of SCOTUS.

W_HAMILTON

(7,862 posts)
4. Because his own Democrats held it up and the Court began to rule more favorably for Roosevelt...
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 09:21 PM
Sep 2020

...which made the issue ultimately moot.

BigmanPigman

(51,584 posts)
5. I watched Ken Burns:The Roosevelts
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 09:23 PM
Sep 2020

and learned that he wanted to expand the courts and even his "lady friend" said not to do it...it would look bad "stacking the courts". However, in the long run, Roosevelt got the last laugh and was legally able to replace most of them during his 4 terms in office.

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