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I havent lived in the States since 1974, and my last visit there was in 1999. So I have to wonder if the country was full of stupid people all along, and I just didnt notice.
The people who are refusing to wear masks because Covid is a hoax WTF is up with that?
Do these people think that 200,000 Americans have faked their own deaths in order to make Trump look bad? Do they think that the families and friends of these people are feigning their grief and holding fake funerals? And what about the dead all over the world are they faking it as well?
I wonder how people that dumb function in everyday life. Do they hold down jobs and if so, what jobs can be performed by such dumb-asses? Are they sent to work each day with their names and addresses pinned to their clothing, so if they get lost on the way, they can be helped to their destination?
Are these people doing jobs that affect others like teaching kids, or scheduling doctors appointments, or working in labs that determine who is infected and whos not?
Maybe Im just remembering my fellow citizens as being somewhat informed, somewhat intelligent, somewhat less crazy than Im witnessing these days.
I feel like Trumpism has lowered the national IQ to a dangerous level. Facts dont matter, science doesnt matter and above all, the truth doesnt matter.
I am confident that Biden & the Dems will take over all three branches of government in January 2021 but The Stupidity will still be there. Just how does one deal with that portion of the citizenry that doesnt even have the common sense to come in out of the rain?
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)Trump is popular with that group.
King_Klonopin
(1,306 posts)they wouldn't have a clue as to what it meant.
elleng
(130,727 posts)who has enabled #### to be their worst.
THE question: 'Is the majority BETTER than the ####?'
NBachers
(17,080 posts)too stupid to stop letting the rain run down their nose and into their lungs.
"The Stupids Die"
vapor2
(1,239 posts)Personally, I think the stupid people have always been here and we just didn't notice. I think that we surround ourselves with critical thinkers. Clearly they don't see the covid deaths as real unless it has hit their family or friends. These worshipers parrot everything trumps says. I ran into an older white couple about a year ago and they believed that trump has given us many freedoms. I did not ask what the hell they meant by freedom because they started the conversation by asking what church I went to. I was rather caught off guard by these strangers and asked them if I needed to go to church to believe in a god. I do not think we will ever understand their disconnect and their loyalty to a grifter. These uninformed people see the absurd and fail to agree to disagree. This is my take and hope it helps somewhat?
pazzyanne
(6,543 posts)I did not notice this either until 8 years ago when I moved into a very red, rural area. As long as you talk about crops, they are very "normal" in their behaviors. You cannot reason with these people at all when you get them out of their comfort zone. One simple comment can elicit a verbal tirade of republican talking points. They do not use their brain to find personal reasons for anything they believe. Stupid and lazy.
jg10003
(974 posts)The lunatic fringe used to just sit in their basements and drink beer. Occasionally a dozen or so would find each other and make a little trouble and maybe a get a headline for a day. But thanks to Facebook, Twitter, etc. they are now able to organize to the point where politicians are forced to take notice.
MFM008
(19,803 posts)the inmates saw that a lunatic was warden so they took over the asylum and pretend to be sane.
(Wasn't this a movie? book? short story...all 3?)
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)King of Hearts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_Hearts_(1966_film)
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,488 posts)Expert on advertising say we transitioned from a "I need" society to a "I want" society beginning in the 1920s. The Great Depression and WWII reset that process for a while and gave America a huge dose of humility. However, post-WWII times placed us in a firestorm of consumerism. Most of that humility has been replaced by greed and "me-ism", or selfishness and self-centeredness.
My early education in the 50s and 60s concentrated on learning, reasoning and curiosity but that slowly transitioned to one focused mostly on just making money, the worship of acquiring "stuff", and a need to be constantly entertained.
There are many reasons for how that came about but it was driven by the right-wing and their control of our media and their building of a massive system of think tanks that have influenced political thinking and policy. They simultaneously created a hard left/right division among our people, using their ownership of media and ownership of Republican politicians.
During that time, they managed to influence the focus of our primary and secondary systems of education to concentrate on learning only for the benefit of a job or career and not for the sake of gaining a well-rounded open-minded education.
I'm not optimistic about our being able to reverse that decades-old baked-in cultural and educational deterioration.
Trump is just a very gross symptom of that decline.
KY rant done......
betsuni
(25,376 posts)back in the '70s. Then Republicans politicized the evangelicals, right-wing radio and then cable TV, finished it off with social media. I remember when home schooling had nothing to do with one's politics or religion. When there were just a few anti-vaccine people, and that was because their own children had health problems after being vaccinated.
But it isn't only people in the right-wing media bubble. It has infected the general population. It almost feels weird to be one of those with immunity to the conspiracy theory disease.
duforsure
(11,884 posts)Have been manipulated by a master con man who has a career of doing this to people, but now doing it on a much larger scale. Reports he studied Hitler doing this to people is very likely true as he uses similar tactics , and lies to pit people against people, and to divide. He creates conflicts , and chaos using issues he knows people are divided on , and incites them to be violent for him. He's programed them to accept his lies as the truth now to promote himself with, but as the truth gets out it exposes him and weakens his propaganda. Many are waking up to his doing this , and some haven't yet, but more will follow leaving him, even the hardcore ones. They're getting tired of all the lies , and deaths he's caused. That's why trump is losing the election with a huge landslide against him soon, his people are fed up with him and his lying and criminal behavior, and his threats against Americans, and them. He can't spin deaths.
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)of change during the Nixon Era especially with the emergence of Milton Friedman economics, the real sea change began with the election of Reagan.
RW evangelicals continued their stealthy and steady progress in those years with their racist and misogynist agenda. Newt Gingrich ushered the real crazies into Congress in 1994. Things worsened with the stolen election of 2000 and the advent of the feckless Bush II and the truly evil Cheney. At the time, I personally thought there could be no one worse.
Unfortunately, I was wrong. With the 2016 election, the worst possible candidate ever at the worst possible time came into his own, by nefarious means and the stupidity of too many who should have known better.
It has only been since Nov 2016 that I have truly feared for my nation. The flaws and fragility in our version of "democracy" have NEVER been so evident.
*****
I too have resided outside the US, first for comparatively short periods (1964-1970 and 1980-82) in the "developing world," and since 1994 in Switzerland, although I return to the US annually and still pay taxes in MD as well. I am still a US citizen only and have not yet opted for Swiss dual nationality, although I have long been eligible to do so.
I literally weep for my country and am doing everything in my power from here to elect Dems in 2020. Like you, I am optimistic about the Nov election - but still wary of the many variables, the GOP-enabling M$M, and the ever-present Stupidity and Selfishness of too many of my fellow citizens that I have seen repeatedly demonstrated.
I received my MD absentee ballot over the weekend. I will complete it today and mail it tomorrow because today is a federal holiday here and I always take my ballot to the post office in person to ensure that I have the correct postage.
Naturally, I will be voting Biden-Harris and straight ticket BLUE.
Raine
(30,540 posts)and put him in twice Raygun made trump possible!
diverdownjt
(701 posts)We deal with them very carefully....at work is the hardest. They function normally in society but some cause
trouble everywhere they go. They walk and talk like they own the place and say anything they want...and if
you respond in kind the boss usually stops it there, unless he agrees, with them, then you are screwed.
They always get their way and I always got in trouble. NO ONE ever tells them NOT to say the hurtful shit
they say. only what I say in response.
Nance...That's how it goes down now...we deal with them very carefully.
bigtree
(85,974 posts)Last edited Mon Sep 21, 2020, 06:52 AM - Edit history (1)
...more than they believe it's a good lie and that it's the way politics really works; just two sides lying to each other.
Sure, their reasoning is as stupid as it can be, but consider the source, consider where they got the script, and all becomes clear. It is, to an extent, a measure of how stupid they are to think anyone is going to buy their shit, and they don't appear smart enough to come up with most of the BIG LIES that make up the republican agenda and strategy these days.
It's to be expected because, after all, there really isn't a positive argument in favor of Trump, and they've gone back on whatever they called principle for decades, burning through their contradictions and hypocrisy in record time. They're completely undone, so their alternate reality staves off humiliation, for now.
Link to tweet
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)...those who they perceive look down on them for whatever reason they imagine where they live, what they do, their education... This is owning the libs by supporting the man the libs cant stand. Ultimate revenge politics. (T-shirts: Piss off a lib. Reelect Trump.)
Theyre angry too, feel marginalized, and are scared at societal changes that are happening too fast. They see Trump as speaking for them, having all the answers, but what they dont see is that Trump cares even less for them than these libs. do. Theyre only a means to an end for him.
Each side is using the other for their own selfish reasons, but Trump is much better at this game than they can ever be, and were all paying the price them especially. At one time these misguided souls deserved pity, but not anymore. They are just as much to blame for where we are as Trump himself. They deserve whatever they get but I dont, my family doesnt, the people posting here dont. To me these supporters have rightly earned whatever contempt they think theyre fighting against.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)What are we going to do about all of these really stupid, often bigoted, mouthbreathers?
Then Friday, The Notorious RBG died and I realized I just don't care. We are going to run over those mouthbreathers and if we can get our side to be as ruthless (pun not intended) as they need to be, we will be able to ignore those pissants.
I get that I am talking about fellow humans but they are humans behaving badly and it needs to stop. Now.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)have been very liberal, so the dumbing down has not been as apparent to me on a personal level if I had not been not been paying attention to politics. FYI, those cities are Boston, San Francisco, New York and Boston again.
I feel personally fortunate too live where I do, but even we have our low IQ redneck areas here although they tend not to be the majority and they pretty much don't dare advertise themselves or their Trumpism in these parts.
Even so, I have been thinking more and more about leaving this country if I could find a way to support myself until retirement. I have the ability to apply for citizenship in a certain European country, but I am worried about how difficult it would be for me since English is the only language I speak fluently.
If Trump wins and things get really bad, I am wondering if other English speaking nations would take some of us in as refugees. I honestly don't think that many of us will be safe here if he wins another four years.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)is that ignorance, sub-literacy and a rejection of science has become both a cottage industry as well as a point of pride.
In the past, no one really took pride in being a dumb-ass. These days, hate radio and for-profit media relies on it, and thus engenders its proliferation. Now we have entire demographics pretending to be oppressed because their stupidity is mocked for what it is, and a media telling them who to hate, why they're to be hated, and how better to hate them.
A leading indicator of this demographic is the self-righteous cry "I have a right to my opinion!!!"
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)Hekate
(90,552 posts)Honest to gods I do not know where we go from here.
moondust
(19,958 posts)Some may remember that Alvin Toffler published a book in 1970 called "Future Shock." His idea was basically that the rise of more and more media and the pace of change were creating "information overload" that some people couldn't deal with. It came out in 1970, and it envisioned a world in which rapid change made people go insane.
Twenty years later came the Internet and a few years after that Fox News. Information--and misinformation--overload on steroids. Stormfront, Breitbart, etc. made it possible for the KKK and other wackos to organize and spread their propaganda from their basements without any "adult" filters. I suspect many overloaded brains couldn't handle all the "chaos" and withdrew to the familiar bubble of Fox, Limbaugh, Breitbart, etc., that generally shared and reinforced their white male supremacist views. By 2016 a dictatorial white supremacist snake oil salesman was a perfect fit for a thoroughly brainwashed crowd of incurious, hateful bigots with a gun fetish.
Not since the Cold War and nuclear arms race have I pondered the notion that the human race may not be smart enough to avoid extinction.