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NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 02:37 AM Sep 2020

Just Wonderin'

I haven’t lived in the States since 1974, and my last visit there was in 1999. So I have to wonder if the country was full of stupid people all along, and I just didn’t notice.

The people who are refusing to wear masks because Covid is a ‘hoax’ – WTF is up with that?

Do these people think that 200,000 Americans have faked their own deaths in order to “make Trump look bad”? Do they think that the families and friends of these people are feigning their grief and holding ‘fake’ funerals? And what about the dead all over the world – are they ‘faking it’ as well?

I wonder how people that dumb function in everyday life. Do they hold down jobs – and if so, what jobs can be performed by such dumb-asses? Are they sent to work each day with their names and addresses pinned to their clothing, so if they get lost on the way, they can be helped to their destination?

Are these people doing jobs that affect others – like teaching kids, or scheduling doctors’ appointments, or working in labs that determine who is infected and who’s not?

Maybe I’m just remembering my fellow citizens as being somewhat informed, somewhat intelligent, somewhat less crazy than I’m witnessing these days.

I feel like Trumpism has lowered the national IQ to a dangerous level. Facts don’t matter, science doesn’t matter – and above all, the truth doesn’t matter.

I am confident that Biden & the Dems will take over all three branches of government in January 2021 – but The Stupidity will still be there. Just how does one deal with that portion of the citizenry that doesn’t even have the common sense to come in out of the rain?

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Just Wonderin' (Original Post) NanceGreggs Sep 2020 OP
Half the people are below average. iemitsu Sep 2020 #1
Can we refer to them as the "left of the mean" group ? King_Klonopin Sep 2020 #3
'WTF is up with that?' trump, elleng Sep 2020 #2
I'm waiting for them to look up into the sky to see what the rain is, and then drown because they're NBachers Sep 2020 #4
You have some good questions vapor2 Sep 2020 #5
Stupid and lazy! pazzyanne Sep 2020 #8
It's the internet. The stupid people were always there, but now they can organize. jg10003 Sep 2020 #6
This. nt pazzyanne Sep 2020 #9
yes MFM008 Sep 2020 #7
It was definitely a film. BlueMTexpat Sep 2020 #14
Our deterioration began long before tRump. KY_EnviroGuy Sep 2020 #10
The stupid weren't as organized as they are now, they had newsletters at most betsuni Sep 2020 #11
These people who've been conned and programed to think this way duforsure Sep 2020 #12
While there were inklings BlueMTexpat Sep 2020 #13
If they weren't stupid 🥴 they wouldn't have put in B grade movie actor Raygun Raine Sep 2020 #15
Let's answer that question... diverdownjt Sep 2020 #16
I don't think most of them believe their nonsense bigtree Sep 2020 #17
I think for some Trump is a weapon to use against their "betters"... AngryOldDem Sep 2020 #18
Nance, until Friday, this is what occupied my mind tavalon Sep 2020 #19
Since graduating from college, I have only lived in three major US cities, all of which smirkymonkey Sep 2020 #20
We've always had the idiot demographic, but I think the relevant difference in the here and now LanternWaste Sep 2020 #21
28th in education and 40 percent of the country is racist. sarcasmo Sep 2020 #22
Nance, I am 73 next week & this is the worst in my entire life Hekate Sep 2020 #23
Internet & Fox News moondust Sep 2020 #24

elleng

(130,727 posts)
2. 'WTF is up with that?' trump,
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 02:47 AM
Sep 2020

who has enabled #### to be their worst.

THE question: 'Is the majority BETTER than the ####?'

NBachers

(17,080 posts)
4. I'm waiting for them to look up into the sky to see what the rain is, and then drown because they're
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 02:52 AM
Sep 2020

too stupid to stop letting the rain run down their nose and into their lungs.

"The Stupids Die"

vapor2

(1,239 posts)
5. You have some good questions
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 02:54 AM
Sep 2020

Personally, I think the stupid people have always been here and we just didn't notice. I think that we surround ourselves with critical thinkers. Clearly they don't see the covid deaths as real unless it has hit their family or friends. These worshipers parrot everything trumps says. I ran into an older white couple about a year ago and they believed that trump has given us many freedoms. I did not ask what the hell they meant by freedom because they started the conversation by asking what church I went to. I was rather caught off guard by these strangers and asked them if I needed to go to church to believe in a god. I do not think we will ever understand their disconnect and their loyalty to a grifter. These uninformed people see the absurd and fail to agree to disagree. This is my take and hope it helps somewhat?

pazzyanne

(6,543 posts)
8. Stupid and lazy!
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 03:45 AM
Sep 2020

I did not notice this either until 8 years ago when I moved into a very red, rural area. As long as you talk about crops, they are very "normal" in their behaviors. You cannot reason with these people at all when you get them out of their comfort zone. One simple comment can elicit a verbal tirade of republican talking points. They do not use their brain to find personal reasons for anything they believe. Stupid and lazy.

jg10003

(974 posts)
6. It's the internet. The stupid people were always there, but now they can organize.
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 03:06 AM
Sep 2020

The lunatic fringe used to just sit in their basements and drink beer. Occasionally a dozen or so would find each other and make a little trouble and maybe a get a headline for a day. But thanks to Facebook, Twitter, etc. they are now able to organize to the point where politicians are forced to take notice.

MFM008

(19,803 posts)
7. yes
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 03:33 AM
Sep 2020

the inmates saw that a lunatic was warden so they took over the asylum and pretend to be sane.
(Wasn't this a movie? book? short story...all 3?)

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
10. Our deterioration began long before tRump.
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 03:52 AM
Sep 2020

Expert on advertising say we transitioned from a "I need" society to a "I want" society beginning in the 1920s. The Great Depression and WWII reset that process for a while and gave America a huge dose of humility. However, post-WWII times placed us in a firestorm of consumerism. Most of that humility has been replaced by greed and "me-ism", or selfishness and self-centeredness.

My early education in the 50s and 60s concentrated on learning, reasoning and curiosity but that slowly transitioned to one focused mostly on just making money, the worship of acquiring "stuff", and a need to be constantly entertained.

There are many reasons for how that came about but it was driven by the right-wing and their control of our media and their building of a massive system of think tanks that have influenced political thinking and policy. They simultaneously created a hard left/right division among our people, using their ownership of media and ownership of Republican politicians.

During that time, they managed to influence the focus of our primary and secondary systems of education to concentrate on learning only for the benefit of a job or career and not for the sake of gaining a well-rounded open-minded education.

I'm not optimistic about our being able to reverse that decades-old baked-in cultural and educational deterioration.

Trump is just a very gross symptom of that decline.

KY rant done......

betsuni

(25,376 posts)
11. The stupid weren't as organized as they are now, they had newsletters at most
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 03:56 AM
Sep 2020

back in the '70s. Then Republicans politicized the evangelicals, right-wing radio and then cable TV, finished it off with social media. I remember when home schooling had nothing to do with one's politics or religion. When there were just a few anti-vaccine people, and that was because their own children had health problems after being vaccinated.

But it isn't only people in the right-wing media bubble. It has infected the general population. It almost feels weird to be one of those with immunity to the conspiracy theory disease.

duforsure

(11,884 posts)
12. These people who've been conned and programed to think this way
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 03:59 AM
Sep 2020

Have been manipulated by a master con man who has a career of doing this to people, but now doing it on a much larger scale. Reports he studied Hitler doing this to people is very likely true as he uses similar tactics , and lies to pit people against people, and to divide. He creates conflicts , and chaos using issues he knows people are divided on , and incites them to be violent for him. He's programed them to accept his lies as the truth now to promote himself with, but as the truth gets out it exposes him and weakens his propaganda. Many are waking up to his doing this , and some haven't yet, but more will follow leaving him, even the hardcore ones. They're getting tired of all the lies , and deaths he's caused. That's why trump is losing the election with a huge landslide against him soon, his people are fed up with him and his lying and criminal behavior, and his threats against Americans, and them. He can't spin deaths.

BlueMTexpat

(15,365 posts)
13. While there were inklings
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 04:34 AM
Sep 2020

of change during the Nixon Era especially with the emergence of Milton Friedman economics, the real sea change began with the election of Reagan.

RW evangelicals continued their stealthy and steady progress in those years with their racist and misogynist agenda. Newt Gingrich ushered the real crazies into Congress in 1994. Things worsened with the stolen election of 2000 and the advent of the feckless Bush II and the truly evil Cheney. At the time, I personally thought there could be no one worse.

Unfortunately, I was wrong. With the 2016 election, the worst possible candidate ever at the worst possible time came into his own, by nefarious means and the stupidity of too many who should have known better.

It has only been since Nov 2016 that I have truly feared for my nation. The flaws and fragility in our version of "democracy" have NEVER been so evident.

*****
I too have resided outside the US, first for comparatively short periods (1964-1970 and 1980-82) in the "developing world," and since 1994 in Switzerland, although I return to the US annually and still pay taxes in MD as well. I am still a US citizen only and have not yet opted for Swiss dual nationality, although I have long been eligible to do so.

I literally weep for my country and am doing everything in my power from here to elect Dems in 2020. Like you, I am optimistic about the Nov election - but still wary of the many variables, the GOP-enabling M$M, and the ever-present Stupidity and Selfishness of too many of my fellow citizens that I have seen repeatedly demonstrated.

I received my MD absentee ballot over the weekend. I will complete it today and mail it tomorrow because today is a federal holiday here and I always take my ballot to the post office in person to ensure that I have the correct postage.

Naturally, I will be voting Biden-Harris and straight ticket BLUE.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
15. If they weren't stupid 🥴 they wouldn't have put in B grade movie actor Raygun
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 04:44 AM
Sep 2020

and put him in twice Raygun made trump possible!

diverdownjt

(701 posts)
16. Let's answer that question...
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 05:36 AM
Sep 2020

We deal with them very carefully....at work is the hardest. They function normally in society but some cause
trouble everywhere they go. They walk and talk like they own the place and say anything they want...and if
you respond in kind the boss usually stops it there, unless he agrees, with them, then you are screwed.
They always get their way and I always got in trouble. NO ONE ever tells them NOT to say the hurtful shit
they say. only what I say in response.

Nance...That's how it goes down now...we deal with them very carefully.

bigtree

(85,974 posts)
17. I don't think most of them believe their nonsense
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 05:52 AM
Sep 2020

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...more than they believe it's a good lie and that it's the way politics really works; just two sides lying to each other.

Sure, their reasoning is as stupid as it can be, but consider the source, consider where they got the script, and all becomes clear. It is, to an extent, a measure of how stupid they are to think anyone is going to buy their shit, and they don't appear smart enough to come up with most of the BIG LIES that make up the republican agenda and strategy these days.

It's to be expected because, after all, there really isn't a positive argument in favor of Trump, and they've gone back on whatever they called principle for decades, burning through their contradictions and hypocrisy in record time. They're completely undone, so their alternate reality staves off humiliation, for now.


AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
18. I think for some Trump is a weapon to use against their "betters"...
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 06:03 AM
Sep 2020

...those who they perceive “look down” on them for whatever reason they imagine — where they live, what they do, their education... This is “owning” the “libs” by supporting the man the “libs” can’t stand. Ultimate revenge politics. (T-shirts: Piss off a lib. Reelect Trump.)

They’re angry too, feel marginalized, and are scared at societal changes that are happening too fast. They see Trump as speaking for them, having all the answers, but what they don’t see is that Trump cares even less for them than these “libs.” do. They’re only a means to an end for him.

Each side is using the other for their own selfish reasons, but Trump is much better at this game than they can ever be, and we’re all paying the price — them especially. At one time these misguided souls deserved pity, but not anymore. They are just as much to blame for where we are as Trump himself. They deserve whatever they get — but I don’t, my family doesn’t, the people posting here don’t. To me these “supporters” have rightly earned whatever contempt they think they’re fighting against.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
19. Nance, until Friday, this is what occupied my mind
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 07:17 PM
Sep 2020

What are we going to do about all of these really stupid, often bigoted, mouthbreathers?

Then Friday, The Notorious RBG died and I realized I just don't care. We are going to run over those mouthbreathers and if we can get our side to be as ruthless (pun not intended) as they need to be, we will be able to ignore those pissants.

I get that I am talking about fellow humans but they are humans behaving badly and it needs to stop. Now.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
20. Since graduating from college, I have only lived in three major US cities, all of which
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 07:35 PM
Sep 2020

have been very liberal, so the dumbing down has not been as apparent to me on a personal level if I had not been not been paying attention to politics. FYI, those cities are Boston, San Francisco, New York and Boston again.

I feel personally fortunate too live where I do, but even we have our low IQ redneck areas here although they tend not to be the majority and they pretty much don't dare advertise themselves or their Trumpism in these parts.

Even so, I have been thinking more and more about leaving this country if I could find a way to support myself until retirement. I have the ability to apply for citizenship in a certain European country, but I am worried about how difficult it would be for me since English is the only language I speak fluently.

If Trump wins and things get really bad, I am wondering if other English speaking nations would take some of us in as refugees. I honestly don't think that many of us will be safe here if he wins another four years.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
21. We've always had the idiot demographic, but I think the relevant difference in the here and now
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 07:43 PM
Sep 2020

is that ignorance, sub-literacy and a rejection of science has become both a cottage industry as well as a point of pride.

In the past, no one really took pride in being a dumb-ass. These days, hate radio and for-profit media relies on it, and thus engenders its proliferation. Now we have entire demographics pretending to be oppressed because their stupidity is mocked for what it is, and a media telling them who to hate, why they're to be hated, and how better to hate them.

A leading indicator of this demographic is the self-righteous cry "I have a right to my opinion!!!"

Hekate

(90,552 posts)
23. Nance, I am 73 next week & this is the worst in my entire life
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 08:46 PM
Sep 2020

Honest to gods I do not know where we go from here.

moondust

(19,958 posts)
24. Internet & Fox News
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 08:56 PM
Sep 2020

Some may remember that Alvin Toffler published a book in 1970 called "Future Shock." His idea was basically that the rise of more and more media and the pace of change were creating "information overload" that some people couldn't deal with. It came out in 1970, and it envisioned a world in which rapid change made people go insane.

Twenty years later came the Internet and a few years after that Fox News. Information--and misinformation--overload on steroids. Stormfront, Breitbart, etc. made it possible for the KKK and other wackos to organize and spread their propaganda from their basements without any "adult" filters. I suspect many overloaded brains couldn't handle all the "chaos" and withdrew to the familiar bubble of Fox, Limbaugh, Breitbart, etc., that generally shared and reinforced their white male supremacist views. By 2016 a dictatorial white supremacist snake oil salesman was a perfect fit for a thoroughly brainwashed crowd of incurious, hateful bigots with a gun fetish.

Not since the Cold War and nuclear arms race have I pondered the notion that the human race may not be smart enough to avoid extinction.

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