Question regarding the end of the ACA:

[boguspotus]

So, once the SC gets rid of Obamacare - is the only solution Medicare for all?

[FBaggins]

1. SCOTUS rulings rarely come with "solutions"

If the ACA gets thrown out... we're back to the bad old days.

If Democrats regain power, "Medicare for all" would not be the only possible solution. You could re-pass the ACA with the individual mandate restored. The current ACA appeal is not much more than a question of whether ACA remains constitutional without it.

[Wellstone ruled]

2. This seems the best solution

and can be drafted and put in place within weeks. Mostly just language changes made to existing Law as well as a funding formula. And that will be a no brainier with the House in Dem Hands.

[Drunken Irishman]

3. Exactly. Which is why we need the Senate & WH.

[Wellstone ruled]

4. Just saw a piece on Raw Story

claiming the Polling seems steady towards Biden at +7-10% with the weakest States at +3. Usually follow Charlie Cook's analysis. Anyone who does a "Ground Pounder" type of surveys pick up on the little nuisances that are game changing events or happening in real time.

Expanding the Supreme will no doubt happen.

[Demsrule86]

11. How may people will die before this happens? It is not perilous process...

[Demsrule86]

13. BS ...no way we create a new system with a 6-3 GOP court...and it took two years to implement

the ACA...this would be more complicated...face it...we lose the ACA. There will be no Medicare for all replacement...we might might be able to find a way to restore the ACA by putting the mandate back which takes away the issue the courts are looking at in a new and improved ACA while we work on the courts.

[LizBeth]

6. This is what concerns me most, ACA. So, if ACA is struck down, you see an easy correction to this

that should not take long to reimplement? That would make me feel a little better. This is if we get the senate and keep house.

[FBaggins]

7. No. No "easy" correction.

But a simple one.

As you say... IF we retake control of Congress and the White House and don't get blocked by filibuster (as nearly happened the first time ACA was enacted).

[Demsrule86]

9. And what is to stop the 6-3 court from stopping any plan? And what about now during a pandemic

when millions will lose their insurance?

[Demsrule86]

10. No I don't see an easy solution.

[Demsrule86]

14. That is the best solution and add a public option too...We have the

infrastructure in place and people favor it. Medicare for all would be so tough that I expect we would get tossed out in 22..with all the stuff that went wrong.

[OnDoutside]

23. Plus a Public Option.

[Demsrule86]

8. No, we will never get Medicare for all...period. Those here hoping for the ACA to fail

so that Medicare for all can be ushered in are completely clueless. It won't happen. The courts will see to that...and how many will die...fuck the green$ left but her emails who led us to this nightmare...they have blood on their hands. The Dems will have to get a new plan out...and maybe pack the courts first.

[Bettie]

12. I think that at that point

universal health care is the only option forward

[Demsrule86]

15. It is not possible. We have two years to get a system up and working...and the

only option is to put the ACA back in place as we have infrastructure and add a public option so everyone has coverage (improved version with subsidies)...put back the mandate that stops the courts hopefully. And please remember that there are real people who will die if this isn't fixed.

[Bettie]

16. There are real people who still die

even with the ACA due to the cost of copays and out of pocket maximums.

"It is not possible" I hear that all the time. Apparently, even if we win it all, nothing is possible, nothing can improve. Why? Blue Dogs? Because no one want anything to improve? Because those who run things like it this way? Why is nothing possible? Ever?

If the ACA is struck down, how will putting it back in place help? They will simply strike it down again. The mandate was struck down, so that won't work either, especially with a right wing SCOTUS.

[Demsrule86]

17. Speed is of the essence and the issues mentioned can be addressed...but to start from scratch would

take too much time...and we don't have that time. Unless we get something up and running, we will be out in 22 and the GOP takes over. We have an existing system with the ACA...no to tilting at windmills which is how I view Medicare for all. We can use a public option and allow anyone who wants it to sign up. This is how we get universal coverage.

[Yavin4]

18. This new SCOTUS will strike down ANYTHING the Dems want to do to give healthcare to people

ACA or Medicare for All. It does not matter. It will get struck down because we are a base, primitive people who believe that religious liberties are more important than life saving science.

[Bettie]

19. How does it not get overturned by the newly super-right wing SCOTUS?

It will. And it will happen fast.

[Demsrule86]

20. We put the mandate back and make a few other changes.

How does as brand new Medicare for all plan not get knocked down even more easily by the court.

[Bettie]

21. The mandate was knocked down first

Medicare for all is easier, because Medicare is an existing program.

Making the enrollment age zero and moving funding around is less work than creating a new program.

BUT as you (and others) keep saying: nothing is possible, even if we hold the house, senate, and white house. So, we'll end up with really expensive insurance for those who can pay and death for those who can't. Just as we always have.

We have "good" insurance (my family) through an employer. It covers pretty much nothing until we, as a family, have paid over 5k out of pocket. This year we did that, now they are slow walking payments (so we have to come up with the cash anyway) or denying coverage for a million and seven reasons. YAY private insurance, right?

If nothing will ever change. If it is impossible to ever work toward anything better what is the fucking point?

[aidbo]

22. No, Bernie Sanders and people on the left are for M4All and so the Democrats will fight it.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

24. The solution is the tremendous plan Trump will have ready in two weeks

, but he'll keep putting it off for another two weeks every two weeks and nothing will ever happen.