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Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 01:10 PM Sep 2020

Biden refusing to say if he'd expand the courts is basically him saying it.

No need to show your cards but if he didn't support it, he'd say as much. But he didn't.

He said he won't answer it. It's a smart move. He comes out and says he'll do it and it muddles things.

Get elected and, if they have the votes, do it.

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Biden refusing to say if he'd expand the courts is basically him saying it. (Original Post) Drunken Irishman Sep 2020 OP
Yay wryter2000 Sep 2020 #1
I agree - very good news and Biden is doing it right. lagomorph777 Sep 2020 #13
Yeah Biden (and honestly all Democrats) should stay out of it until after the election. Statistical Sep 2020 #2
Never for one second did I believe McConnell would honor his previous statements... Moostache Sep 2020 #5
If Franklin Roosevelt couldn't get it done Frasier Balzov Sep 2020 #3
FDR only stopped because there was a deal to get justices to not throw out the new deal jorgevlorgan Sep 2020 #10
The circumstances were vastly different. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2020 #12
The threat of packing motivated FDR's SCOTUS to cooperate. lagomorph777 Sep 2020 #16
I must have missed the part where it's 1942 BannonsLiver Sep 2020 #18
You're right. It was easier to get it done back then. Frasier Balzov Sep 2020 #21
This x1000 Doremus Sep 2020 #24
VP Biden understands what is at stake and the need to not present the RePutinicans a talking point. NoMoreRepugs Sep 2020 #4
It really isn't up to him; that has to be done by Congress. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2020 #6
That's only technically true... Drunken Irishman Sep 2020 #8
Absolutely, plenty of time following the election. Thekaspervote Sep 2020 #7
He has previously said that he opposes the idea FBaggins Sep 2020 #9
Yes. So has Bernie. I'm guessing they've changed their minds. Drunken Irishman Sep 2020 #11
Nothing is off the table. C_U_L8R Sep 2020 #14
Biden has sense not to throw down the gauntlet like Lindsay Graham's, "we're going push it through Hoyt Sep 2020 #15
Its a moot point if we do not take back the Senate!! aeromanKC Sep 2020 #17
None of that needs to be the focus until and unless we win the election still_one Sep 2020 #19
When asked, his reply should always be, "We'll see what happens." GoCubsGo Sep 2020 #20
Good with this kwolf68 Sep 2020 #22
Not answering is a smart move, but I wouldn't interpret it as tacit support Azathoth Sep 2020 #23
Good point PatSeg Sep 2020 #25
Biden is Playing This Just Right. Too Bad Di Fi Didn't STFU. She's Old Enough to Know Better. Indykatie Sep 2020 #26

Statistical

(19,264 posts)
2. Yeah Biden (and honestly all Democrats) should stay out of it until after the election.
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 01:12 PM
Sep 2020

If Biden doesn't win it is moot. If we don't flip the senate it is moot. No sense in talking about what might happen. It makes even less sense to threaten something you might not be able to do. It comes across as weak and pathetic. Something little kids do.

If you can do it then do it. Don't talk about it. don't threaten it. Just do it. Look at Moscow Mitch. Did he warn in advance that he was going to block Garland? Did he warn in advance that he was going to reverse himself in 2020? Of course not. What would be the point.
He had no idea what the future held. He has no idea that he would be in a position to make either of these things happen. When he was given power he took it and used it.

Mitch is a disgusting human being but he plays the game to win. He has done more than anyone else to redden the country.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
5. Never for one second did I believe McConnell would honor his previous statements...
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 01:15 PM
Sep 2020

EVER.

He is another loathsome piece of shit, but WORSE than the imbecile in the Oval Office. McConnell KNOWS what he is doing and just how hypocritical and duplicitous it is...he simply does not care at all. Trump is simply stumbling around like a drunk after last call and anything he happens to do is purely accidental or intended to benefit him alone and if someone else is helped it is utterly unintended.

jorgevlorgan

(8,291 posts)
10. FDR only stopped because there was a deal to get justices to not throw out the new deal
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 01:20 PM
Sep 2020

If they didn't get that, he would've easily stacked the court. At this point, all precedent has been thrown out and any good faith is dead. A stacked court is all but certain with Dems controlling the house, Senate and president

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,681 posts)
12. The circumstances were vastly different.
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 01:21 PM
Sep 2020

FDR bungled the plan politically, and it was almost universally viewed as nothing more than a way for him to get his New Deal legislation from being overturned. But when the court started accepting the legislation the issue became moot.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
16. The threat of packing motivated FDR's SCOTUS to cooperate.
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 01:26 PM
Sep 2020

Unlikely to work this time; we'll have to actually execute the plan.

Frasier Balzov

(2,646 posts)
21. You're right. It was easier to get it done back then.
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 01:48 PM
Sep 2020

But others here are enlightening me that the threat alone was enough to evoke flexibility on the part of those Justices at the time.

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
24. This x1000
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 01:55 PM
Sep 2020

If we're so willing to throw up our hands now, without even putting up a fight, why would we expect them to be willing to take on a humongous fight in expanding the court?

It's ridiculous to even think they would. They might consider writing some letters but then again, probably not.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,681 posts)
6. It really isn't up to him; that has to be done by Congress.
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 01:16 PM
Sep 2020

If it passes Congress all he has to do is sign the bill. There's no reason for him to say anything at this point.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
8. That's only technically true...
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 01:20 PM
Sep 2020

But we know that the president often dictates policy. The ACA was Obama's idea but it was up to the congress to pass it. Had Obama refused to push for healthcare reform, they wouldn't have advanced any bill in the House.

If Biden supports it, and wants a bill introduced, it'll be introduced.

Thekaspervote

(32,757 posts)
7. Absolutely, plenty of time following the election.
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 01:19 PM
Sep 2020

He knows that with an oppressive 6-3 conservative court that anything..any good law we pass will be subject to overthrow. What’s the good in that?

He’ll go there when the time is right...not now

FBaggins

(26,731 posts)
9. He has previously said that he opposes the idea
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 01:20 PM
Sep 2020

"I would not get into court packing. We (add) three justices. Next time around, we lose control, they add three justices. We begin to lose any credibility the court has at all.”

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
15. Biden has sense not to throw down the gauntlet like Lindsay Graham's, "we're going push it through
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 01:25 PM
Sep 2020

whether you like it or not." Get's us nowhere.

aeromanKC

(3,322 posts)
17. Its a moot point if we do not take back the Senate!!
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 01:29 PM
Sep 2020

GOTV like your life your freedoms your Healthcare the Constitution and the furure of America depends on it!!!!!

GoCubsGo

(32,080 posts)
20. When asked, his reply should always be, "We'll see what happens."
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 01:45 PM
Sep 2020

The same goes for every attempt at forcing him to lay out his cards on anything. If the press won't call out Trump on that kind of shit, then Biden needs to adopt it, as well, if only to point out their hypocrisy. Sauce, goose, gander...

kwolf68

(7,365 posts)
22. Good with this
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 01:50 PM
Sep 2020

They are probably mulling over a lot of things. Right now Biden needs to focus on finishing the campaign strong.

Azathoth

(4,607 posts)
23. Not answering is a smart move, but I wouldn't interpret it as tacit support
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 01:54 PM
Sep 2020

I doubt Biden is ready to go after the GOP in any radical, norm-changing sense. He's a lifelong Washington institutionalist.

But at least he's not following the traditional Democratic leadership strategy of preemptively taking things off the table before we even cross swords with the GOP.

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