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jorgevlorgan

(8,291 posts)
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 02:11 PM Sep 2020

Could the pennsylvania mail ballots be counted as literacy tests?

They require carefully following written instructions and if those instructions are not perfectly followed, your vote will not count. Could that be a violation of the civil rights act banning literacy tests? It is conceivable that the naked ballots without secrecy sleeves thrown out will tilt heavily democratic...

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Could the pennsylvania mail ballots be counted as literacy tests? (Original Post) jorgevlorgan Sep 2020 OP
I did it for the primary. BlueTsunami2018 Sep 2020 #1
Pennsylvania has a Democratic Governor and democratic attorney General jimfields33 Sep 2020 #2
This isn't based on anything they are doing jorgevlorgan Sep 2020 #3
Before this year, it was practically impossible to absentee vote jimfields33 Sep 2020 #4
Yeah also the ballot sleeve issue wasn't really a big deal until jorgevlorgan Sep 2020 #6
Holy crap! Did not realize that. jimfields33 Sep 2020 #9
That was my first thought, and why I am seeing articles on how complicated the voting still_one Sep 2020 #5
Pfft good luck. Amy Creepy Barrett would love to rule. RhodeIslandOne Sep 2020 #7
Are you required to use them? FBaggins Sep 2020 #8
You mean the secrecy envelopes? jorgevlorgan Sep 2020 #10
No. Vote by mail FBaggins Sep 2020 #13
Yeah I think PA is entirely vote by mail this year? jorgevlorgan Sep 2020 #14
Nope FBaggins Sep 2020 #15
Thanks! I thought they didn't have any early voting at all.... jorgevlorgan Sep 2020 #16
Really? not_the_one Sep 2020 #11
Thousands of already counted ballots were thrown out because of the secrecy envelopes. jorgevlorgan Sep 2020 #12

BlueTsunami2018

(3,491 posts)
1. I did it for the primary.
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 02:12 PM
Sep 2020

You have to be completely illiterate not to be able to follow these simple instructions. It’s not complex in the least.

jimfields33

(15,785 posts)
2. Pennsylvania has a Democratic Governor and democratic attorney General
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 02:17 PM
Sep 2020

No way would they make it harder to vote. No way would they.

jorgevlorgan

(8,291 posts)
3. This isn't based on anything they are doing
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 02:19 PM
Sep 2020

It is based on what the republican leadership before them did, and the current republican state legislature not wanting to help make it easiier for people to vote.

jimfields33

(15,785 posts)
4. Before this year, it was practically impossible to absentee vote
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 02:23 PM
Sep 2020

They had zero early voting. Everybody voted on Election Day. Covid helped make it easier to get changes. I can’t believe they didn’t take a ballot to the governor to give him a look at it. Maybe that too much in the weeds thinking, but as important as voting is, I’m sure he saw it.

jorgevlorgan

(8,291 posts)
6. Yeah also the ballot sleeve issue wasn't really a big deal until
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 02:26 PM
Sep 2020

Trump successfully got the state supreme court to invalidate all of them without a sleeve. This got thousands of already counted ballots disqualified in the primaries.

still_one

(92,154 posts)
5. That was my first thought, and why I am seeing articles on how complicated the voting
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 02:23 PM
Sep 2020

by mail process seems to be there.

I know some say it isn't an issue because all you have to do is read carefully, but it is these assumptions that will get ballots thrown out

It is doubtful at this late stage using the Civil Rights Act is going to work.

What we need to do is have people available to educate people on filling out their ballots correctly

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
7. Pfft good luck. Amy Creepy Barrett would love to rule.
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 02:28 PM
Sep 2020

How many times do you think she's said the n-word in her life?

FBaggins

(26,729 posts)
8. Are you required to use them?
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 02:28 PM
Sep 2020

Then probably not

I've seen this mentioned a couple times now... but have yet to see anything in the instructions that is unlike most absentee systems I've seen.

jorgevlorgan

(8,291 posts)
10. You mean the secrecy envelopes?
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 02:30 PM
Sep 2020

Of you don't read the instructions carefully, you may likely overlook the secrecy envelopes and have your ballot invalidated per a recent state supreme court ruling that was brought up by Trump. Thousands of already counted primary ballots were disqualified as a result.

FBaggins

(26,729 posts)
13. No. Vote by mail
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 02:32 PM
Sep 2020

If you were in a state where everyone was forced to vote by mail and there was something different about the instructions that made them in some sense a "literacy test", then there might be a case.

I have yet to hear what is so puzzling about PA's process compared to other states' and, of course, you don't have to vote by mail if you're confused.

jorgevlorgan

(8,291 posts)
14. Yeah I think PA is entirely vote by mail this year?
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 02:35 PM
Sep 2020

I don't know this for sure, though. Maybe not? But you make a good point

jorgevlorgan

(8,291 posts)
16. Thanks! I thought they didn't have any early voting at all....
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 02:40 PM
Sep 2020

And I guess I'm person voting on eday is also an option

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
11. Really?
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 02:30 PM
Sep 2020

This is not addressed to you, personally, but to those out there looking for reasons to freak out. We already have plenty of valid reasons to do so.

Having said THAT...

Get a grip. This is the most important election in this country's history.

If you want to vote, the least you can do is pay attention and follow instructions. If you can't read (and exactly what percentage of the population falls into THAT category), get someone to help you. If you can't read English, I bet you know someone who does.

The better argument may be that idiots shouldn't be allowed to vote.

jorgevlorgan

(8,291 posts)
12. Thousands of already counted ballots were thrown out because of the secrecy envelopes.
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 02:32 PM
Sep 2020

Which were not included due to not carefully following instructions. It is likely for there to be a high rate of these thrown out on election day.

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