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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 08:57 AM Sep 2020

*Biden's advantage grows nationally and in key states with the news of RBG's passing*

Biden now leads by 9 points nationally (51% to 42%), a 3 point shift in margin towards Biden over two weeks. This is Biden’s best performance nationally since late June at the height of the historic George Floyd protests, and is reasonably assumed to be a reaction to the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Trump’s favorability has also taken a hit while opinions of Biden have improved. Nationally, Trump’s favorability is +16 net unfavorable (down from +13 net unfavorable two weeks ago), and opinions of Biden are net-neutral (48% favorable, 48% unfavorable), a 6 point shift over two weeks.

In the battleground, Biden maintains his advantage across all six of these states Trump carried in 2016.

https://changeresearch.com/post/states-of-play-battleground-wave-14/

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*Biden's advantage grows nationally and in key states with the news of RBG's passing* (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2020 OP
David Gergen said RBG's passing would be very bad news for Reptilicans. lagomorph777 Sep 2020 #1
This means the freshest Rule of Claw Sep 2020 #2
Every poll is a data point. I suggest you look at the 538 average DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2020 #3
Meh Change Research is a very poor poll. Drunken Irishman Sep 2020 #4
Change research has had a small anti Biden house effect Loki Liesmith Sep 2020 #6
They're not a great pollster, BUT DrToast Sep 2020 #21
Fair warning: bad PA poll coming from them tomorrow Loki Liesmith Sep 2020 #5
Bad poll from who? Rule of Claw Sep 2020 #7
Change research Loki Liesmith Sep 2020 #8
Oh maybe not Loki Liesmith Sep 2020 #9
That would be highly strange Rule of Claw Sep 2020 #10
See below Loki Liesmith Sep 2020 #13
That's the Great Lakes poll DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2020 #11
Oh that does suck then Loki Liesmith Sep 2020 #12
Couple of things- Rule of Claw Sep 2020 #14
Also this poll Rule of Claw Sep 2020 #16
I noticed that too. Yesterday she said Biden led in OH. Now she's saying they're tied. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2020 #18
Ya I mean each day has about 150 responses per state maybe. Rule of Claw Sep 2020 #19
Yep! Eid Ma Clack Shaw Sep 2020 #20
Trump won OH by 9 and PA. by .005 in 016 DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2020 #24
I don't really believe the result Loki Liesmith Sep 2020 #23
It was nearly nine points left of OH in 016 DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2020 #25
Sooners? Rule of Claw Sep 2020 #26
Doomers Loki Liesmith Sep 2020 #28
Final Great Lakes Poll Results: Eid Ma Clack Shaw Sep 2020 #27
overall good polls, but one nauseating detail buried in there Amishman Sep 2020 #15
It about matches the final vote projection Rule of Claw Sep 2020 #17
K&R, RBG's death might be the birth of a new era of democracy in America ... lets see uponit7771 Sep 2020 #22
Some states are already starting to vote. Could this mean undecided voters are breaking to Biden? nt Quixote1818 Sep 2020 #29
 

Rule of Claw

(500 posts)
2. This means the freshest
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 09:12 AM
Sep 2020

data from AZ and FL actually show Biden increasing support. ABC was 9 15-20, this is 18-20, and FL St. Pete Polls is 21-22.

All good news.

I feel much better than a few hours ago.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
4. Meh Change Research is a very poor poll.
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 09:24 AM
Sep 2020

I'd rather be up in the ABC poll and down in these ones than the other way around.

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
6. Change research has had a small anti Biden house effect
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 09:27 AM
Sep 2020

So these results are surprisingly good. But they run hot and cold in quality.

Throw it on the average.

DrToast

(6,414 posts)
21. They're not a great pollster, BUT
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 10:44 AM
Sep 2020

If their polls show movement over their prior polls, you can still consider that as a good sign.

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
9. Oh maybe not
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 09:37 AM
Sep 2020

I saw a tweet from their comms person putting PA at Biden +1 this morning and that poll would be released tomorrow

But they just released a PA poll today at Biden +4

 

Rule of Claw

(500 posts)
10. That would be highly strange
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 09:41 AM
Sep 2020

if a polling outfit leaked its own release a day early. Even stranger if they undercut their own poll release from a day earlier.

 

Rule of Claw

(500 posts)
14. Couple of things-
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 10:10 AM
Sep 2020

1. Tied in OH and PA is highly unlikely. Tied in OH means 4-6 pt lead in PA. In line with other polls.

2. My opinion is I find it unprofessional to be giving updates on a poll before final results are in. Because you don't constantly weigh the poll as you absorb the data. Last night she says leads within MOE in PA OH but not she says tied and plus 1? So what if the final results show a Biden SURGE. Ridiculous. You collect data, you weigh data, you release data. This much self promotion is at the least, not industry standard.

 

Rule of Claw

(500 posts)
16. Also this poll
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 10:14 AM
Sep 2020

has previously shown Trump leading PA. Taken against previous polling it would actually be an improvement for Biden.

Not going to give it much weight either way.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
18. I noticed that too. Yesterday she said Biden led in OH. Now she's saying they're tied.
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 10:20 AM
Sep 2020

Throw it in the trash!

 

Rule of Claw

(500 posts)
19. Ya I mean each day has about 150 responses per state maybe.
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 10:23 AM
Sep 2020

So if the final results "trickle in" say, 50 people, but randomly 30 of them are Biden, that might swing the poll 2 percent. But then you have to weigh. We agree: disregard.

Eid Ma Clack Shaw

(490 posts)
20. Yep!
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 10:30 AM
Sep 2020

Tied in Ohio means comfortable Biden elsewhere in the Midwest unless there’s something unprecedented going on.

From all I’ve seen so far this year, this is a remarkably stable race. Despite an extremely stable national race, my suspicion is that pollsters are being incredibly cautious in battleground states. It, quite frankly, reminds me of 2012, where almost everything - state, national, you name it - was just a bit off in Obama’s favour, while showing him ahead on average. I don’t think it ever seemed rational that he’d dip enough to lose, yet it was constantly portrayed as a race that would be a squeaker; Obama winning the EC while losing the popular vote was mooted by some!

By polling day that year, Romney’s probability of victory on 538 had slipped to under 10%, right down from 30ish only a week or two prior. I would not be at all surprised to similar this time around - today, Biden would win 77% of the time. I don’t think we’ll see Trump with 1 in 3 odds this time around, put it that way.

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
23. I don't really believe the result
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 11:16 AM
Sep 2020

Bc PA is about 4-5 left of OH. Not looking forward to the Doomers tomorrow is all

Amishman

(5,553 posts)
15. overall good polls, but one nauseating detail buried in there
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 10:13 AM
Sep 2020

"Biden and Democrats are more trusted to appoint the next Supreme Court Justice. Nationally, Biden and Democrats are preferred 54% to 46% and in the battleground, 51% to 49%."

That is a sadly tight margin.

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