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calguy

(5,294 posts)
2. The evil forces are always out there
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:59 PM
Sep 2020

Just like the plague, the germs are always there waiting for their next opportunity. Trump took over the GOP because they were divided. Trump won in 2016 because too many on our side were complacent.
They might get defeated at look like they're gone, but they will always there, waiting for a weakness to exploit.

rzemanfl

(29,554 posts)
5. The other night, on "Pawn Stars" of all things, I saw FDR won the 1936 election with
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 09:13 PM
Sep 2020

61% of the vote. You are correct, assholes have always been with us, but they did not have the Internet back then, or Putin stirring them up (just Hitler and the Bund).

drray23

(7,619 posts)
3. we will have to overhaul the system
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 09:00 PM
Sep 2020

and enact appropriate guards. For example, presidential power needs to be significantly curtailed, congress be given explicit and unambiguous ways to enforce subpoenas without having to rely on the justice department and a plethora of other things.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
4. Trump has the loyalty - not the GOP.
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 09:09 PM
Sep 2020

Their party could very well fracture if Trump tries to take his loyal base to do other things.

madinmaryland

(64,931 posts)
18. To add to your comment, if the trump crime family holds together...
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 10:06 PM
Sep 2020

It may continue the cult movement. This in regardless to whether trump is still alive.

David Duke, Tom Cotton, mike huckabee, etc. the names go on.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
10. I'm hoping the fresh blood in the Congress...
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 09:40 PM
Sep 2020

will find a way to get the American people involved in their government. State and federal. There's some great voices there, and some great ideas. Got to find a way for people to listen, learn, and do.

wnylib

(21,346 posts)
11. Was it over when Nixon was gone?
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 09:40 PM
Sep 2020

Reagan? Bush Jr?

Granted, none of them were as bad as Trump. But they led up to him. There will always be people in this country who are willing to support authoritarianisn, racism, and power grabs.

I think it was Benjamin Franklin who said, "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance."

So, no, it will not be over when Trump is gone. Already there are Republicans who support many of the policies that Trump has championed who are trying to rebrand themselves as moderates. If they get a chance, they will push for the elimination of Social Security and Medicare. They will continue to favor legislation that benefits the 1% over the rest of us. They will continue to allow voter list purges. They will do nothing for the environment. They will take no action to eliminate systemic racism.

We cannot relax when Trump is gone. We can celebrate and I certainly look forward to the nationwide good riddance party. But we must stay activie so we don't lose whatever gains we make under Biden.

kurtcagle

(1,602 posts)
12. It will transform
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 09:40 PM
Sep 2020

I think the current far-right conservativism arc is over. Most of the players of Nixon's Southern Strategy are either dead or retiring, and the Boomer generation which fueled them are now in their 70s or older. Without Trump, it's going to wither and die.

I think we may actually have a respite for a few years, but I accept that we're going to be dealing with Incels and a resurgent neoNazi contingent for a while. If we're lucky we ought to be able to dig out from the current mess by the time that the next wave hits.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
14. The months following will be violent
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 09:41 PM
Sep 2020

They will do whatever they can to ruin the incoming administration.

DSandra

(999 posts)
16. As long as Fox News and the other nefarious forces are fully active...
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 10:05 PM
Sep 2020

Yes, we will have to keep this up until they budge, or until millennials and Gen Z fully takeover politics.

RazzleCat

(732 posts)
17. I have wondered so much about this
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 10:05 PM
Sep 2020

No all people who voted for Trump are all bad. I have neighbors and former co-workers who did. Some were angry, some hated Hilary and thought how bad could it be, so just were hoodwinked. I also know people who voted Trump and are proud of him (they are not friends).

I want to know what to do. Many regret their vote, (they just stay silent now), the unrepentant ones I almost envision some sort of truth and reconciliation commission. I want public trials. Trials over so many crimes. Children in cages comes to mind. I want people who wear blinders to see what they have allowed. We also need to enact laws to protect what were standard practices, no more temporary appointment after temporary appointment. So how about no more than one per position per tem. We need to do too much to list it all out, but that's a start.

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