"Trump Can't Just Refuse To Leave Office"

[quickesst]

Although written in June, a few months doesn't change anything. Not if, but when Joe Biden wins....

Trump Can’t Just Refuse to Leave Office
We have a lot of things to worry about in the next eight months. This isn’t one of them.
By Fred Kaplan
June 01, 20201:54 PM

So it’s the morning of Jan. 20, 2021. Trump doesn’t meet President-elect Joe Biden and his wife in the White House driveway, nor does he attend the inauguration on Capitol Hill. Instead, he proclaims, as he has many times by this point, that the election was a fraud (he has set the stage for this with his false claims about mail-in ballots), and at noon, instead of acceding to the transfer of power, Trump proclaims that the swearing in was FAKE NEWS and that he remains the president.

Here is what would happen next.
On the dot of noon, the nuclear codes, which currently allow Trump to order and authenticate a nuclear attack, expire. The officer who has been following him around everywhere with the “football”—which, contrary to popular belief, is not a button or a palm print but rather a book filled with various launch codes—leaves. If Trump and whatever lackeys stay with him prevent the officer from leaving, another officer, holding a backup football, would join Biden at the inauguration ceremony.
By the same token, the entire U.S. military establishment will pivot away from ex-President Trump and salute President Biden. The principle of civilian control is hammered into American officers from the time they’re cadets—and the 20th Amendment of the Constitution states, “The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January”—no ifs, ands, or buts.

More at:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/trump-election-refusal-leave.html

[Blue Owl]

1. Damn right!

n/t

[In It to Win It]

2. I don't think Trump would refuse to leave if he lost but...

I wouldn't be surprised if he tried.

All he's done over the last 4 years is test limits.

[regnaD kciN]

3. True enough, IF all he did was refuse to leave...

...but, as we've seen this week, his plan is apparently to get loyal state legislatures to intervene in the awarding of electors to give him enough to "win," while packing the SCOTUS to try to rubber-stamp that ploy. If that happens (and it depends entirely on whether the Court reads the passage in the Constitution regarding the state legislatures being empowered to appoint electors as meaning they can do it without needing to follow any state laws about awarding the electors to the certified winner in that state), then he's the legally-elected president, even against the will of the people, and thus he's constitutionally entitled to be sworn in for a second term.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

4. Yep. Careful you'll get called a doom and gloomer

This article by Salon is kind of pathetic and shows the author has no grasp of the potential problems.

One of my fears is a false flag operation of sending thousands obvious fake ballots marked for Biden to several key states for “counting.” When the fakes get “discovered” they scream bloody murder about stealing the election and put a stop to the counts. Then the state legislature(s) declare the election too tainted.

[quickesst]

11. Funny that you would insult the author....

.... given that you did not read, or comprehend what the author was saying. It clearly states but there are a lot of things we should worry about in the coming months, but Trump leaving office if Joe Biden wins is not one of them. Then you use one of the scenarios that the author is obviously talking about when he says there are things we should worry about to justify your insult.

[BannonsLiver]

25. Lots of residual sour grapes happening from earlier this year

Will leave it at that.

[quickesst]

28. I really....

.... don't know where to go with that, but okay. I'll leave it at that too.

[quickesst]

5. My thread is about addressing....

.... his actions after a Joe Biden win, and to take the wind out of the sails of the doom-and-gloom crap that that has been thrown around here lately, most of which has been misinformation. Take for example the military. What I have seen here lately is that the military will not become involved. The military has sworn to uphold the Constitution and the 20th Amendment clearly defines the role of the military in the situation like this.
Like the author of this article has stated, there are a lot of things to worry about in the coming months, but booting Trump's ass out of the White House after Biden wins isn't one of them.

[DrToast]

6. Great. Nobody is worried about that scenario

[JohnnyRingo]

7. Until Trump calls upon supporters....

..to arm up and ring the White House to prevent transfer. They will be confident that Trump was elected fairly by them and democrats are perpetrating another hoax. Trump will remain as their president, or so they hope.

[Zeitghost]

16. The transfer of power

has nothing to do with who occupies the Whitehouse.

[JustGene]

26. Yeah

People seem to forget that the power is in the office of President, not the person.

[dware]

24. And just how long do you think it would take the DC Police, Secret Service,

US Marshals Service to arrest/run them off?

It's illegal to carry a firearm in DC, especially visitors from other states, they would be disarmed and arrested in no time.

[Cha]

8. Like the article says.. trump has stated

that he doesn't know if he'll leave office if he loses.

There have been a lot of posts speculating on this, too.

This article makes it clear how it Will Happen.

If Trump could get away with refusing to leave the Oval Office, in order “to extend his autocratic power,” as Cohen put it, he probably would. But he wouldn’t get away with it; those around him would almost certainly advise him against it, if he asked; therefore my guess is, he won’t try. Then again, in recent years many things have happened that I would have bet against. Let’s say the nightmare happens. Here is why it won’t last long.

I, for one, appreciate it. Mahalo, quickesst.

[quickesst]

12. Thanks Cha

I think some people are conflating the two scenarios the author mentions. The pre-election scenario we should be worried about, and the post-election scenario which probably won't happen, but if it does in any form, those people would find themselves arrested and jailed for insurrection.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

9. In normal times, as soon as the current occupent of the White House

leaves to attend the inauguration of his successor, everything is packed up to be shipped to wherever that now former President is moving to. And the belongings of the new President are unpacked and put in place.

I'm going to guess that this scenario will happen on January 20, 2021. Regardless of Trump's claims or behavior.

[pnwmom]

10. I don't think this is the likely scenario nor the one people are most worried about.

That's the possibility that he will get the Governors in key swing states to decide in favor of Trump and appoint their own slates of electors, regardless of the popular vote. In that case, Trump could be declare President by the Electoral College in December.

We need a massive turnout in October and November to make sure the Governors see their best interest is not served by helping Trump.

[Buns_of_Fire]

13. Meh. (1) Cut the utilities. (2) Put new padlocks on the OUTside of his new fence.

Depending on how many Big Macs he's stashed in the bunker, I'd give it 24-36 hours before he'd be at the fence, begging for people to toss twinkies over (in return, he'd entertain visitors by flinging poo back at them). A "Trump Airlift" might be arranged by Nunes and Jordan to drop buckets of KFC Extra-Crispy to him, but would probably be abandoned after his complaints that the extra gravy got cold in transit.

More troubling is the 77 days between the election and the inauguration.

[quickesst]

14. Exactly

Your reply reflects the point of my OP perfectly. 100% of the focus should be on the lead-up to November 3rd, then working to minimize the damage this fool can cause between then and January 20th.

[Cha]

15. KICK!

[quickesst]

17. thanks Cha

According to the New York Times the military is already prepping plans in case Trump attempts to misuse the military. Although they will not be the ones to escort Trump out of the White House if necessary, that Duty will fall to the Secret Service or the u.s. marshals. If Trump's cult followers decide to surround the White House, the National Guard will step in and arrests will be made for insurrection. A coup is the least of our worries right now.

[Cha]

18. Oh I hope trump's GIANT ASS EGO Does..

he needs to go down in a burning pile of FLAMES!

I loved reading what you wrote that the NYy reported on.. hope the Magats got pissed about it.

[quickesst]

21. I'm with you Cha....

In case you haven't seen it, maybe we can call these guys if we have to.

https://m.

[Cha]

22. Brilliant.. But what or who is "JMP"?

Thank you, q!

[quickesst]

23. who is JMP?

I have absolutely no idea, and the nearest thing I can find is JMP, a smaller branch of SAS which is a data analyzing company. Did you see that on my post? If so, where? Thanks Cha

[Cha]

27. LOL.. I just realized that the "JMP" I saw

under the Video-the chyron- was the last part of "trump's" name.. JMP As in "trump" won't commit to a peaceful transition".

Busted! I have the "Zoom" up really high so I can see better!

[quickesst]

29. not a complete loss....

We now know what JMP does. Knowledge is power.

[Cha]

33. lol

[MyMission]

19. He thinks he can refuse to leave. He has enablers.

No sarcasm. He believes he can manipulate things so he won't have to leave.

He will cause a lot of grief and chaos in the process, as he always does.

[quickesst]

20. if Joe Biden is declared the winner....

.... he will either leave voluntarily, or be escorted out and unless he decides to try and start World War 3, nothing he does will be irreparable. The time of healing will depend on the amount carnage he is able to cause, but it will not be the endgame for America.

[SoonerPride]

31. Who will escort him out?

Have they said they would?

I have seen no promises other than posters here who are powerless to arrest him

[quickesst]

32. as I have already stated....

.... If Joe Biden is declared the winner and Trump refuses to leave, he will be escorted from the White House. My guess would be either US Marshals, or the Secret Service, but if it comes down to it the military will obey the lawful orders of the President of the United States.

“I, along with the entire US military, will follow the lawful orders of the legitimate president of the United States as determined by law,” said Gen Milley, adding US law stipulated there could only be one lawful president at a time.

The moment Joe Biden is declared the winner, Trump will no longer be the lawful president.

[SoonerPride]

34. I have seen ZERO quotes from a single person that they will escort Trump from office

Not one

Find it

Don’t tell me what the law says

That’s irrelevant.

Will anyone ENFORCE the law?

Who?

Prove it.

I have seen no one swear they will salute Biden and stop following Trump.

Not one.

[quickesst]

37. actually....

.... what is irrelevant is your post. The election is still over a month away. At this point, despite Trump's questionable machinations, it is still an election that will be decided by the votes. It would be stupid at this point for any law enforcement agency, or military staff to threaten the forceful removal of a president when the election is still over a month away, and no one can be 100% sure Trump will not step down voluntarily. I am confident should the the need arise, whether it falls to the US Marshals, the Secret Service, or Joe Biden's military, the proper steps will be taken to ensure the smoothest transition of power possible.

"I have seen no one swear they will salute Biden and stop following Trump.
Not one."

You almost sound confident?... that it won't happen.

[SoonerPride]

38. The only confident people I see in this issue are on DU

I haven’t seen any US Marshal or Secret Service officer or military general say that is Trump refuses to concede and still calls himself president and still has the presidential seal on his desk that they won’t listen to him on January 21st and instead listen to a newly sworn in Biden.

I have zero assurances that those around him haven’t already sworn fealty to him personally.

I sure hope it goes smoothly.

But I have no seen reason to believe it will.

[quickesst]

39. as I have already stated....

SoonerPride:
"I haven’t seen any US Marshal or Secret Service officer or military general say that is Trump refuses to concede and still calls himself president and still has the presidential seal on his desk that they won’t listen to him on January 21st and instead listen to a newly sworn in Biden."

..... not only would it be inappropriate for any agency to do so pre-election, it would simply be stupid for them to do so. To make any such statement now would open the door to understandable accusations of partisanship. It would be pouring gasoline onto an already raging fire.

[SoonerPride]

41. So now it is partisan to say you would uphold the law?

I’m not disagreeing with you.

But to say you would obey the Constitution is only something Democrats believe.

Republicans do not.

So you are right.

[quickesst]

42. Republicans....

.... have no morals, nor do they respect the constitution, so I believe anything they can misconstrue as partisan will be used as another excuse to declare the election rigged, or illegal. I do however believe that if Joe Biden is declared the legal winner, this quote cannot in any way be misconstrued as such, but does, in my opinion, leave a clear intent as to the post-election actions of the military. Call it "reading between the lines", but to me it is a clear message.

“I, along with the entire US military, will follow the lawful orders of the legitimate president of the United States as determined by law,” said Gen Milley, adding US law stipulated there could only be one lawful president at a time.

[SoonerPride]

30. Do we have quotes from military or SS that they will enforce the transfer

If we have TWO people claiming they are president who do the generals salute?

Are you sure it’ll be Biden?

Have they said so?

I know how it should work.

Doesn’t mean that it will

[BlueWavePsych]

35. Secret Service removing Trump from White House after he loses election.

[quickesst]

43. that looks about right

[SunSeeker]

36. K & R

[quickesst]

44. Thanks