Dave Aronberg on Morning Joe: All the talk re: what can happen is to discourage & demoralize Dems

[onetexan]

the Atlantic article suggesting what may happen https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/

influencing trump-supporting electors, etc. is to prevent voters from voting, essentially saying all this will happen so why even bother. Aronberg, State Attorney for Palm Beach County FL, said best thing is get out & VOTE. He doesn't seem too concerned about it.

I agree. Let's not make all the noise discourage & distract us. We do what we can within our control: VOTE!
The Repugs cannot break the will of the people.

[Thekaspervote]

1. Thank you..a voice of sanity!

Yes, talk about demoralized, it sure happened here a couple of days ago.

And the truth of it, if you unroll it piece by piece, state Law by state law...it would have to have so much come together.....it’s just highly highly improbable

[onetexan]

5. yes all the fear was really stressful. There are more of us. We can't give into the propaganda and

let this horrid man intimidate us to save his ass. He is a criminal & must be removed & prosecuted.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

2. Agreed-Trump can't do much of the crap he claims

Just GOTV and we'll see President Biden in January!

[mnmoderatedem]

3. Obama can help here

He needs to issue a public service announcement to all dem voters. Trust me, don't be discouraged because you think your vote won't matter. Vote vote vote.

That would help.

[onetexan]

6. Agree. If we hear more from Obama it would really be helpful. But..we don't know what is on his mind

i'm sure we will hear from O more in this last stretch before the elections. Lord knows we'll need it.

[malaise]

4. Yep - he nailed it

The Con can talk - the system will remove his ass

[Thekaspervote]

7. This!

[GoCubsGo]

8. I still wouldn't put it past Fat Bastard to try to pull some of this shit.

Hopefully, the article just makes more and more people even more determined to get up and vote him ouy, and flip the Senate in overwhelming numbers. And, i sounds like that's exactly what's actually happening.

[malaise]

9. It is going to be a blowout of BIGLY proportions

This fucking reprobate Conman is going to finally face the consequences - a fitting end.

[onetexan]

11. K&R - well said Malaise

Hopefully it will be a blowout similar to LBJ proportions.

[onetexan]

12. We know the Con will pull crap & the pundits are saying they expect him to try to dispute results

doesn't mean he will win. It will be an embarrassing defeat and hopefully he, along w/ LowBarr will also be prosecuted for their crimes as well.

[ToxMarz]

10. I think it may be possible that some (much) of this election stealing rhetoric

coming from trump's side may be aimed at consoling the presidents hopes and keep him form absolutely freaking out and losing his mind. They're speaking to an audience of one. He has to believe he is totally screwed when he is out of office and I can only imagine where he would be right now mentally if he thought the jig was up.

[skip fox]

32. A good point, but one that doesn't preclude his actual possible actions.

[Sunsky]

13. I believe so

Trump is trying to discourage Democrats from voting by trying to make it seem as if our votes won't matter and our voices will be silenced by the courts. He's trying to get those who do not normally participate but might this election to reconsider and stay home.

For years, in my GOTV efforts, I've met people who believe that it's not worth their time because their votes will not be counted. This happens a lot in my immigrant communities, with people who have experienced sham elections or who grew up skeptical of the electoral process. This strategy of Trump, I believe is born from data collected through micro-targeting and is geared towards those kinds of skeptics. I'm not saying Trump will not try this tactic but I do not believe he will be successful. The media is assisting Trump by promulgating this theory. People are fired up and ready to participate in this election and Trump is trying to water down this momentum. We need to find a way to convince people that Trump's efforts will not be successful and that it is still worth the effort to cast their votes.

[Demsrule86]

15. I have seen that too for years which is why I trash doom and gloom posts and respond

negatively to such posts. These sort of posts enable Trump and should not be posted here. I saw one yesterday that claimed Donnie was unstoppable. I don't know how it is still here.

[Demsrule86]

14. That is what I have said.

[onetexan]

39. Yes, & the message needs to be spread far & wide - VOTE but say vigilant

We're all in this together!!

[BlueJac]

16. Just vote!

Early!

[EarlG]

17. Might this not have the opposite effect?

Our side is massively energized this year. Meanwhile, Republicans are seeing the polls and deep down they know Donny is in trouble. But now he’s telling them “Don’t worry about it, I’ll still be president even if Biden wins.”

So doesn’t he risk depressing his OWN turnout? What is their incentive to go to the polls if God Emperor doesn’t even need votes to beat Biden?

Plus this stinks of classic Trump — promise people the moon (“The vote count is irrelevant because I have a secret way to win!”), then massively underdeliver and quietly slink away to the next con.

[onetexan]

28. If you mean the opposite effect as in the Repugs not voting, i'm all for it.

Of course they know he's in trouble. But this rabid base will do whatever they can to help the Con stay in power. We know the Serial Liar w/ all his bogus promises is not to be trusted. The one thing we can do and do well is turn our en masse & kick him out of office, kicking & screaming no doubt

[Tommymac]

18. This - a thousand times this!

"Let's not make all the noise discourage & distract us. We do what we can within our control: VOTE!
The Repugs cannot break the will of the people."

[Boogiemack]

19. That is true. And that means we cannot ignore it. Nor should we.

It is up to us who understand to explain it to those who don't and motivate more of them to vote.

[yardwork]

20. I agree! Keep calm and vote.

[Sherman A1]

21. GOTV

Turnout is everything.

[onetexan]

27. Yup, & volunteer to GOTV - any way we can. We must win this election!

[oldsoftie]

22. Anyone who doesnt vote because they believe some conspiracy, is just a damn fool.

GO VOTE

[onetexan]

26. Say a thousand times my friend. As citizens voting is our most effective weapon against any tyranny.

[oldsoftie]

40. Amen.

[qazplm135]

23. No it isn't

And there's no evidence that it's making voters not want to vote.

You literally have state party officials on the record on this.

Forewarned is forearmed, and the solution to stopping it is winning in a blowout, which encourages maximize voting.

[gordianot]

24. You are correct.

I am angry and that is also part of the goal of this political bait. Violent reaction is actually a Trump objective and I doubt many if any anti Trump voters will take the bait. In my case it makes me more determined to vote they can wave and flash their guns and flags all they want I know how to act in public. They best stay the hell out of my yard.

[onetexan]

25. +1 K&R

well said!

[Demsrule86]

38. Voters who believe an election is rigged are less likely to vote. I have done GOTV for

years, and that is my experience.

[ecstatic]

29. Democrats hate trump and will do WHATEVER IT TAKES to vote him out

Meanwhile, we expect and demand that our leaders have solutions and contingency plans for if any of those worst case scenarios happen. Burying our heads in the sand or plugging our ears and singing is not an option this time.

[skip fox]

31. Exactly. We're not discouraged by these speculations/possibilities BUT

we can't ignore them.

State senators in PA are actually contemplating the possibility of denying their voters.

We don't need to set our hair on fire, but we must be ready and being ready means being aware of what Trump might pull.

By the way, he might pull different cons in different states.

[onetexan]

33. Definitely, we need to be vigilant as the Repugs will try every dirty trick they can to suppress

votes & rig the election. But it's good to remain calm to deal with the situation rationally as well.

[Demsrule86]

41. Don't ignore them, counter them...sure people here will vote no matter what, but I can

tell there are some who are not as strong but are Democrats may not.

[onetexan]

35. I've heard Biden has built a huge team of lawyers in every state. Seems the campaign has learned

from 2016 lessons & taking precaution so far. If Dems & sensible people vote en masse no amount of rigging can overcome that. I do believe the blowout scenario someone posted the other day - that once west coast states' results have been posted Biden will be the clear winner. Let's hope we have that happy day

[Dukkha]

30. Exactly 45 can whine and cry all he wants

Won't change a damn thing. Constitution law states the president elect takes office automatically January 20th no matter what. All that inauguration and swearing in is purely ceremonial. At midnight Biden takes residence and if he doesn't leave he's an intruder and will be dealt with accordingly. There are checks and balances in place to ensure transition of power

[NurseJackie]

34. That's been going on in all corners of the Internet. Many FUD spreaders.

Many hand-wringers. Many "predicting" (promoting?) their doomsday scenarios. Many expressing regret, doubts, fears... and I have to tell you, those types of posts go far beyond the mere act of "seeking comfort" among like-minded individuals. They, instead, are doing little more than fear-mongering and trying to DE-motivate people. I even see it here from time to time.

All I'm trying to say is that we should be on the lookout for it. Call it out when you see it. Don't let it get to you and pour cold water on it so that their toxic way of thinking doesn't spread to others.

It serves NO useful purpose at all. It's just another example of how people are oddly willing to do and say things that create an atmosphere of fear and hopelessness and negativity. Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

[onetexan]

36. Well said. K&R!!

[malaise]

42. Great post

[crickets]

43. +1000000

[dalton99a]

37. Fuck the noise. Fuck the pundits. GOTV!

[DeminPennswoods]

44. It's the same behavior Michael Cohen

explains repeatedly in his book. Trump says something and the media immediately jumps on it rather than treat it like the gibberish it is.