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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIn a very republican, affluent, mostly white, educated, Columbus OH suburban neighborhood of ...
... Upper Arlington I have been seeing tons of signs that have just this one word:
ENOUGH
No guarantees but they are nice to see.
yardwork
(61,538 posts)I've always believed that Trump's actual base of voters were upper income people - mostly white, but other ethnicities as well - who liked the idea of tax cuts and bought into "less government interference." Many of them like their gun collections, too.
If they've had "enough" he will lose.
Botany
(70,447 posts)n/t
yardwork
(61,538 posts)I know that lower-educated white people turned out for him in droves, and they're the loud ones who show up at his rallies. But running through every Republican's base is this thread of upper-income people, mostly living in suburbs, who quietly vote Republican for selfish reasons. When the election comes down to a few points, those people make up the marginal difference.
To put it another way, Trump is going to get the loud racist white vote. That's a given. But if he loses the affluent suburban crowd in key states, he will lose the election.
Woodycall
(259 posts)more than social justice and the environment, then they are part of the "criminal" element in the cretins+crazies+criminals in the modern GOP equation IMO.
soldierant
(6,791 posts)However, there are still some who, if educated, will simply be educated cretins and educated crazies. Rand paul, to name just one, but there are legion, in and out of government.
When I joined the bridge club here in Austin, one of
my hard lessons was having to interact with so many
rich white Republican bigots.
It was kind of a culture shock for me.
There are many rich people who live in my neighborhood
as well. I've seen one Black Lives Matter sign and no
Trump or Biden signs.
Austin is generally blue by a wide majority, so Biden will
do well here. As for the rest of Texas, I'm not sure. But
what you've seen is definitely a sign of hope, so ...
here's hopin'!
Sympthsical
(9,037 posts)This is going to be won or lost in the suburbs.
Fortunately, Ive sensed a large shift away from the shit heel there. Affluent middle and upper middle class types want stability above all. They want their life as uninterrupted as possible. Trump is the embodiment of pure chaos. I think enough of these people have truly had enough after four years.
Ohiogal
(31,909 posts)Went to a farm market with Mr. O and we drove through the affluent Canfield and Poland area of Mahoning Co.
I said, Ill bet well see Trump signs galore around here
But I was pleasantly surprised by all the Biden signs I saw. Probably at least 50-50 Trump to Biden. Ive never imagined that area to lean so blue. It was very encouraging.
Always Randy
(1,059 posts)Captain Zero
(6,783 posts)Nt
Cousin Dupree
(1,866 posts)Probably 40% Biden and 60% trump. If this county ever went blue, Id keel over and die. But we (the Dems) have been working our butts off! Tons of burned, defaced and stolen Biden signs.
Woodycall
(259 posts)...is the polite term used. A.K.A. - Every dumb fucker you knew in high school...
Ligyron
(7,616 posts)At least they are in the part of FL where I come from. Where they once spoke perfectly understandable English, many have now adopted the most ridiculous caricature of a Southern accent imaginable. Some imitate an East Tenn speech pattern, others a more Alabama/Mississippi drawl while still others have gone more for the clipped West Virginia twang and some have even tried for a Virginia tidewater sound.
Not that there is anything wrong with a Southern accent, I'd love to sound like a Virginia Aristocrat myself. It's just that it's not their natural manner of speaking when they were growing up, that they had to consciously practice at it and most can't quite pull it off.
Phonies all
DBoon
(22,340 posts)and not disciplined enough to be on a team sport
CottonBear
(21,596 posts)DownriverDem
(6,226 posts)those who will lose what they need to survive? Social Security Medicare Medicaid Affordable Care Act
TuxedoKat
(3,818 posts)when Pres. Obama said that in a campaign speech. So powerful! I want that sign too.
babylonsister
(171,032 posts)colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)Driving along a pretty affluent Neighborhood in a Northwest Suburb of Columbus I was surprised and encouraged to see about 7 Biden/Harris yard signs and not one Trump sign.
He is retaining his crazy far right brainless core but is bleeding non crazy Republicans.
oldsoftie
(12,489 posts)2nd rule; get new voters. Doubt he's getting as many as Joe
3rd rule; get more voters from the other party than last election. Not happening.
not_the_one
(2,227 posts)who finally feel they are being represented. Sad, pathetic shits that they are...
He is certainly not getting democrats flipping to vote for him, so that would be the only possibility. If they are of the "dixiecrat" variety, they already voted for him last time.
Apparently they are doing good with their registration drive in Florida. But are they doing as good as the democrats?
Famous last (possibly) words.... He CAN'T win legally.
I think the vote margin for Biden is going to be huge. The turd has, and will always have, his knuckledragging racist/bigot base, but he is losing some of his moneyed crowd. He has become so disgusting that many of then can no longer handle the outrageousness of his actions and words. Hell, they may even lose some of their money if we go into total collapse as a nation. They are probably on the verge of clutching their pearls.
So his only other option is to scream RIGGED, RIGGED, and hope he can manipulate the courts to his advantage. He has said he wants the courts to decide his fate.
oldsoftie
(12,489 posts)If he loses his ass well before all the mail ins are counted, then all he can scream is the reverse; "its not over! We havent counted all the votes!"
Botany
(70,447 posts)... from the Trump Campaign, Fox News, and many republicans (Mitch McConnell) but "they'
kept it close enough to steal it and white college educated women voted for Trump by about
something like 55% helped Trump. Trump is now hemorrhaging support in that group.
And in one of the most gerrymandered districts in America OH's 12th Alaina Shearer (D Ohio
U. product) has a very good of winning.
Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)for Hillary in 2016. Tim Ryan wins in Trumbull every two years and I think he is also in Mahoning...we are gerrymandered in Ohio pretty badly.
Evolve Dammit
(16,697 posts)Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)it is over for Trump.
dware
(12,250 posts)not only are they not sitting out the election, the majority of them are voting for Biden/Harris, especially the way Trump has screwed us truck drivers in general.
denbot
(9,898 posts)They would blow it off, or even persistently pretend not to hear the question. These people are truly in a cult. I stay out of the restaurants as much as possible, and bars are most definitely out, so I havent been sitting around other drivers. The one thing I have noticed is that there seems to be less Trump stickers on big rigs.
ihas2stinkyfeet
(1,400 posts)and they are mourning the loss of rgb.
it's gonna be a tsunami that will make fukushima look like a barely surf-able wave.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)doc03
(35,295 posts)every house and boat had a Trump flag. There was one that had a homemade Trump for prison sign in the window.
luvs2sing
(2,220 posts)Theyre the trumpiest of the Trumpers from my experience growing up in the area.
Alliepoo
(2,208 posts)Im seeing more Biden yard signs than Dump. Last election it was the opposite. Im pleasantly surprised. It is a red area though and you are correct in that both counties will be a tough sell. Not at all shocked about the dump support at Buckeye Lake- the wealthy folks in their Heron Bay houses and their boats at the yacht club, and the opposite end of the spectrum, non-college white lower income residents.
luvs2sing
(2,220 posts)I have several friends down there who are feeling much better about our chances this time around.
Growing up in Heath at that opposite end of the spectrum and spending many childhood days fishing on Buckeye Lake and seeing the run-down amusement park, Im still stunned at what it has become.
Alliepoo
(2,208 posts)Grew up in Whitehall- I wasnt on the yacht club end of the spectrum either! Mr Poos g-ma had a little cottage out at the lake. Think they bought it in the 40s. It was just a small place but it was on the water. No dock or anything fancy. I think it was almost directly across from the amusement park. I get turned around out there! His mom and aunt sold it. Wish wed been in a position to buy it when they did but we werent. I think a lot of the old owners sold and big new places built after tearing down the little old places. Its changed so much out there. We spent many a day, and weekends out there. I loved it. We still go out (well not with covid) to Weldons and Papa Boos and the Copper Penny and pick up rocks to paint at Fairfield Beach.
BumRushDaShow
(128,444 posts)like this -
Had seen those along with all the "Republicans for Obama/Biden" signs.
When you start seeing what you saw, it could be a sign that the area is pulling in some of the old "Obama coalition" Republicans. I generally assumed that those Republicans who were voting for the Obama/Biden ticket were not so much voting for Obama but for Biden, who was considered a "moderate".
FakeNoose
(32,579 posts)Maybe they don't want to vote for Biden or any Democrat, but they're sick and tired of Chump. They are abandoning him in droves.
This is why we have to GOTV - we still need to get the voters to the polls (or the mails) because our votes will mean something this time. The selfish, spoiled racists have decided to sit this one out and let Biden win. They're not going to give it to us, we still have to work for it.
calimary
(81,110 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)luvs2sing
(2,220 posts)Ive only seen two Trump signs, a few of those black and blue police flags, one Troy Balderson sign at a house that usually has trump signs, a trump flag mounted on the back of a house where you have to look really hard to see it..and hundreds of Biden and BLM signs. I live in a big blue bubble, and I kinda like it.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,494 posts)LisaL
(44,972 posts)NT
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,494 posts)plenty of support for Bush. But don't know if they were the majority. These were the "I don't wanna pay taxes" crowd. An architect at my firm at the time who also grew up and lived there was always trying to debate me at work about how great Bush/Cheney were.
LisaL
(44,972 posts)I don't recall seeing that many Clinton Kaine signs in 2016.
themaguffin
(3,816 posts)Captain Zero
(6,783 posts)He won't be winning.
At the end it will be a bandwagon effect for Biden.
AllaN01Bear
(17,987 posts)Jon King
(1,910 posts)So in Palm Beach Gardens we have a busy intersection where Trump cult members have gathered every Friday for years. They hold up signs for Trump. Biden folks started gathering a few months ago on Weds, being way too polite so as to not bother the Trump Fridays.
Not good enough for cult members. Last Wed. they showed up and started trouble. We were sitting at the intersection honking for Joe when they started a pushing match for prime ground. Police separated everyone.
So the cult members claim its their corner and Biden people can't be there at anytime. Public space yet that is their insane mentality.
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/local/pbgardens/2020/09/24/trump-biden-supporters-clash-over-use-gardens-intersection/3491951001/
jaxexpat
(6,799 posts)And it still stinks of superciliosity and entitledness.
And I'll continue to create new words until this S--T stops, already! I mean it, don't try to stop me.
And I do get that it's a LOT better than "Trump 2020" signs.
LittleWoman
(259 posts)I have lived in UA for 42 years and the strong Republican base has been eroding over the years--I live in the southern end and our precinct voted for Obama and all of UA voted for Hillary. In our part of town we have more and more younger people with families as the older residents are moving out. I have to say however that we older residents are not all Republicans and have voted for Democrats for years some of us for our whole lives.
The ENOUGH signs are from an organization called Equal UA which was formed a couple of years ago after a "Karen" incident involving a high school teacher who happened to be black who was walking his dog in the area where he lived. You can get the rest of the story on their web page.
My husband and are retired and since March I have been walking every day that I can and I walk all over south UA and the adjoining suburbs of Grandview and Marble Cliff and the vast majority of the signs I see are for Biden and also a goodly number of Black Lives Matter signs. Needless to say my daily walks cheer me up. My daughter and her family live in the north part of UA however and she tells me there are more Trump sings up there so things are not all rosy. No matter where we live we all need to vote and make sure our friends and family vote as well.
Keep the Faith!
LisaL
(44,972 posts)I don't recall having that many Hillary signs in the area.
I think Biden is definitely doing better than Hillary in OH. Whether it's enough to win OH-we will have to wait to see.
SWBTATTReg
(22,065 posts)especially when you thought about it over 3 1/2 years ago, and now, it has so much meaning, so much crammed into one word, and everyone knows exactly what people are meaning when they see or hear the word 'ENOUGH'!
DeminPennswoods
(15,265 posts)PA, there are a good number of Biden/Harris yard signs. A new one even popped up in the time it took on my drive to and from food shopping. There's still a majority of Trump/R candidate yard signs, but it's been a pleasant surprise to see them in what is my very red area.
Sugarcoated
(7,716 posts)it took a while till we saw Trump signs, as it got very rural but there weren't as many as I thought there'd be, only spotted two Biden. Many more houses had no signs at all, my hunch is a lot of them are Biden voters or at least not Trump supporters any more.
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mdbl
(4,973 posts)Sounds like an oxymoron
lindysalsagal
(20,581 posts)It's gotta take alotta courage to put a biden sign in your front yard in ohio.
DeminPennswoods
(15,265 posts)filling my gas tank past homes that I was pretty sure would have Trump signs out. And there were, but the one Biden sign I saw was far bigger than anything the Trumpers had displayed. The homeower actually put what looked like 4x4 posts in the ground to hold up a huge Biden sign. I guess that was the homeowners big "FU" to the Trumper neighbors.