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Why is Joe lowering himself to debate this corrupt dictator...? (Original Post) pbmus Sep 2020 OP
Biden can easily shame trump in front of theentire world and why I have doubts that trump would even beachbumbob Sep 2020 #1
Yeah - I've got a feeling JustAnotherGen Sep 2020 #13
There is no way Trump will forgo any of the debates DonaldsRump Sep 2020 #37
Because Biden would look weak if he backed down. It plays to their accusation that he's mucifer Sep 2020 #2
Agreed customerserviceguy Sep 2020 #41
Because he wants to win the election? brooklynite Sep 2020 #3
Because he will pants Trump, steal his lunch money and stuff him in his locker, The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2020 #4
You forgot giving him a swirly. Grammy23 Sep 2020 #40
He HAS to debate him! redwitch Sep 2020 #5
He's doing it for us. vlyons Sep 2020 #6
Good question. Laelth Sep 2020 #7
Because it's the right thing to do?? Lowering himself? Presidential debates are Cousin Dupree Sep 2020 #8
So the cult JustAnotherGen Sep 2020 #9
Because it's a night and day, stark comparison when you hear someone intelligent, compassionate, and soothsayer Sep 2020 #10
To reveal him as a corrupt dictator to tens of millions of viewers, I'm hoping. Mister Ed Sep 2020 #11
For us. nolabear Sep 2020 #12
Because not to would give Republicans a lot of ammunition Sympthsical Sep 2020 #14
Yup JustAnotherGen Sep 2020 #16
Sounds like he's getting adequate rest, which is good. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2020 #22
Because he's a presidential candidate. LakeArenal Sep 2020 #15
Because he believes in Democracy and America. maxsolomon Sep 2020 #17
So you're attacking Biden for participating in a debate? BannonsLiver Sep 2020 #18
If there's one thing a Biden candidacy represents, it's the hope for a return to form. Aristus Sep 2020 #19
Never wrestle with a pig.... pbmus Sep 2020 #23
I don't want Joe Biden to wrestle that pig. Aristus Sep 2020 #26
Silly. nt USALiberal Sep 2020 #35
Along with a fact checker they need... lame54 Sep 2020 #20
What do you think the response would be if Biden refuses to debate IMPOTUS? mcar Sep 2020 #21
I'm sure Putin would be thrilled if Joe backed out of the debates. Maru Kitteh Sep 2020 #24
It will show Trump is an idiot? pwb Sep 2020 #25
Biden is the Democratic candidate... stillcool Sep 2020 #27
Because not debating him would make Biden look weak Trumpocalypse Sep 2020 #28
I think it makes Joe look complicit to legitimizing a corrupt dictator... pbmus Sep 2020 #30
No it doesn't Trumpocalypse Sep 2020 #32
Joe's going to work him over like a speedbag Blue Owl Sep 2020 #29
Really? Optics Matter to the Voting Public. How Would Biden Refusing to Debate Look? Indykatie Sep 2020 #31
Because he's lowered himself to running against him for president? Crunchy Frog Sep 2020 #33
Look at it as an opportunity. ooky Sep 2020 #34
if the Pelosi is trying to psyche Trump into thinking Biden is scared TheRealNorth Sep 2020 #36
A few reasons: LuckyCharms Sep 2020 #38
Here is how Joe should open debate Gothmog Sep 2020 #39
Joe already said he's looking forward to the debates. Talitha Sep 2020 #42
 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
1. Biden can easily shame trump in front of theentire world and why I have doubts that trump would even
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 01:07 PM
Sep 2020

show up.

JustAnotherGen

(31,810 posts)
13. Yeah - I've got a feeling
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 01:17 PM
Sep 2020

Trump WILL show up for next week's debate - but the other ones aren't happening. After this, Pence/Harris and done.

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
37. There is no way Trump will forgo any of the debates
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 02:23 PM
Sep 2020

It's free publicity, and he doesn't have enough cash to run tv ads in some key swing states.

mucifer

(23,530 posts)
2. Because Biden would look weak if he backed down. It plays to their accusation that he's
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 01:07 PM
Sep 2020

"demented" or whatever. Biden has to debate.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
4. Because he will pants Trump, steal his lunch money and stuff him in his locker,
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 01:10 PM
Sep 2020

and thereby demolish any further claims that he (Biden) has any cognitive problems.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
6. He's doing it for us.
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 01:11 PM
Sep 2020

No doubt Biden is still fuming about Trump calling our military losers and suckers. Still fuming about 200K + people dead from Covid. I'm looking forward to Biden tarring Trump with supreme moral failures.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
7. Good question.
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 01:11 PM
Sep 2020

What is there to debate, anyway? The Republican Party doesn’t even have a platform, so the issues aren’t even on the table. The choice, here, is clear, and it simply demeans Joe to appear on stage with an Orange ignoramus.



-Laelth

Cousin Dupree

(1,866 posts)
8. Because it's the right thing to do?? Lowering himself? Presidential debates are
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 01:12 PM
Sep 2020

“lowering yourself”???

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
10. Because it's a night and day, stark comparison when you hear someone intelligent, compassionate, and
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 01:15 PM
Sep 2020

..thoughtful next to that blathering, unkind, word-salad generator.

And that’s going to surprise some folks. They might just remember that they miss decency.

Mister Ed

(5,928 posts)
11. To reveal him as a corrupt dictator to tens of millions of viewers, I'm hoping.
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 01:15 PM
Sep 2020

Many of the viewers already get it. Many more never will. I want the rest to hear Joe take this guy apart. I still remember the way he did that to Paul Ryan in 2012.

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
12. For us.
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 01:17 PM
Sep 2020

People need to hear him. He needs to give policy replies and show his health and sharpness. He needs to stop 45 and ilk telling us who he is.

Sympthsical

(9,072 posts)
14. Because not to would give Republicans a lot of ammunition
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 01:18 PM
Sep 2020

One of their main lines of attack is Biden’s cognitive abilities. I don’t know if people here read conservative sites or blogs, but their biggest story is Biden’s campaign putting a lid on the campaign early in the day.

Putting a lid means the candidate is no longer available for activities or comments. Republicans have seized on this as proof of Biden’s cognitive decline, that he’s being hidden on purpose.

If he doesn’t debate, they will run with that even harder. They’ve been on it for weeks. Here’s one article from yesterday.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/517987-trump-says-biden-wants-to-rest-on-day-dedicated-to-debate-prep

Biden has to debate.

JustAnotherGen

(31,810 posts)
16. Yup
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 01:19 PM
Sep 2020

In a local woman's group -and the Trumpettes continue to push this nonsense. Let them see for themselves.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,848 posts)
22. Sounds like he's getting adequate rest, which is good.
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 01:29 PM
Sep 2020

It's long bothered me that the last few weeks of a Presidential campaign the candidates are flying all around the country, rarely getting even half a night's sleep. Being sleep deprived is very, very bad. Which is apparently one of Trump's problems, that he doesn't sleep much. That's probably why he is always so confused about everything.

maxsolomon

(33,310 posts)
17. Because he believes in Democracy and America.
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 01:19 PM
Sep 2020

As anyone who participated in HS Debate will tell you, these aren't debates. They're "debates".

An actual debate would leave Trump exposed as a fucking clown with no grasp of facts whatsoever. Which isn't news to anyone on DU, but it would be to the low-information bothsidist flibberdigibbets of America.

Aristus

(66,316 posts)
19. If there's one thing a Biden candidacy represents, it's the hope for a return to form.
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 01:23 PM
Sep 2020

Of normal standards of political behavior. Of respectable public proceedings.

If debating the walking sludge-heap that is Donald Trump is a part of that effort, so be it.

Trump will try to set the building on fire (figuratively. Literally? Possibly. Who knows?), but Joe Biden will attempt to bring American politics back to the realm of the adult, the measured, and the civil.

pbmus

(12,422 posts)
23. Never wrestle with a pig....
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 01:29 PM
Sep 2020

Never mud-wrestle with a pig.” “You’ll both get dirty, but the pig will enjoy it!” -Abraham Lincoln- (Or was it Thomas Jefferson?) (Maybe it was Richard Nixon?) (Anyhoo, SOMEONE said it.)

Aristus

(66,316 posts)
26. I don't want Joe Biden to wrestle that pig.
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 01:31 PM
Sep 2020

I want him to butcher it.

The pig definitely won't enjoy that.

But the rest of us get ham, bacon, and pork chops served up by a happily-grinning chef...









...okay, I took that metaphor way too far...…

Maru Kitteh

(28,339 posts)
24. I'm sure Putin would be thrilled if Joe backed out of the debates.
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 01:31 PM
Sep 2020

Joe wil debate because it would look monumentally fearful and weak not to.
Joe will debate because he is smarter than those who would see him put in that position, a gift to the enemy.

pwb

(11,261 posts)
25. It will show Trump is an idiot?
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 01:31 PM
Sep 2020

Plus that is the way it is, debates show us a lot about the candidates.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
27. Biden is the Democratic candidate...
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 01:38 PM
Sep 2020

Trump is the Republican candidate. They debate. Why would they not? Trump is not yet a dictator, he's the President. His candidacy is legitimate, just ask the GOP. The entire debate has not yet happened, so not a debacle either.

pbmus

(12,422 posts)
30. I think it makes Joe look complicit to legitimizing a corrupt dictator...
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 01:53 PM
Sep 2020

I do not want Joe to enter any arena that is another propaganda stunt for the repukers...this is not your old time debate scenarios where one guy meets another guys opinion/policy with another opposing opinion...this is the apprentice ramped up to warp speed...

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
32. No it doesn't
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 01:56 PM
Sep 2020

It would make him look like he’s afraid of Trump. Like it or not Trump is the nominee of the Republican Party. Biden has to debate him.

Indykatie

(3,696 posts)
31. Really? Optics Matter to the Voting Public. How Would Biden Refusing to Debate Look?
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 01:55 PM
Sep 2020

It would rankle me and I was a Biden supporter from the beginning.

Crunchy Frog

(26,579 posts)
33. Because he's lowered himself to running against him for president?
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 02:01 PM
Sep 2020
It is currently occupying the presidency, however illegitimately we may think. Biden doesn't have the luxury of pretending otherwise.

ooky

(8,922 posts)
34. Look at it as an opportunity.
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 02:08 PM
Sep 2020

A lot of people don't ever turn their TVs off of Fox News. Because of that, they have a false impression of the state of the country and what Trump has done as President. Many of them would be surprised to learn he has essentially done nothing in 4 years except sign a tax break for the rich and try to kill health care. Fox News spends a lot of time making up Trump accomplishments and hiding bad things. This debate is a rare opportunity that Fox News viewers will be seeing and hearing the same thing we are at the same time, and it could be eye opening for some. In that sense, it could be more of an opportunity for us to pick up some incremental support better than for them to. I'm not saying we will convert magats, they are too dug in to their cult to admit they are wrong. But there are some people who watch nothing but Fox News that are just ignorant and stupid about what's going on in the country because they think the propaganda they are getting is real news. They may be very surprised to hear for the first time that their social security is under attack.

TheRealNorth

(9,478 posts)
36. if the Pelosi is trying to psyche Trump into thinking Biden is scared
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 02:12 PM
Sep 2020

Then Bravo.

Not 100% sure its intended or not, but I think lowered expectations for Biden works in his favor. Plus, if Trump believes the spin, he may let his guard down.

LuckyCharms

(17,425 posts)
38. A few reasons:
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 02:32 PM
Sep 2020

1) Having Presidential debates follows traditional protocol.

2) If he did not debate Trump, the insane squatter would flood every advertising space with "Biden is a coward. He's afraid to debate me". This would create yet another distraction from the real issues that need to be addressed.

3) It's another chance for VP Biden to present his platform.

4) It's the perfect opportunity to show the stark contrast between insanity and calm, rational, fact-based leadership.

5) It's quite possible that he can make Trump lose his shit on live TV.

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