Four years ago today...

[Drunken Irishman]

Here were some key state polls:

Pennsylvania (Mercyhurst University): Hillary 42, Trump 41
Pennsylvania (Opinion Research): Hillary 45, Trump 44
Pennsylvania (Muhlenberg College): Hillary 40, Trump 38
Georgia (JMC Analytics): Trump 44, Hillary 38
Georgia (Quinnipiac): Trump 47, Hillary 40
Colorado (YouGov): Hillary 40, Trump 38
Colorado (Opinion Research): Trump 42, Hillary 41
Colorado (Quinnipiac): Hillary 44, Trump 42
Maine (U. of New Hampshire): Hillary 46, Trump 39
Minnesota (SurveyUSA): Hillary 46, Trump 39
Virginia (YouGov): Hillary 45, Trump 37
Virginia (Christopher Newport University): Hillary 39, Trump 33
Virginia (Quinnipiac): Hillary 45, Trump 39
Iowa (Loras College): Hillary 38, Trump 38
Iowa (Quinnipiac): Trump 44, Hillary 37
North Carolina (Meredith College): Hillary 38, Trump 35
North Carolina (High Point U.): Hillary 43, Trump 42
Florida (Suffolk University): Trump 45, Hillary 44
Wisconsin (Emerson): Hillary 45, Trump 38

What is the one thing that stands out to you about all these polls?

You know, beyond Hillary leading...

[MacKasey]

1. The number of undecided was large

And Hillary was not close to 50%

[MFGsunny]

7. This! n/t

[CaptYossarian]

2. 10 out of 19 are within the 3% margin of error with 1 tied.

[karynnj]

3. Unusually high undecided.

[Drunken Irishman]

5. Bingo. I think that was the thing that terrified me the most about 2016...

Hillary was just one minor shift with undecideds away from losing her grip on the election.

Eventually, with Comey's letter, that happened.

[karynnj]

9. Sane here

I also looked to see if any pollster that polled both the race and favorabilities had then looked at the race choices of people negative on both. They had all the data needed, but never tabulated that.

[yonder]

4. Using Hillary Clinton's first name and Donald Trumps second.

It should be Hillary and Donald or Clinton and Trump or their full names together. It looks like somebody's idea of casting disrespect onto Clinton by using casualness with her first name contrasted with the formality of a surname.

Framing 101. Fuckers.

[Drunken Irishman]

6. That was me.

[yonder]

10. No disrespect to yourself DI, or the point of your post but that is exactly what I expect

from the MSM when they try to push opinions one way or other, or more precisely, to their advantage. They spend a lot of resources doing just that. We can all be victims to insidious framing like that and I wonder if the form of the names you chose for your compilation could have even been an unintended, unknown result of that -- or more likely, just me overthinking things as I hopefully remain cautious and wary.

I looked all over your post for a source so I could say "aha, the bastards!". Instead, I'll just say it's a very serious game they play and they play for keeps. So for me, Kamala vs. Mike works but a Kamala vs. Pence is a flag just as a Joe vs. Trump would be.

[Laelth]

8. Biden is doing much better. n/t

-Laelth